Doc Brown Posted Sunday at 06:11 AM Posted Sunday at 06:11 AM 8 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Rational in the sense of being understandable or logical from a policy perspective, not that I agree with it. I would see the training funded with savings from DOGE. If we get into a tariff war with China even under the most well thought out and targeted plan we'll still pry lose. I don't see his tariff policy so far as well thought out and strategic. China can inflict economic pain on their citizens with less repercussions than we can because it's a communist country. You're going to hear sob stories about how these China tariffs destroyed small businesses in the US within the next few weeks. Trump knows this and it's why he backed off the tariffs that would've made our technology gadgets we all enjoy more expensive. I'd love to see where the money saved from DOGE actually goes.
All_Pro_Bills Posted Sunday at 11:09 AM Posted Sunday at 11:09 AM (edited) 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If we get into a tariff war with China even under the most well thought out and targeted plan we'll still pry lose. I don't see his tariff policy so far as well thought out and strategic. China can inflict economic pain on their citizens with less repercussions than we can because it's a communist country. You're going to hear sob stories about how these China tariffs destroyed small businesses in the US within the next few weeks. Trump knows this and it's why he backed off the tariffs that would've made our technology gadgets we all enjoy more expensive. I'd love to see where the money saved from DOGE actually goes. 25+ years of US administrations and corporations supporting and enabling China's growth makes it difficult to summarize in a few sentences the threat all of that has created for America. But what is clear is our leadership has ignored those threats which leaves us vulnerable. It looks like the strategy is to take them on now, on our terms, rather than put it off to the point its on their terms. At the same time this threatens what some call globalist interests. What I simply say are multinational corporations. Simply, Trump needs to dismantle their world order which has supported China's growth. I believe Trump will be successful but not without a lot of pain. If you're paying attention you will know that China's economy is not is such great shape. I wouldn't be so sure hundreds of millions of suddenly unemployed and exploited Chinese workers pissed off at the CCP is going to be so easy to handle. Edited Sunday at 11:11 AM by All_Pro_Bills 1
The Frankish Reich Posted Sunday at 03:26 PM Author Posted Sunday at 03:26 PM Making it up as they go along. No strategy, no actual plan. What did you expect? 1
Taro T Posted Sunday at 03:35 PM Posted Sunday at 03:35 PM 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If we get into a tariff war with China even under the most well thought out and targeted plan we'll still pry lose. I don't see his tariff policy so far as well thought out and strategic. China can inflict economic pain on their citizens with less repercussions than we can because it's a communist country. You're going to hear sob stories about how these China tariffs destroyed small businesses in the US within the next few weeks. Trump knows this and it's why he backed off the tariffs that would've made our technology gadgets we all enjoy more expensive. I'd love to see where the money saved from DOGE actually goes. There's been a ~$2 TRILLION / year budget deficit for several years now. If the money "saved" from DoGE goes anywhere except towards reducing that, it ISN'T actually saved. Its being spent on something other than what it was originally going to get spent on. Realize that for political reasons they'll spend it in some manner to show that they're "saving" it. But if it goes ANYWHERE other than reducing the budget deficit it isn't actually getting saved. Expecting they'll show it as a reduction in taxes in some way; which, if the deficit doesn't increase will have been an actual saving as total federal expenditures (which is what taxes truly are; its just some of them are paid by us and some of them are paid by our grandchildren's children) will have necessarily decreased. But if total federal spending isn't decreased, then DoGE will have actually saved nothing. They'll have simply spent it on different things. Now, its possible that what they spend it on instead of what they were going to spend it on ends up making sense; though personally wouldn't have money on it. But that all needs to be in the next budget (or series of continuing resolutions as Congress hasn't done its job since 2007) and SHOULD be shown as lowered expenditures in the current fiscal year and nothing else in the current fiscal year. 1
Homelander Posted Sunday at 03:45 PM Posted Sunday at 03:45 PM Money saved from DOGE - because these geniuses will fall for anything with a meme and a rocket emoji.
The Frankish Reich Posted Sunday at 03:59 PM Author Posted Sunday at 03:59 PM 14 minutes ago, Homelander said: Money saved from DOGE - because these geniuses will fall for anything with a meme and a rocket emoji. You mean my trip to Mars?
Homelander Posted Sunday at 04:07 PM Posted Sunday at 04:07 PM 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: You mean my trip to Mars? Sure, you can go to Mars - esp if you’re into freezing temps, zero oxygen, constant radiation, no food, and farming salad in a glorified fish tank while slowly losing your mind. Sounds dreamy.
