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This is what I got from our good AI friend: 

 

In general, yes, U.S. goods often face higher tariffs when exported to other countries compared to the tariffs the U.S. imposes on imports. This disparity is especially noticeable with key trading partners like the European Union, China, and India. Here’s a breakdown of why this happens:

1. Average Tariff Rates:

United States: The average applied tariff is around 2.4% for all goods, with many products entering duty-free due to trade agreements.

European Union: The average tariff is about 4.8%, but specific goods like U.S. cars face a 10% tariff, while EU cars entering the U.S. are taxed at only 2.5%.

China: Even after trade negotiations, China’s average tariff on U.S. goods remains around 7%–15%, significantly higher than what the U.S. imposes on Chinese goods.

India: India’s average tariff rate is much higher—often 10%–20% on many goods, with some products like motorcycles facing tariffs over 50%.

2. Industry-Specific Examples:

Automobiles:

U.S. imports from the EU: 2.5% tariff

EU imports from the U.S.: 10% tariff

China (before trade war): Up to 25% on U.S. cars (later reduced to 15% temporarily)

Agricultural Products:

U.S. exports face very high tariffs globally, often exceeding 20%, especially in countries protecting domestic agriculture.

3. Why the Disparity Exists:

Trade-Offs in Negotiations: The U.S. has historically prioritized access for services, technology, and financial sectors in trade deals, sometimes accepting higher tariffs on physical goods as part of the bargain.

Developing Country Status: Countries like China and India have claimed "developing nation" status under WTO rules, allowing them to maintain higher tariffs while benefiting from lower U.S. tariffs.

Non-Tariff Barriers: Even when tariffs are low, foreign regulatory requirements, quotas, and subsidies act as hidden barriers to U.S. exports.

Is This Like NATO or the Paris Agreement?

There’s a similar theme: the U.S. often bears a larger burden, whether financially or economically, in global agreements. In trade, though, the reasons are more about negotiation strategies and historical deals rather than other nations "free-riding."

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  On 2/3/2025 at 6:42 PM, YodaMan79 said:

Why do I have the feeling this could be like the Paris Climate Accords or NATO, where the United States is being taken for a free ride from a number of other developed nations that could carry their own weight.  

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  On 2/3/2025 at 6:48 PM, YodaMan79 said:

This is what I got from our good AI friend: 

 

In general, yes, U.S. goods often face higher tariffs when exported to other countries compared to the tariffs the U.S. imposes on imports. This disparity is especially noticeable with key trading partners like the European Union, China, and India. Here’s a breakdown of why this happens:

1. Average Tariff Rates:

United States: The average applied tariff is around 2.4% for all goods, with many products entering duty-free due to trade agreements.

European Union: The average tariff is about 4.8%, but specific goods like U.S. cars face a 10% tariff, while EU cars entering the U.S. are taxed at only 2.5%.

China: Even after trade negotiations, China’s average tariff on U.S. goods remains around 7%–15%, significantly higher than what the U.S. imposes on Chinese goods.

India: India’s average tariff rate is much higher—often 10%–20% on many goods, with some products like motorcycles facing tariffs over 50%.

2. Industry-Specific Examples:

Automobiles:

U.S. imports from the EU: 2.5% tariff

EU imports from the U.S.: 10% tariff

China (before trade war): Up to 25% on U.S. cars (later reduced to 15% temporarily)

Agricultural Products:

U.S. exports face very high tariffs globally, often exceeding 20%, especially in countries protecting domestic agriculture.

3. Why the Disparity Exists:

Trade-Offs in Negotiations: The U.S. has historically prioritized access for services, technology, and financial sectors in trade deals, sometimes accepting higher tariffs on physical goods as part of the bargain.

Developing Country Status: Countries like China and India have claimed "developing nation" status under WTO rules, allowing them to maintain higher tariffs while benefiting from lower U.S. tariffs.

Non-Tariff Barriers: Even when tariffs are low, foreign regulatory requirements, quotas, and subsidies act as hidden barriers to U.S. exports.

Is This Like NATO or the Paris Agreement?

There’s a similar theme: the U.S. often bears a larger burden, whether financially or economically, in global agreements. In trade, though, the reasons are more about negotiation strategies and historical deals rather than other nations "free-riding."

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And the verdict is?

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Not sure why all the kvetching over what happened with Mexico.  Trump got them to deploy 10,000 soldiers to the border, Mexico gets help with illegal arms trafficking and no tariffs for at least a month, while they see if the troops are doing their jobs (and with this Admin, they'll be allowed to).

 

Now Canada...

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  On 2/3/2025 at 6:57 PM, US Egg said:

 

And the verdict is?

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At first glance, it seems the U.S. often ends up on the short end of the stick as a trade partner. How this dynamic plays out with countries like Canada or Mexico is less clear, but the idea of China being classified as a "developing nation" is frankly absurd. Personally, I’d be willing to pay more for goods produced here, but there’s a segment of the population that will drive miles just to save a few cents on a gallon of gas. As a nation, we don’t always prioritize second-level thinking when it comes to these decisions.

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  On 2/3/2025 at 7:13 PM, aristocrat said:

Is the market at 0 yet? 

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No, because Trump blinked.

