The Frankish Reich Posted May 30 Posted May 30 5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I would try not to read anything into it. Juries can be unpredictable. Lots of counts, not all exactly the same (Trump didn't personally sign some of the checks), so not surprising. If it goes undecided through tomorrow, I gotta think Trump will be feeling better. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted May 31 Posted May 31 Like so many prior. The payoff wasn't the big crime, would have been a slap on the wrist . The attempt to cover it up, became the felonies . 1
BillStime Posted May 31 Author Posted May 31 Some things, like wine, age well. On 5/16/2024 at 6:53 PM, Doc said: No. And the prosecution hasn't proven it beyond a reasonable doubt despite being ready to rest their case. On 5/17/2024 at 12:59 PM, Pokebball said: We'll see if yours and Billsy's wrangling survives. It's looking like it might not even survive the kangaroo / banana court. It certainly won't an appeal. If you think there's a chance, you’re not following along. Others do not. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted May 31 Posted May 31 19 minutes ago, BillStime said: You are not a victim. You didn't catch the best bit, something something about you say it's sunny and it's raining ... (and then they prosecute you for perjury I guess) Hey, nobody gonna make you lie except yourself! What are you, Mike Flynn? 1
B-Man Posted May 31 Posted May 31 IMPLICATIONS OF CONVICTION The trial of Donald Trump on jerry-rigged charges produced the foreordained outcome. Trump was found guilty by a Manhattan jury of 34 felony charges. It couldn’t have been otherwise. This was a show trial. It would have been more efficient — it would have saved a day or two in show time — if Judge Merchan had simply directed a verdict of guilt and sent the jury home when the parties’ rested. It would not have been more unconstitutional than having the jury pick from Column A, Column B, or Column C for the “other crime” that was vital to the case. Instead Merchan let the prosecution run wild. He constrained the defense. He all but stripped Trump’s defense to the charge of federal election misconduct to which Michael Cohen had pleaded guilty. He gagged the defendant. He excluded evidence that might have helped the defendant, say with respect to the allegation of misconduct under federal election law. He crafted jury instructions that adopted the show-trial theory of the case. And the jury performed predictably under the circumstances. In this case its role was ministerial. The guilty verdict on each of the 34 charges was for show. {snip} The Democrats are guilty of every sin they attribute to Trump. Election interference — this is how it’s now to be done, with a strong dose of humiliation, a patina of legality, and the threat of incarceration. The threat produces an erotic effect on the Democrats and their media allies, but that is not the point. The point is to take down a political adversary. The point is the electoral effect — the point is political. The Democrats lack confidence in their ability to defeat Trump at the polls. The point of the rigged trial is the rigged election, and not in the “who’s voting” or “who’s counting the votes” departments, although there is that too. The intended audience of the show trial is the few voters who occupy the middle of the road and could go either way in November. If they move them to one or two or three percent to Biden, as seems plausible and even likely, that is the point. This is the Democrats’ objective in the medium term. Intelligent readers can draw a straight line to infer the long-term objective. Every metaphor descriptive of what is happening here falls short of the moment. “Crossing the Rubicon,” “sowing the wind,” and so on, have a remote and clichéd quality that fails to capture what the Democrats have done. In political terms, one might think of Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. But that is too remote as well. One has the sense that Democrats do not fully grasp what they have done. If the Democrats’ show-trial moves only enough voters to swing the election to Biden — a not implausible outcome that is what the case is all about — how can the outcome be acceptable to the many who understand what the Democrats have done. The show-trial bears seeds of alienation, discord, turnabout, and violence. That is the point buried in the clichéd metaphors. That is the implication of the conviction rendered in the show-trial. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/05/implications-of-conviction.php 1 1 1
Gene Frenkle Posted May 31 Posted May 31 2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: Well, he's political and potentially a prisoner. Maybe Joe found the phrase to be funny. Otherwise it's absurd. Law and order. Do the crime, do the time.
Gene Frenkle Posted May 31 Posted May 31 35 minutes ago, BillStime said: QFT. Bunch of whiney babies. George Lopez: fair trial! Kyle Rittenhouse: fair trial! Orange Jesus: civil war! Grow up. Bro paid off a pornstar and covered it up prior to an election he "won". Eff your feelings. 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted May 31 Posted May 31 2 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: Laughable question gets a sly grin. Discuss. At length. Way too much length. Just now, Gene Frenkle said: George Lopez: fair trial! Must have missed that one. didn't he get his wife's kidney and then dump her? If so, he sounds like Trump so I guess it fits
ChiGoose Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) Seems less than ideal… Trump supporters try to doxx jurors and post violent threats after his conviction “The posts, which have been reviewed by NBC News, appear on many of the same websites used by Trump supporters to organize for violence ahead of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. These forums were hotbeds of threats inspired by Trump’s lies about the 2020 election, which he lost, and that the voting system was “rigged” against him. They now feature new threats echoing Trump’s rhetoric and false claims about the hush money trial, including that the judicial system is now “rigged” against him. “Dox the Jurors. Dox them now,” one user wrote after Trump’s conviction on a website formerly known as “The Donald,” which was popular among participants in the Capitol attack. (That post appears to have been quickly removed by moderators.) “We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s--- is out of control.” “I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!” Edited May 31 by ChiGoose
reddogblitz Posted May 31 Posted May 31 (edited) 7 hours ago, BillStime said: Great quote from a politician. Does the same apply to OJ and Bill Cosby? Both obviously guilty but high priced lawyers got them off. What about all the innocent black people (really any race) that are sitting in jail for crimes they didn't commit? BLM tells us it happens a lot. Are you saying that's not true? Why are these people below the law Teddy? The OJ trial proved the system works. A rich black man can get off just like a rich white man. It's great that President Trump was found guilty. But please don't give us the no man is above or below the law BS when obviously it's not true. Edited May 31 by reddogblitz
Joe Ferguson forever Posted May 31 Posted May 31 4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Seems less than ideal… Trump supporters try to doxx jurors and post violent threats after his conviction “The posts, which have been reviewed by NBC News, appear on many of the same websites used by Trump supporters to organize for violence ahead of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. These forums were hotbeds of threats inspired by Trump’s lies about the 2020 election, which he lost, and that the voting system was “rigged” against him. They now feature new threats echoing Trump’s rhetoric and false claims about the hush money trial, including that the judicial system is now “rigged” against him. “Dox the Jurors. Dox them now,” one user wrote after Trump’s conviction on a website formerly known as “The Donald,” which was popular among participants in the Capitol attack. (That post appears to have been quickly removed by moderators.) “We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s--- is out of control.” “I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!” This is his base. Well represented here. 2
BillStime Posted May 31 Author Posted May 31 6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: OJ Jury acquitted 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Bill Cosby Jury found him guilty. He served nearly three years of a three- to 10-year sentence and then the conviction was overturned for pathetic reasons. 11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: What about all the innocent black people (really any race) that are sitting in jail for crimes they didn't commit? BLM tells us it happens a lot. Are you saying that's not true? Why are these people below the law Teddy? Innocent people should not be in jailed but juries are comprised of humans. Funny, in your speech - you didn’t say anything about Daniel Perry.
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