The Frankish Reich Posted Sunday at 04:17 PM Author Posted Sunday at 04:17 PM 9 minutes ago, Homelander said: Sure, you can go to Mars - esp if you’re into freezing temps, zero oxygen, constant radiation, no food, and farming salad in a glorified fish tank while slowly losing your mind. Sounds dreamy. Matt Damon figured it out for us. I think I can do it too. 1
Doc Brown Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM 6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: 25+ years of US administrations and corporations supporting and enabling China's growth makes it difficult to summarize in a few sentences the threat all of that has created for America. But what is clear is our leadership has ignored those threats which leaves us vulnerable. It looks like the strategy is to take them on now, on our terms, rather than put it off to the point its on their terms. At the same time this threatens what some call globalist interests. What I simply say are multinational corporations. Simply, Trump needs to dismantle their world order which has supported China's growth. I believe Trump will be successful but not without a lot of pain. If you're paying attention you will know that China's economy is not is such great shape. I wouldn't be so sure hundreds of millions of suddenly unemployed and exploited Chinese workers pissed off at the CCP is going to be so easy to handle. All true except the idea that Chinese workers will rise up against the CCP is laughable. You've got to go all the way back to Nixon but the Clinton Administration certainly exasperated the problems getting into bed economically with a Communist party. Also, when is our next election? When's China's? You see the problem with that I hope. 1 hour ago, Taro T said: There's been a ~$2 TRILLION / year budget deficit for several years now. If the money "saved" from DoGE goes anywhere except towards reducing that, it ISN'T actually saved. Its being spent on something other than what it was originally going to get spent on. Realize that for political reasons they'll spend it in some manner to show that they're "saving" it. But if it goes ANYWHERE other than reducing the budget deficit it isn't actually getting saved. Expecting they'll show it as a reduction in taxes in some way; which, if the deficit doesn't increase will have been an actual saving as total federal expenditures (which is what taxes truly are; its just some of them are paid by us and some of them are paid by our grandchildren's children) will have necessarily decreased. But if total federal spending isn't decreased, then DoGE will have actually saved nothing. They'll have simply spent it on different things. Now, its possible that what they spend it on instead of what they were going to spend it on ends up making sense; though personally wouldn't have money on it. But that all needs to be in the next budget (or series of continuing resolutions as Congress hasn't done its job since 2007) and SHOULD be shown as lowered expenditures in the current fiscal year and nothing else in the current fiscal year. You're way too cynical and accurate. We couldn't even get anywhere one entitlement reform as is a losing issue (see Paul Ryan) so don't expect Congress to ever actually work on reducing the deficit. Every American should just send the government a $1200 check if it means eliminating the tariffs. At least then small businesses won't be destroyed. 1 1
Andy1 Posted Sunday at 11:24 PM Posted Sunday at 11:24 PM No worries. The clown crew has this under control.
Doc Posted Sunday at 11:43 PM Posted Sunday at 11:43 PM 21 hours ago, Big Blitz said: College is an over priced waste. Keep subsidizing it for all - make the degrees as worthless as high school degrees. Since it’s such an overpriced waste - and bc of your newfound love of free trade - fully deregulate, eliminate the minimum wage, and cut all income taxes under 150 K. This is all self own CCPBill Yeah...but...things are totally different now... 1
Niagara Bill Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 18 hours ago, Doc Brown said: All true except the idea that Chinese workers will rise up against the CCP is laughable. You've got to go all the way back to Nixon but the Clinton Administration certainly exasperated the problems getting into bed economically with a Communist party. Also, when is our next election? When's China's? You see the problem with that I hope. You're way too cynical and accurate. We couldn't even get anywhere one entitlement reform as is a losing issue (see Paul Ryan) so don't expect Congress to ever actually work on reducing the deficit. Every American should just send the government a $1200 check if it means eliminating the tariffs. At least then small businesses won't be destroyed. Is it not just as bad to have a business relationship with Russia. That is on its way, oil.
The Frankish Reich Posted 10 hours ago Author Posted 10 hours ago https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-vietnam-sign-agreements-supply-chains-railway-cooperation-2025-04-14/ well that’s working out well….
B-Man Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Trump’s Long Game With Tariffs by Kenneth R. Timmerman Donald Trump is playing the long game with tariffs. His goal is to restore our industrial base by revolutionizing the way the United States trades with the rest of the world. We no longer make antibiotics, and import much of our steel, computer chips, and cars. We must even import titanium sponge--a key component for weapons systems--from producers in China, Russia, and Kazakhstan. [Snip] ...that’s what “liberation day” is all about. Do we see ourselves as slaves to distant masters who control our wealth and our destiny? Or as free men and women in charge of our own destiny? Freedom always has a cost. And it’s worth it. MORE at the link: https://www.frontpagemag.com/trumps-long-game-with-tariffs/ . 1
The Frankish Reich Posted 8 hours ago Author Posted 8 hours ago The whole thing is worth reading: https://www.molsonhart.com/blog/america-underestimates-the-difficulty-of-bringing-manufacturing-back Here's just one part about the American worker, a little reality check: Chinese manufacturing labor isn’t just cheaper. It’s better. In China, there are no people who are too fat to work. The workers don’t storm off midshift, never to return to their job. You don’t have people who insist on being paid in cash so that they can keep their disability payments, while they do acrobatics on the factory floor that the non-disabled workers cannot do. Chinese workers much less likely to physically attack each other and their manager. They don’t take 30 minute bathroom breaks on company time. They don’t often quit because their out-of-state mother of their children discovered their new job and now receives 60% of their wages as child support. They don’t disappear because they’ve gone on meth benders. And they don’t fall asleep on a box midshift because their pay from yesterday got converted into pills. And they can do their times tables. To manufacture, you need to be able to consistently and accurately multiply 7 times 9 and read in English, and a disturbingly large portion of the American workforce cannot do that. Think about that when we talk about moving high-tech manufacturing to a place like JD Vance's Ohio or Kentucky.
Roundybout Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: Beijing Bill hardest hit I assume you’ll be thanking Biden for the CHIPS Act funding that built the TSMC factory? Otherwise, it makes you look like a liar taking credit for other people’s work. Now that doesn’t sound like you, does it? https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2024/11/biden-harris-administration-announces-chips-incentives-award-tsmc
Big Blitz Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I assume you’ll be thanking Biden for the CHIPS Act funding that built the TSMC factory? Otherwise, it makes you look like a liar taking credit for other people’s work. Now that doesn’t sound like you, does it? https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2024/11/biden-harris-administration-announces-chips-incentives-award-tsmc Credit for what? What’s the accomplishment?
Roundybout Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 30 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Credit for what? What’s the accomplishment? “Production has also started for NVIDIA Blackwell Chips at the TSMC plant in Arizona”
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