Mikie2times Posted yesterday at 11:37 AM Posted yesterday at 11:37 AM 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term. I'm not buying this mess is on one political party. It is never that simple. We collectively led ourselves down this path. If you want to push more blame to one vs the other so be it, but it's just not that simple. Immigration was a clear rallying cry for his MAGA base and one of the main "honest" issues he ran on as far as things he could actually fix. Most peoples view of the economy is not how the stock market is performing. It's what they pay for normal things. These tariffs ensure normal things will be more expensive. Jerking around our supply chains with this on and off again approach will just lead to instability within an already proven bad concept. If this was the plan nothing he sold during the election regarding paying less for normal people will play out and to think that maybe it will sometime down the road is a good ways past optimism. These are just unintelligent moves, no way around it. He can do a lot of things to push his agenda but this was never going to benefit anybody (unless you think all the leading economists in the world are just liberal COVID fan boys) which sadly, is an agenda he has promoted as well. 1 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term. Immigration is VERY much tied to inflation, too. Trump has scared away many new immigrants, but those workers help keep prices down by taking jobs that are necessary. If goods and services can't be done because there is no one to do the job, that restricts supply and prices rise as a result. 1
Doc Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 10 hours ago, Mikie2times said: I never had a problem with immigration, I think it makes the country smarter and stronger. My lady is an immigrant. Super educated, just an incredible woman. But the dems never figured out a path that was logical or sustainable. Which sort of made it worse for those that tried to do it by the book. Ultimately it exposed them in the elections. Now we are paying the price for that mistake. Few people have a problem with legal immigration. I'm the son of (legal) immigrants for FCOL. They just like to conflate legal with illegal. 3 hours ago, Andy1 said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/10/ontario-canada-doug-for-electricity-surcharge/82221829007/ So Ontario is now implementing their 25% surcharge on electricity going to NY, MN and MI. I guess this is what winning looks like. I’m sure MAGA likes higher electricity bills. If those people can choose their electric supplier like we can here in CT, Canada's gonna take a bath. 1
Roundybout Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Few people have a problem with legal immigration. I'm the son of (legal) immigrants for FCOL. They just like to conflate legal with illegal. If those people can choose their electric supplier like we can here in CT, Canada's gonna take a bath. Says increasingly nervous man 1
Doc Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Says increasingly nervous man LOL! Over what? 1
The Frankish Reich Posted 19 hours ago Author Posted 19 hours ago Now it’s a 50% tariff on Canadian steel and aluminum. You may have played poker with this guy, the guy whose go-to is always the bluff. It stops working after the third or fourth time … 1
yall Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago I wish he'd shut the ***** up. Every time he opens his yap he's costing me money. 1
Roundybout Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! Over what? In four weeks, the stock market has lost every gain it has made over six months! 1 1 1
Doc Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 55 minutes ago, Roundybout said: In four weeks, the stock market has lost every gain it has made over six months! Why would I be nervous? I'm not selling anything. In fact I just might take advantage of the downturn. 2 1
Doc Brown Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 5 hours ago, SectionC3 said: True. But let's not forget this is a mess of mutual making. Pent up demand, low supply, and free money from both Trump and Biden. I point this out not to play the blame game, but to stress that everyone is complicit in that mess. Now Trump is in charge, and it's his mess to clean up. Instead he golfs. I wish all he did was golf. 2 1
Buddy Hix Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago On 1/30/2025 at 5:55 PM, Tommy Callahan said: The goal is to stop or slow fentanyl distribution. Mexico isn't going to do it as the cartel pu the current Marxist in power. Money talks. Guess you were wrong, lol 1
Andy1 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago Trump still refuses to give a plausible reason for why tariffs are necessary on Canada and Mexico. Anyone who believes the fentanyl story is a fool. He is accusing Canada of ripping us off when they are following the trade agreement he negotiated. No serious economist supports this approach to economic policy. After the election, he claimed the economy was doing so well because he won the election. Now the 4 trillion $ lost is because of the terrible economy he got from Biden. The fact is he inherited a great economy from Biden and is now steering us towards a recession. Personally, I think the orange idiot is just a sick psychopath who enjoys seeing other people suffer. Make them feel pain then enjoy the moment when they beg for relief through the actions only he can do. He enjoys seeing business CEOs suffer as they face massive disruption from the tariffs. He likes taking their phone calls as they beg for relief. He also just doesn’t give a F about the financial damage to the retirement accounts of regular Americans. This is why tariffs are on on Tuesdays, off on Thursdays, then back on Fridays.
