Trump​ ❤️ Tariffs

[Niagara Bill]

On 3/24/2025 at 1:21 PM, Pokebball said:

So we can only pick one?

Prior to Nafta there was a deal called the autopac to balance production and sales of vehicles between Canada and US. If 10% of sales were in Canada,  10% of vehicles by dollar must be built in Canada.

Then Nafta which gave Mexico  the advantage as quotas disappeared because vehicles were becoming too costly as a result of the hold on companies by unions in US and Canada. Wages in Mexico dropped prices and increased big 3 profits. Other industries followed. Canada lost more jobs proportionate to US.

Then trump signed Nafta #2 USMCA, now he violates it. If nothing else he proves to be untrustworthy. 

Factories will return to US, Canadians will buy 3only Canadian and Japanese and Korean and Euro cars. US will lose 10% of sales opportunities between the countries, unions will have control, costs will quickly rise. 

By 2030 US produced vehicles will cost 20% more without tariffs and sales will be 10% less in NA, and 50% less in the rest of the world.

We have been here before. The wheel is being reinvented. 

Reagan got it. Trump does not. This is not real-estate. 

 

 

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Westside said:

You want to keep losing good paying jobs to third world countries? You have no clue what you’re talking about.

 

 

 

 

You mean like this?

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, Westside said:

You want to keep losing good paying jobs to third world countries? You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Losing jobs that robots do, that are largely unskilled, that if we created will pay 4x more because of the unions (remember, you guys don't like those). While the rest of us absorb the cost. That is the absolute best case scenario. By all means, educate me on how this will work if I'm missing something.    

[Niagara Bill]

8 minutes ago, Westside said:

You want to keep losing good paying jobs to third world countries? You have no clue what you’re talking about.

What 3rd world countries?

Why did auto companies go to Mexico for, costs! Unions priced America out of the world. Technology was lacking. You would still be driving rear wheeled Edsels if the world had not been allowed in.

Only 3rd world countries need tariffs to protect themselves. 

This is a manufactured investment situation. The bubble will break in 5 or 6 years. It has happened before. 

The US lost the steel industry because of antiquated technology, low profits due to labor costs, unions domination, stagnation. They could not compete. 

Trump is creating a false economy. But so be it. 

[The Frankish Reich]

43 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

What 3rd world countries?

Why did auto companies go to Mexico for, costs! Unions priced America out of the world. Technology was lacking. You would still be driving rear wheeled Edsels if the world had not been allowed in.

Only 3rd world countries need tariffs to protect themselves. 

This is a manufactured investment situation. The bubble will break in 5 or 6 years. It has happened before. 

The US lost the steel industry because of antiquated technology, low profits due to labor costs, unions domination, stagnation. They could not compete. 

Trump is creating a false economy. But so be it. 

I'm old enough to remember when NAFTA looked - at least with respect to Canada - like the beginnings of an EU style open border. This would have been a major move forward. Free flow of business and people. A new future. A freer and more efficient one.

Then 9/11 happened. And the uncontrolled U.S.-Mexico (yes, the fault of the U.S., starting bigly with Bush 43 and amplifying every administration since) followed. And now we've retrogressed to a U.S.-Canada situation far worse than the one I grew up with as a kid in Buffalo.

 

Think about the express policy now: we will levy high tariffs on Canadian goods to encourage manufacturers to move production south of the border. Oh, but meanwhile we will seek to annex Canada as the 51st state, meaning that we are seeking to impoverish that new state. It is so ridiculously incoherent that it could only come from the mind of Donald J. Trump.

 

Elect a clown, expect a circus.

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Prior to Nafta there was a deal called the autopac to balance production and sales of vehicles between Canada and US. If 10% of sales were in Canada,  10% of vehicles by dollar must be built in Canada.

Then Nafta which gave Mexico  the advantage as quotas disappeared because vehicles were becoming too costly as a result of the hold on companies by unions in US and Canada. Wages in Mexico dropped prices and increased big 3 profits. Other industries followed. Canada lost more jobs proportionate to US.

Then trump signed Nafta #2 USMCA, now he violates it. If nothing else he proves to be untrustworthy. 

Factories will return to US, Canadians will buy 3only Canadian and Japanese and Korean and Euro cars. US will lose 10% of sales opportunities between the countries, unions will have control, costs will quickly rise. 

By 2030 US produced vehicles will cost 20% more without tariffs and sales will be 10% less in NA, and 50% less in the rest of the world.

We have been here before. The wheel is being reinvented. 

Reagan got it. Trump does not. This is not real-estate. 

 

 

I'm not defending anything or anyone, rather pointing out that everything that factors in needs to be considered. Autopac was meant to, and did, favor Canada. Autopac replaced tariffs and moved automobile manufacturing to Canada. To this day, Canada has continued to tariff US goods. It isn't one or the other, it's all of the above. Much has changed in the 60 yrs since autopac. Things are much more nuanced then you are suggesting.

[Andy1]

There is no logic inside of Trumps brain. He likes tariffs because it’s a power move he can do to make himself feel powerful because he constantly needs to feed his feeble ego.
 

America is not about old school manufacturing relying only upon ourselves for everything we use. America is about creating new technology, industries, stuff in every field that has never been done before. That’s why the best and brightest in the world have always wanted to do their thing here, until now. Funding for research at all levels has been cut. He wants to kill the CHIPS act for microchip manufacturing. Immigrants are not welcomed. Those innovators are now moving to other countries. Trump wants to take America back. The result will be our competitors moving ahead. 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

I'm not defending anything or anyone, rather pointing out that everything that factors in needs to be considered. Autopac was meant to, and did, favor Canada. Autopac replaced tariffs and moved automobile manufacturing to Canada. To this day, Canada has continued to tariff US goods. It isn't one or the other, it's all of the above. Much has changed in the 60 yrs since autopac. Things are much more nuanced then you are suggesting.