Markets open down almost 2%, suddenly a promise of 10,000 troops at the border (see my link above, it was 15,000 troops the last time around) with nothing really enforceable is sufficient to "delay" the 25% tariff

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  On 2/3/2025 at 7:05 PM, Doc said:

Not sure why all the kvetching over what happened with Mexico.  Trump got them to deploy 10,000 soldiers to the border, Mexico gets help with illegal arms trafficking and no tariffs for at least a month, while they see if the troops are doing their jobs (and with this Admin, they'll be allowed to).

 

Now Canada...

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Are these the troops that the cartel paid off? The same ones that deployed under Biden? You guys fall for everything. 

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  On 2/3/2025 at 4:17 PM, Motorin' said:

 

There's roughly 18 million "poor whites" of voting age. Trump received 77 million votes... This is your cope...

 

 

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Nope.  I talked about people who can't invest and live paycheck to paycheck.  That's more than 1/2 of Americans with a similar distribution of race to the overall population.  So, many more than 18 million.  your definition of poor is the poverty line which for a family of 4 represents a household income of less than 30k.  you truly believe only those meeting that criteria are poor?  At any rate, it's easy to find data on voters by race and income level.  poor white overwhelmingly voted for trump - many more than  18 mil which is way too many.  He's not going to help them and will likely take away or cut down many of their govt safety nets.  look at the solid red states:  W Virginia, Mississippi, Tenn, Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky etc.  Full of poor whites.  dumb f's

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/banking/living-paycheck-to-paycheck-statistics-2024/

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  On 2/3/2025 at 7:18 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

No, because Trump blinked.

Markets open down almost 2%, suddenly a promise of 10,000 troops at the border (see my link above, it was 15,000 troops the last time around) with nothing really enforceable is sufficient to "delay" the 25% tariff

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Did he blink?

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It’s not my intention to be hurtful to those that sh*t themselves this morning but the Dow is in positive territory at 2:30pm. 
 

PSA for those that react to snapshots - it will change by 4pm. Nobody knows which direction it will go. 

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  On 2/3/2025 at 7:26 PM, 4th&long said:

Are these the troops that the cartel paid off? The same ones that deployed under Biden? You guys fall for everything. 

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We'll have a month to find that out.  And again, what was lost?  Your avocados will still be cheap.

 

  On 2/3/2025 at 7:33 PM, JDHillFan said:

It’s not my intention to be hurtful to those that sh*t themselves this morning but the Dow is in positive territory at 2:30pm. 
 

PSA for those that react to snapshots - it will change by 4pm. Nobody knows which direction it will go. 

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You mean the market can go up after going down?  

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  On 2/3/2025 at 7:43 PM, Doc said:

 

We'll have a month to find that out.  And again, what was lost?  Your avocados will still be cheap.

 

 

You mean the market can go up after going down?  

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You like to oversimplifiy things. I don't care about Avocado's, I hardly ever eat them. Trump caved quick. We all know he is an idiot.

 

Ontario canceled a$68 million contract with Starlink. Now that's funny. Stores in Canada are throwing out Alchol from America, not even selling their stock.  

 

I will not be spending any money that I don't need to while trump is in office. 

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  On 2/3/2025 at 6:42 PM, YodaMan79 said:

I would just like to see from a non-bias source what these other countries are doing to our goods, from a tariff perspective (before this most recent round took effect).  Are our goods being held to a different tax standard as to what we're receiving?  I know in the auto industry, vehicles made here are taxed at such a high rate it makes zero sense to buy an American made vehicle in some foreign countries.  Why do I have the feeling this could be like the Paris Climate Accords or NATO, where the United States is being taken for a free ride from a number of other developed nations that could carry their own weight.  

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Look it up then 

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The Fentenayl claim is complete trash, just more political theater. He cares nothing at all for poor rural hillbilly junkies 

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers.

 

And migrants are not the ones carrying it

 

 

An NPR-Ipsos poll last week found that 39 percent of Americans and 60 percent of Republicans believe, “Most of the fentanyl entering the U.S. is smuggled in by unauthorized migrants crossing the border illegally.” A more accurate summary is that fentanyl is overwhelmingly smuggled by U.S. citizens almost entirely for U.S. citizen consumers.

Here are facts:

Fentanyl smuggling is ultimately funded by U.S. consumers who pay for illicit opioids: nearly 99 percent of whom are U.S. citizens.

In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.

Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.

The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them.

Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.

The government exacerbated the problem by banning most legal cross border traffic in 2020 and 2021, accelerating a switch to fentanyl (the easiest-to-conceal drug).

During the travel restrictions, fentanyl seizures at ports quadrupled from fiscal year 2019 to 2021. Fentanyl went from a third of combined heroin and fentanyl seizures to over 90 percent.

Annual deaths from fentanyl nearly doubled from 2019 to 2021 after the government banned most travel (and asylum).

It is monstrous that tens of thousands of people are dying unnecessarily every year from fentanyl. But banning asylum and limiting travel backfired. Reducing deaths requires figuring out the cause, not jumping to blame a group that is not responsible. Instead of attacking immigrants, policymakers should focus on effective solutions that help people at risk of a fentanyl overdose.

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43 pounds of Fentanyl seized at the northern border in 2024

 

Over 21,000 pounds seized at the southern border.  Trump is again talking about making Canada the 51st state.  Spare me the bull ***** t! 

 

He caved quick on Mexico,  Mexico knew what to offer trump, Trump would have made any deal with Mexico.  You ass hats feel for it again. 

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