Buddy Hix Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Trump still refuses to give a plausible reason for why tariffs are necessary on Canada and Mexico. Anyone who believes the fentanyl story is a fool. He is accusing Canada of ripping us off when they are following the trade agreement he negotiated. No serious economist supports this approach to economic policy. After the election, he claimed the economy was doing so well because he won the election. Now the 4 trillion $ lost is because of the terrible economy he got from Biden. The fact is he inherited a great economy from Biden and is now steering us towards a recession. Personally, I think the orange idiot is just a sick psychopath who enjoys seeing other people suffer. Make them feel pain then enjoy the moment when they beg for relief through the actions only he can do. He enjoys seeing business CEOs suffer as they face massive disruption from the tariffs. He likes taking their phone calls as they beg for relief. He also just doesn’t give a F about the financial damage to the retirement accounts of regular Americans. This is why tariffs are on on Tuesdays, off on Thursdays, then back on Fridays. Trump’s economic policy this term is to implement tariffs as a way to pay for his massive tax cuts for the wealthy. If enough damage is inflicted on Canada, the opportunity to annex us is just gravy. In theory it’s possible the clumsy implementation won’t matter and the plan will benefit the US over time. But if the plan fails, the US will have burned every bridge and their economy will take years to recover. Here’s a good article basically saying the plan isn’t supported by many economists, and that Trump’s first foray into tariffs during his first term were a failure. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20myx1erl6o.amp Maybe this time it’ll work, maybe not.
Andy1 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 24 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Trump’s economic policy this term is to implement tariffs as a way to pay for his massive tax cuts for the wealthy. Could be. That is the popular speculation. But I don’t think he cares about paying for the tax cut. In his first term, he had no problem ballooning the federal deficit. He doesn’t care about paying the bills for his actions. The idiot had no problems running his businesses into bankruptcy multiple times. There will be no consequences to him if he does his tax cut without paying for it. Watching other millionaires and billionaires squirm is much more fun for him.
Andy1 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Homelander said: Your 2025 Republican Party And are any of those Republicans concerned about paying for the Trump tax cuts for their corporate buddies? I don’t think so. And do any of them think tariffs are good for their constituents? I don’t think so. They are just compliant sheep doing whatever the orange idiot wants.
Tommy Callahan Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Level tariffs or actual free trade with Canada would be nice. The left likes to ignore the current tariffs that both Canada and Mexico have on us products and industry. When the actual gdp shrunk for two quarters in a row under Biden. The left said it's not a recession. Everything. Is fine. Same with the month labor reports that showed manufacturing and higher paying jobs going overseas along with the constant increase in state jobs. Everything in the private sector was fine. Now they are going nuts and screaming about the stock market. That's not the economy and was being propped up by federal and state massive spending.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 34 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: Level tariffs or actual free trade with Canada would be nice. The left likes to ignore the current tariffs that both Canada and Mexico have on us products and industry. When the actual gdp shrunk for two quarters in a row under Biden. The left said it's not a recession. Everything. Is fine. Same with the month labor reports that showed manufacturing and higher paying jobs going overseas along with the constant increase in state jobs. Everything in the private sector was fine. Now they are going nuts and screaming about the stock market. That's not the economy and was being propped up by federal and state massive spending. Oh brother
SectionC3 Posted 28 minutes ago Posted 28 minutes ago 9 hours ago, Andy1 said: Trump still refuses to give a plausible reason for why tariffs are necessary on Canada and Mexico. Anyone who believes the fentanyl story is a fool. He is accusing Canada of ripping us off when they are following the trade agreement he negotiated. No serious economist supports this approach to economic policy. After the election, he claimed the economy was doing so well because he won the election. Now the 4 trillion $ lost is because of the terrible economy he got from Biden. The fact is he inherited a great economy from Biden and is now steering us towards a recession. Personally, I think the orange idiot is just a sick psychopath who enjoys seeing other people suffer. Make them feel pain then enjoy the moment when they beg for relief through the actions only he can do. He enjoys seeing business CEOs suffer as they face massive disruption from the tariffs. He likes taking their phone calls as they beg for relief. He also just doesn’t give a F about the financial damage to the retirement accounts of regular Americans. This is why tariffs are on on Tuesdays, off on Thursdays, then back on Fridays. He can't give us what he doesn't have. This bozo decided, for whatever reason, that it was a good idea. HIs followers lap it up. History tells us that it won't work. (Which is why it hasn't been tried since, like, before the Great Depression.) 1 hour ago, Tommy Callahan said: Level tariffs or actual free trade with Canada would be nice. The left likes to ignore the current tariffs that both Canada and Mexico have on us products and industry. When the actual gdp shrunk for two quarters in a row under Biden. The left said it's not a recession. Everything. Is fine. Same with the month labor reports that showed manufacturing and higher paying jobs going overseas along with the constant increase in state jobs. Everything in the private sector was fine. Now they are going nuts and screaming about the stock market. That's not the economy and was being propped up by federal and state massive spending. Looks like Trump the master negotiator should have taken his chance to deal with that in 2018.
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