What goods are tariffed coming into Canada? Don't say dairy because trump is lying. Tariffs into Canada and US are identical. They kick in at a certain level, which has never been reached, in either country.

The Autopac was a balance. To sell into Cansda you had to build...sound familiar.

The only nuance, is trump. Mexico took many jobs of both US and Canada. It was money.

 

[Doc]

5 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

That’s the best you have?  All of that HCQ must have fried your brain worse than I thought.  

 

I wasn't sure why you were defending a first-time poster who is calling Josh "average" and his MVP award an "embarrassment."  Proving he/she is an idiot.

[Niagara Bill]

Trump is dancing around the pile of money US citizens are going to pay. He says 600,000m to 1b. 

[Buddy Hix]

Threaten to annex your ally using economic force. Institute tariffs by illegally claiming a National Emergency caused by fentanyl which your own data shows is untrue, thereby following through with the economic force threat. All while your ally has been abiding by a free trade agreement that you took credit for creating.

 

Now further threatening an ally because they are forced to accept that they can no longer do business with you because of your tariffs.

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/trump-says-larger-tariffs-could-be-imposed-on-canada-eu-if-they-cause-us-economic-harm/
 

This is completely unhinged behaviour, and MAGAts just lap it up.

 

The kicker, Trump pushed for removal of  sanctions on Russian potash…so he’s openly helping Putin. 
 

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/us-russia-fertilizer-disturbing
 

Wake the ***** up people.

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, Andy1 said:

There is no logic inside of Trumps brain. He likes tariffs because it’s a power move he can do to make himself feel powerful because he constantly needs to feed his feeble ego.
 

America is not about old school manufacturing relying only upon ourselves for everything we use. America is about creating new technology, industries, stuff in every field that has never been done before. That’s why the best and brightest in the world have always wanted to do their thing here, until now. Funding for research at all levels has been cut. He wants to kill the CHIPS act for microchip manufacturing. Immigrants are not welcomed. Those innovators are now moving to other countries. Trump wants to take America back. The result will be our competitors moving ahead. 

Excellent post. Couldn't agree more. 

[Albwan]

This is the new image that pops into my head every time a dumb trump hater posts on this site...

 

 

 

 

 

You should go get a pillow with Joe Biden on it and bite and cry into it.

You will get farther doing that than posting to anyone here.

Edited Thursday at 05:38 PM by Albwan

[ScotSHO]

2 hours ago, Albwan said:

This is the new image that pops into my head every time a dumb trump hater posts on this site...

 

 

 

 

 

You should go get a pillow with Joe Biden on it and bite and cry into it.

You will get farther doing that than posting to anyone here.

 

She's hot.

[Doc Brown]

Used cars will at least go up in value?  Wish I never voted for the guy and I can't believe he has this much power when it comes to implementing tariffs. 

[Pokebball]

4 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

What goods are tariffed coming into Canada? Don't say dairy because trump is lying. Tariffs into Canada and US are identical. They kick in at a certain level, which has never been reached, in either country.

The Autopac was a balance. To sell into Cansda you had to build...sound familiar.

The only nuance, is trump. Mexico took many jobs of both US and Canada. It was money.

 

Here's a valuable link to see all of the duties, tarriffs, etc.

https://www.crossbordershopping.ca/duty-tax-import-guide/canada-customs-duty-rates-tariffs-and-taxes

 

and yes, autopac was a balance, in canada's favor. I'm not sure how you can argue that???

[Roundybout]

43 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Used cars will at least go up in value?  Wish I never voted for the guy and I can't believe he has this much power when it comes to implementing tariffs. 

A good discussion point. The executive office should not have this much power to inflict economic harm without going through Congress. 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Roundybout said:

A good discussion point. The executive office should not have this much power to inflict economic harm without going through Congress. 

No.  It shouldn't.  The same Republicans that rightfully accused Biden of executive overreach in forgiving student loans are now silent because of self preservation.

[Niagara Bill]

48 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Here's a valuable link to see all of the duties, tarriffs, etc.

https://www.crossbordershopping.ca/duty-tax-import-guide/canada-customs-duty-rates-tariffs-and-taxes

 

and yes, autopac was a balance, in canada's favor. I'm not sure how you can argue that???

It was not in Canada favor, but was negotiated into NAFTA in the favor of US and Mexico. The US has much higher sales of goods into Canada, which creates US jobs. The balance for Canada is Oil and NG, which creates few jobs and the US needs it. More jobs from Canada went to Mexico than US jobs. It was US companies who set up duty free zones in Mexico. 

Today trump threatened my country if we try and mitigate the tariffs he placed on us (and more to come in April.) if we get together and expand our business he will punush us. Now that is a trustworthy business man. Now there is a classless #######. So we are suppose to sit here and take his *****. 

For all I care the US can turn into Cuba and join with his buddy Putin. 

 

Canadians will stop buying anything from the US, screw him. Screw your gutless politicians, screw your gutless business leaders.

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Used cars will at least go up in value?  Wish I never voted for the guy and I can't believe he has this much power when it comes to implementing tariffs. 

Used cars will definitely go up.  and repairing older cars will be more expensive.  I heard an industry analyst saying many middle class people will be priced out of the new car market and that automakers may stop making current sub $30k cars because they'll be out of reach.  There is also less profit margin.  What a mess.