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5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The problem with getting out is knowing when to get back in.  I think it was Buffet that said that.  Warren, not Jimmy.

timing when to get in and out isn't a proven strategy for most. But Trump ran on changing the world economic order. Then Trump got elected. You shouldn't have been surprised. Another tip for you, if you have Pfizer, I'd sell it.

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So now Trump has given tariff exemptions for tech and electronics from China. They have paid him off. I thought the tariffs were about bringing Apple factories back to America. The big bad wolf is looking like all bark and no bite after he realized his stupidity. He has painted himself into a corner and now must deliver great amazing trade deals to justify the self inflicted damage he has done to the economy. Other countries will be smart to be slow to give concessions, knowing he is under pressure to deliver something. 

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4 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

So now Trump has given tariff exemptions for tech and electronics from China. They have paid him off. I thought the tariffs were about bringing Apple factories back to America. The big bad wolf is looking like all bark and no bite after he realized his stupidity. He has painted himself into a corner and now must deliver great amazing trade deals to justify the self inflicted damage he has done to the economy. Other countries will be smart to be slow to give concessions, knowing he is under pressure to deliver something. 

 

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1 minute ago, Andy1 said:

So now Trump has given tariff exemptions for tech and electronics from China. They have paid him off. I thought the tariffs were about bringing Apple factories back to America. The big bad wolf is looking like all bark and no bite after he realized his stupidity. He has painted himself into a corner and now must deliver great amazing trade deals to justify the self inflicted damage he has done to the economy. Other countries will be smart to be slow to give concessions, knowing he is under pressure to deliver something. 


 

On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” Washington Post Intelligence Lead Global Security Analyst Josh Rogin said that President Donald Trump is correct that global trade hasn’t been fair to the United States, but his solution is completely wrong.

 

Host Bill Maher said, “I think I’m generally with the consensus, which is that this is some quixotic attempt to bring back an era in this country that is just gone with the wind, the manufacturing. But, I don’t know, I was shocked to see The…New York Times, their headline a week ago was, global trade robs U.S., Trump says, does he have a point?'”

 

Rogin responded, “Yeah. I think Trump has this amazing ability to correctly diagnose a problem and then to bungle the solution with a policy that’s totally incoherent and incompetent, and I think that’s what we’re seeing here.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/04/12/wapos-rogin-global-trade-is-unfair-to-u-s-trumps-solution-is-terrible/

 

 

 

 

Democrat solution:
 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, 4th&long said:

As flip-flopping Trump bows to China with iPhone exemptions, critics mock him: ‘Dumbest’ policy ever

 

https://flip.it/qZME pI

Whatever.  It's the right policy decision.  Still don't get his beef with Canada though.  It's never a good sign when I'm hearing Tasker say on a commercial get these cars before these idiotic tariffs kick in.

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1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:


 

On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” Washington Post Intelligence Lead Global Security Analyst Josh Rogin said that President Donald Trump is correct that global trade hasn’t been fair to the United States, but his solution is completely wrong.

 

Host Bill Maher said, “I think I’m generally with the consensus, which is that this is some quixotic attempt to bring back an era in this country that is just gone with the wind, the manufacturing. But, I don’t know, I was shocked to see The…New York Times, their headline a week ago was, global trade robs U.S., Trump says, does he have a point?'”

 

Rogin responded, “Yeah. I think Trump has this amazing ability to correctly diagnose a problem and then to bungle the solution with a policy that’s totally incoherent and incompetent, and I think that’s what we’re seeing here.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/04/12/wapos-rogin-global-trade-is-unfair-to-u-s-trumps-solution-is-terrible/

 

 

 

 

Democrat solution:
 

 

 

 

How arrogant does one have to be, to be the wealthiest nation in the history of the world and declare that global trade hasn’t been fair to America? Every other nation on the planet is like WTF? In other countries, children and young adults leave their families to go to work in factories making goods for America. They work in places with no OSHA or laws to protect them. They make this sacrifice to support their families living in poverty unlike anything in America. Do Americans think that other countries don’t also have problems adapting to changes caused by global trade? 
 

