Trump​ ❤️ Tariffs

[BillsFanNC]

Has Roundy or any of the hair on fire useful idiots actually read the EO?

 

Therein you will find it stated in plain English as to why the US is imposing these tariffs.

 

Don't agree?  Fine

 

But stop pretending the reason hasn't been explicitly stated.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

there sure seemed to be some posters complaining about the plight of the working class before the election.  I don't agree with the conclusions about capital gains taxes here but the premises are correct.  You'd think someone as highly placed as you would appreciate the benefits of lower capital gains taxes...also, there are taxable required distributions of assets in retirement.  Limiting taxes on these distributions is major function of financial advisors in retirement.  perhaps you should avail yourself of one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2025/01/23/president-trump-cut-the-capital-gains-tax/

 

I hope he does lower capital gains taxes.  And I have a financial adviser. 

[B-Man]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

I hope he does lower capital gains taxes.  And I have a financial adviser. 

good.  So you know that retirement income can be highly taxed.  so why take offense with this:  ""not for the "working man".  we told you so.  "This is redistribution of wealth and not towards the "working class".  Your extra $800/yr costs thru these taxes will pay for my tax breaks""?   Do you care about the working class?  Do you care that that $800 will be recouped by us but not them?  Do you feel that promising to financially improve their lives was honest?

 

we're seeing active redistribution of wealth purposefully amed at taking wealth from them and giving to what tommy eyerolls calls "the investor class".  you good with that?

Just now, B-Man said:

 

more winning for you personally.  does it make you feel virile?  richer?  macho?

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

cOMmUNisM iS aBoOT eCoNoMiCs!!!!!

 

      - Roundy 

 

    

 

 

This doesn't even make sense lmfao 

 

Let's say, hypothetically, that the CCP was somehow controlling Canada. How does a 25% tariff help solve this?

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/its-reasonable-call-trudeau-modern-day-socialist

 

Read it. Thoughts: 

 

1) This does not accuse Trudeau of being a communist anywhere

2) The article can't even define "socialist." It states that " This new form of socialism is still evolving" which feels to me like moving the goalposts. 

3) Nothing Trudeau does can be defined as "Marxist" 

4) We ban stuff all the time. This doesn't make us socialist. We repaired the hole in the ozone by banning specific kinds of propellant in hair spray. Does this make us socialist?

[Buddy Hix]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

The main point is that Democrats f****d up so bad over the past 4 years that Trump can come in and flood the zone, including start tariff wars, and most people are just like “ok, whatever”.

 

Yall can screech about it on social media all you want… its not breaking through.

 

Maybe if it drags out and people really feel it, we’ll see… but right now my view is the prevailing view… meh, whatever. 
 

Maybe your party should think about not being a nonsense-obsessed clown factory and we can have a real substance based discussion one day. 

This is the type of lunacy that has gripped America, and there is no turning back for people that are this brainwashed.

 

Trump has started an economic war with Canada without justification. Trump used an IEEPA trigger with ludicrous reasoning. The part that should alarm Americans, but which won’t get through to the brainwashed masses, is that rule of law is not on Trump’s side…but the rule of law will not stand up to Trump, the other branches of US government that should stand up to Trump will not. Trump had broken the US framework and the majority of its citizens are too incompetent to realize it.

 

Declaring war on an ally and openly floating the idea of annexation, while brainwashed citizens respond with “meh…Democrats suck”, should alarm the world. 

 

[Doc]

28 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

good.  So you know that retirement income can be highly taxed.  so why take offense with this:  ""not for the "working man".  we told you so.  "This is redistribution of wealth and not towards the "working class".  Your extra $800/yr costs thru these taxes will pay for my tax breaks""?   Do you care about the working class?  Do you care that that $800 will be recouped by us but not them?  Do you feel that promising to financially improve their lives was honest?

 

we're seeing active redistribution of wealth purposefully amed at taking wealth from them and giving to what tommy eyerolls calls "the investor class".  you good with that?

more winning for you personally.  does it make you feel virile?  richer?  macho?

I figured the “working man” was a pejorative.  As for the $800 increase, I sincerely believe they are/will be trying to get energy prices down and fix supply chains to reduce prices, that will offset that.  But I hope that a compromise on tariffs/trade is reached quickly. I don’t like to see it.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

This is the type of lunacy that has gripped America, and there is no turning back for people that are this brainwashed.

 

Trump has started an economic war with Canada without justification. Trump used an IEEPA trigger with ludicrous reasoning. The part that should alarm Americans, but which won’t get through to the brainwashed masses, is that rule of law is not on Trump’s side…but the rule of law will not stand up to Trump, the other branches of US government that should stand up to Trump will not. Trump had broken the US framework and the majority of its citizens are too incompetent to realize it.

 

Declaring war on an ally and openly floating the idea of annexation, while brainwashed citizens respond with “meh…Democrats suck”, should alarm the world. 

