Roundybout Posted March 4 Posted March 4 21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back. What are we negotiating?? 2
Buddy Hix Posted March 4 Posted March 4 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back. Trump has stated that he plans on using economic force to annex Canada. Why is this so hard to comprehend? This isn’t a negotiation, it’s the beginning of an attempted takeover. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 4 Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said: Trump has stated that he plans on using economic force to annex Canada. Why is this so hard to comprehend? This isn’t a negotiation, it’s the beginning of an attempted takeover. I don't think so. Make an outrageous ridiculous demand and then ask for something relatively more reasonable. Like your kid saying I'll be home tonight at 3 AM and you say hell no. And they say how about midnight? It's a negotiating tactic.
The Frankish Reich Posted March 10 Author Posted March 10 The Trump Slump. It’s on! He is so mentally fit that he imposes (then delays, then reimposes) an economic strategy that no economist other than weirdo old Peter Navarro agrees with. With totally predictable results. 4 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/4/2025 at 8:08 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back. Not if this guy has anything to do with it. I'll take his Economic chops over trump's any day. I'll bet he's never bankrupted a casino. I'm cheering for Canada here. Maybe he'll spank the old pig so hard that it precipitates some angina... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-canadian-prime-minister-s-five-word-warning-to-trump-amid-trade-war/ar-AA1AA6oe
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted March 10 Posted March 10 38 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Not if this guy has anything to do with it. I'll take his Economic chops over trump's any day. I'll bet he's never bankrupted a casino. I'm cheering for Canada here. Maybe he'll spank the old pig so hard that it precipitates some angina... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-canadian-prime-minister-s-five-word-warning-to-trump-amid-trade-war/ar-AA1AA6oe Good luck cheering for Canada. They need us more than we need them. 1
Mikie2times Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Stable economy or secure borders? Not that difficult a choice. 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted March 10 Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Stable economy or secure borders? Not that difficult a choice. Why bother asking why it has to be one or the other, right? 1
Mikie2times Posted March 10 Posted March 10 33 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Why bother asking why it has to be one or the other, right? For as bad as immigration was, for as bad as government spending was, for as bad as the liberal polices were, they had a degree of economic sanity. They wouldn't consider using something that is universally dismissed as a horrible idea by the leading economists in the world and doing so like its a children's game. This is all on Trump. This party is going to be removed in a landslide when the economy is upside down and nobody has work. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 10 Posted March 10 16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: For as bad as immigration was, for as bad as government spending was, for as bad as the liberal polices were, they had a degree of economic sanity. They wouldn't consider using something that is universally dismissed as a horrible idea by the leading economists in the world and doing so like its a children's game. This is all on Trump. This party is going to be removed in a landslide when the economy is upside down and nobody has work. Immigration isn't bad, though. It's what America is. Might as well scream about the wind being bad 1 1
SectionC3 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 3/4/2025 at 2:58 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I don't think so. Make an outrageous ridiculous demand and then ask for something relatively more reasonable. Like your kid saying I'll be home tonight at 3 AM and you say hell no. And they say how about midnight? It's a negotiating tactic. It's a pretty expensive tactic. Lots of gains lost. On 3/4/2025 at 8:30 AM, Roundybout said: What are we negotiating?? A pretty crappy presidency. Hopefully he plays golf and simply forgets to go to work.
Mikie2times Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Immigration isn't bad, though. It's what America is. Might as well scream about the wind being bad I never had a problem with immigration, I think it makes the country smarter and stronger. My lady is an immigrant. Super educated, just an incredible woman. But the dems never figured out a path that was logical or sustainable. Which sort of made it worse for those that tried to do it by the book. Ultimately it exposed them in the elections. Now we are paying the price for that mistake. 1
Doc Brown Posted March 11 Posted March 11 52 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I never had a problem with immigration, I think it makes the country smarter and stronger. My lady is an immigrant. Super educated, just an incredible woman. But the dems never figured out a path that was logical or sustainable. Which sort of made it worse for those that tried to do it by the book. Ultimately it exposed them in the elections. Now we are paying the price for that mistake. Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term.
SectionC3 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term. True. But let's not forget this is a mess of mutual making. Pent up demand, low supply, and free money from both Trump and Biden. I point this out not to play the blame game, but to stress that everyone is complicit in that mess. Now Trump is in charge, and it's his mess to clean up. Instead he golfs.
Andy1 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/10/ontario-canada-doug-for-electricity-surcharge/82221829007/ So Ontario is now implementing their 25% surcharge on electricity going to NY, MN and MI. I guess this is what winning looks like. I’m sure MAGA likes higher electricity bills.
Mikie2times Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term. I'm not buying this mess is on one political party. It is never that simple. We collectively led ourselves down this path. If you want to push more blame to one vs the other so be it, but it's just not that simple. Immigration was a clear rallying cry for his MAGA base and one of the main "honest" issues he ran on as far as things he could actually fix. Most peoples view of the economy is not how the stock market is performing. It's what they pay for normal things. These tariffs ensure normal things will be more expensive. Jerking around our supply chains with this on and off again approach will just lead to instability within an already proven bad concept. If this was the plan nothing he sold during the election regarding paying less for normal people will play out and to think that maybe it will sometime down the road is a good ways past optimism. These are just unintelligent moves, no way around it. He can do a lot of things to push his agenda but this was never going to benefit anybody (unless you think all the leading economists in the world are just liberal COVID fan boys) which sadly, is an agenda he has promoted as well. 1 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term. Immigration is VERY much tied to inflation, too. Trump has scared away many new immigrants, but those workers help keep prices down by taking jobs that are necessary. If goods and services can't be done because there is no one to do the job, that restricts supply and prices rise as a result. 1
Doc Posted March 11 Posted March 11 10 hours ago, Mikie2times said: I never had a problem with immigration, I think it makes the country smarter and stronger. My lady is an immigrant. Super educated, just an incredible woman. But the dems never figured out a path that was logical or sustainable. Which sort of made it worse for those that tried to do it by the book. Ultimately it exposed them in the elections. Now we are paying the price for that mistake. Few people have a problem with legal immigration. I'm the son of (legal) immigrants for FCOL. They just like to conflate legal with illegal. 3 hours ago, Andy1 said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/10/ontario-canada-doug-for-electricity-surcharge/82221829007/ So Ontario is now implementing their 25% surcharge on electricity going to NY, MN and MI. I guess this is what winning looks like. I’m sure MAGA likes higher electricity bills. If those people can choose their electric supplier like we can here in CT, Canada's gonna take a bath. 1
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