America has benefited the most from global trade. The entire economy of the world has been designed by and for the benefit of America. As our economy has developed and wages increased, corporations followed the rules of capitalism and moved to locations where labor and resources were cheaper to maximize their profits. Americans supprted that philosophy over and over again by choosing the cheaper foreign made products over the remaining Made in America alternative. America is still the #2 largest manufacturer in the world. Biden got the bipartisan CHIPS Act done which is a step in the right direction. Trump has repeatedly wanted to repeal that… for no logical reason. 

 

Now currently, the economic issue seems to be the struggles of young men without college degrees. A lot of them seem to think they deserve better. Women are succeeding more than ever before and are out competing men in many areas. If men are struggling, the answer is to buck up, get off the video games, and get training or education in a field that will pay well. If you have to move, then move. Make a career in the military. There are plenty of labor shortages in many sectors of our economy. Why does the only answer have to be a factory job artificially created by tariff taxes paid by Americans? 
 

Everyone is ignoring the service sector of the economy. We dominate the world in that department. There are huge labor shortages in this sector. The trade war has, and will, damage this sector of jobs. See: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/business/service-sector-trade-war-jobs-threat/index.html 

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44 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

How arrogant does one have to be, to be the wealthiest nation in the history of the world and declare that global trade hasn’t been fair to America? Every other nation on the planet is like WTF? In other countries, children and young adults leave their families to go to work in factories making goods for America. They work in places with no OSHA or laws to protect them. They make this sacrifice to support their families living in poverty unlike anything in America. Do Americans think that other countries don’t also have problems adapting to changes caused by global trade? 
 

America has benefited the most from global trade. The entire economy of the world has been designed by and for the benefit of America. As our economy has developed and wages increased, corporations followed the rules of capitalism and moved to locations where labor and resources were cheaper to maximize their profits. Americans supprted that philosophy over and over again by choosing the cheaper foreign made products over the remaining Made in America alternative. America is still the #2 largest manufacturer in the world. Biden got the bipartisan CHIPS Act done which is a step in the right direction. Trump has repeatedly wanted to repeal that… for no logical reason. 

 

Now currently, the economic issue seems to be the struggles of young men without college degrees. A lot of them seem to think they deserve better. Women are succeeding more than ever before and are out competing men in many areas. If men are struggling, the answer is to buck up, get off the video games, and get training or education in a field that will pay well. If you have to move, then move. Make a career in the military. There are plenty of labor shortages in many sectors of our economy. Why does the only answer have to be a factory job artificially created by tariff taxes paid by Americans? 
 

Everyone is ignoring the service sector of the economy. We dominate the world in that department. There are huge labor shortages in this sector. The trade war has, and will, damage this sector of jobs. See: https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11/business/service-sector-trade-war-jobs-threat/index.html 


 

 

College is an over priced waste.  
 

Keep subsidizing it for all - make the degrees as worthless as high school degrees.  
 

 

Since it’s such an overpriced waste - and bc of your newfound love of free trade - fully deregulate, eliminate the minimum wage, and cut all income taxes under 150 K.  

1 hour ago, Homelander said:

 

The self-owns are piling up.

 

 


 

This is all self own CCPBill

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

College is an over priced waste.  
 

Keep subsidizing it for all - make the degrees as worthless as high school degrees.  
 

 

Since it’s such an overpriced waste - and bc of your newfound love of free trade - fully deregulate, eliminate the minimum wage, and cut all income taxes under 150 K.  

Fine. No one forces anyone go to college. Go get a trades job then. They make good money too and are in short supply. Welders, plumbers, electricians etc are all needed. Those jobs are better than the factory jobs or coal jobs Trump wants your kids to work at. 