 

Oh no!  Don’t alarm the world!! Anything but that!!

 

You mean the world that was on fire during the last administration?

 

The world that slowly has powerful nations slowly aligning against us.

 

Further, they are aligning more and more with China..   Silk Road expansion.  BRICS nations broadening. 
 

What ever would we do if the USA took steps to be a country with strong borders that manufactures goods and medicine at home. 
 

Wont someone think of the war mongerers and globalists!?

 

Edited Sunday at 04:54 PM by SCBills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

17 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

This is the type of lunacy that has gripped America, and there is no turning back for people that are this brainwashed.

 

Trump has started an economic war with Canada without justification. Trump used an IEEPA trigger with ludicrous reasoning. The part that should alarm Americans, but which won’t get through to the brainwashed masses, is that rule of law is not on Trump’s side…but the rule of law will not stand up to Trump, the other branches of US government that should stand up to Trump will not. Trump had broken the US framework and the majority of its citizens are too incompetent to realize it.

 

Declaring war on an ally and openly floating the idea of annexation, while brainwashed citizens respond with “meh…Democrats suck”, should alarm the world. 

 

Well said.  Stick around and help make this place more sane.  The only thing I don't fully agree on is the brainwashed part.  I think it's less that than stupidity and wishful, magical thinking.  That's how fascist states have usually arisen.

[JDHillFan]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Thanks! Rebuttal:

 

 

These are the folks you referred to as an “economic think tank” earlier this week. That was funny. Made you look like a dumbass. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

Has Roundy or any of the hair on fire useful idiots actually read the EO?

 

Therein you will find it stated in plain English as to why the US is imposing these tariffs.

 

Don't agree?  Fine

 

But stop pretending the reason hasn't been explicitly stated.

how bout you summarize it in words the average maga high school dropout voter can understand...

[Roundybout]

23 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Oh no!  Don’t alarm the world!! Anything but that!!

 

You mean the world that was on fire during the last administration?

 

The world that slowly has powerful nations slowly aligning against us.

 

Further, they are aligning more and more with China..   Silk Road expansion.  BRICS nations broadening. 
 

What ever would we do if the USA took steps to be a country with strong borders that manufactures goods and medicine at home. 
 

Wont someone think of the war mongerers and globalists!?

 

 

If this is true, then why on earth are we slashing all forms of American soft power and influence such as USAID? Come on! I'm so sick of this hypocrisy and half-assed explanations for terrible policies! 

15 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

These are the folks you referred to as an “economic think tank” earlier this week. That was funny. Made you look like a dumbass. 

 

Well I thought I'd try language that even you can understand. 

[B-Man]

 

 

TARIFFS ARE ONLY STUPID AND DESTRUCTIVE WHEN AMERICA IMPOSES THEM.

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

What's an extra 30 cents per gallon for gas?  I'm sure all the maga's complaining about inflation under Biden will be thrilled!  Can you imagine their reaction if that happened under Biden (with no tangible benefits directly to them)?  But I hope he keeps it up.  In 2 years, will get congress back.

 

Energy products from Canada will have only a 10% duty, but Mexican energy imports will be charged the full 25%, the officials told reporters.

Trump had initially planned a 25% tariff on all goods from Canada and Mexico but cut the Canadian oil tariff in an effort to ease the impact on energy prices, the officials said.

The developments are set to upend a symbiotic oil trade between the U.S. and its neighbors: Many U.S. refineries are geared to churn the type of heavy and medium crude oil grades Canada produces, for example, and Canada’s oil output exceeds its current demand.

“Someone is going to get kind of hurt here,” Wells Fargo Investment Institute’s John LaForge told Reuters.

“The oil in Alberta doesn’t have much of an option where it goes, and the refiners in the Midwest don’t have much of an option on where they get the feedstock,” he said.

 

The U.S. imports some 4 million barrels per day of Canadian oil, 70% of which is processed by refiners in the Midwest. It also imports over 450,000 bpd of Mexican oil, mainly for refiners concentrated around the U.S. Gulf Coast.

Edited Sunday at 05:32 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[JDHillFan]

18 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Well I thought I'd try language that even you can understand. 

Seems like it would’ve been easier just to describe them the way they describe themselves. The need to exaggerate it seems weird.

[Roundybout]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

TARIFFS ARE ONLY STUPID AND DESTRUCTIVE WHEN AMERICA IMPOSES THEM.

 

 

 

 

BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT BUT WHAT ABOUT 

 

[Motorin']

31 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

how bout you summarize it in words the average maga high school dropout voter can understand...

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

yup.  good summary of you entire political ideology.  are you happy yet?

[Roundybout]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

44 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

TARIFFS ARE ONLY STUPID AND DESTRUCTIVE WHEN AMERICA IMPOSES THEM.

 

 

 

Hey, I'm all for it! Let's be the New Norway. Sounds pretty nice!!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model#:~:text=The Nordic model has been,overall ease of doing business.