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3 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Fine. No one forces anyone go to college. Go get a trades job then. They make good money too and are in short supply. Welders, plumbers, electricians etc are all needed. Those jobs are better than the factory jobs or coal jobs Trump wants your kids to work at. 


 

Those aren’t the only manufacturing jobs.  
 

 

 

Had the pleasure of walking around Kohls this evening.  
 

WTF are 3 pairs of Nike socks made with slave labor $21?  
 

Free trade success stories.  

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4 hours ago, Pokebball said:

timing when to get in and out isn't a proven strategy for most. But Trump ran on changing the world economic order. Then Trump got elected. You shouldn't have been surprised. Another tip for you, if you have Pfizer, I'd sell it.

Once again, when do you get back in?  the moron can and will likely f things up worse.  I have Lily in that sector .  Dropped like a stone but still more than doubled. from when I bought.  He was a big fan of pfizer during the 2020 campaign and debate against Biden.  Why are u shorting pfizer?

44 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:


 

Those aren’t the only manufacturing jobs.  
 

 

 

Had the pleasure of walking around Kohls this evening.  
 

WTF are 3 pairs of Nike socks made with slave labor $21?  
 

Free trade success stories.  

um, your paying for the name.  buy hanes or whatever is cheaper but still decent quality.  Walmart is selling reebok for cheap if you want a brand name bargain. I wore an $8 pair of reebok pants to an opera performance tonight. lot's of masters players are wearing the brand.  have at it.  instant status😆

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3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:


 

On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” Washington Post Intelligence Lead Global Security Analyst Josh Rogin said that President Donald Trump is correct that global trade hasn’t been fair to the United States, but his solution is completely wrong.

 

Host Bill Maher said, “I think I’m generally with the consensus, which is that this is some quixotic attempt to bring back an era in this country that is just gone with the wind, the manufacturing. But, I don’t know, I was shocked to see The…New York Times, their headline a week ago was, global trade robs U.S., Trump says, does he have a point?'”

 

Rogin responded, “Yeah. I think Trump has this amazing ability to correctly diagnose a problem and then to bungle the solution with a policy that’s totally incoherent and incompetent, and I think that’s what we’re seeing here.

 

 

 

Democrat solution:
 

 

 

 

 

Actively try to bring about the worst case scenario, and characterizing ever possible thing in what worst possible outcome. 

 

They'd rather have the country die than admit Trump did anything right.  

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13 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Actively try to bring about the worst case scenario, and characterizing ever possible thing in what worst possible outcome. 

 

They'd rather have the country die than admit Trump did anything right.  

What is the goal of Trumps tariff policy? Be specific. 
You can’t determine if what he did was right unless you know the goal to achieve. 

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No one can answer my question above because there is no rational reason for his tariffs and no consistent reason explained by the administration.  


I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but a rational tariff policy would be to place 10% tariffs on China products and imported oil and use that revenue to pay tuition costs for education/training in high need job fields like nursing, doctors, medical specialists, electricians, welders, mechanics, plumbers, and subsidized child care. Those are areas of real need that would help Americans everywhere. Everyone could understand the reason. By the time we are in nursing homes, doctors will be replaced by us talking to a computer and they will have robots wiping our ass because there are no people in those jobs. 

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40 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

No one can answer my question above because there is no rational reason for his tariffs and no consistent reason explained by the administration.  


I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but a rational tariff policy would be to place 10% tariffs on China products and imported oil and use that revenue to pay tuition costs for education/training in high need job fields like nursing, doctors, medical specialists, electricians, welders, mechanics, plumbers, and subsidized child care. Those are areas of real need that would help Americans everywhere. Everyone could understand the reason. By the time we are in nursing homes, doctors will be replaced by us talking to a computer and they will have robots wiping our ass because there are no people in those jobs. 

That's why a 10% tariff policy isn't even rational.  It's just another tax on the consumer to subsidize the education/training jobs you referenced.  All of which will decided by a government that is filled with corruption and/or incompetence. 

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