Niagara Bill Posted March 4 Posted March 4 Canada is playing this wrong. Trump's tariffs hurt Americans and Canada. Canada should not put tariffs on. Canada must just stop buying US products. No cars, no food, no plastics, nothing...The world has these products, China can make them, Europe has them, Mexico has them, South America has them. Canada should place a premium on fertilizers fir US farmers, on beef, on wood, on steel, on aluminum over and above the tariffs. China needs our resources, Europe needs them, uranium is needed in Europe and South America. Canada must understand, we are not dealing with the same country we had a relationship with for 150 years. We are dealing with a giant friend of Putin. We are dealing with a country who is under going a revolution, not just an economic revolution. 1
joshypoo Posted March 4 Posted March 4 Cisco, Juniper, HPE, and Fortinet all announcing 15-25% price hikes effective immediately. This will be a major problem as all of these will be passed through to the consumer. Trump better already have shovels in dirt if he’s expecting any of these companies to move production to the U.S., it would take at minimum 18mos for a facility to be up and running, let along the hiring process.
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 4 Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Canada is playing this wrong. Trump's tariffs hurt Americans and Canada. Canada should not put tariffs on. Canada must just stop buying US products. No cars, no food, no plastics, nothing...The world has these products, China can make them, Europe has them, Mexico has them, South America has them. Canada should place a premium on fertilizers fir US farmers, on beef, on wood, on steel, on aluminum over and above the tariffs. China needs our resources, Europe needs them, uranium is needed in Europe and South America. Canada must understand, we are not dealing with the same country we had a relationship with for 150 years. We are dealing with a giant friend of Putin. We are dealing with a country who is under going a revolution, not just an economic revolution. These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back.
Roundybout Posted March 4 Posted March 4 21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back. What are we negotiating?? 2
Buddy Hix Posted March 4 Posted March 4 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back. Trump has stated that he plans on using economic force to annex Canada. Why is this so hard to comprehend? This isn’t a negotiation, it’s the beginning of an attempted takeover. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 4 Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said: Trump has stated that he plans on using economic force to annex Canada. Why is this so hard to comprehend? This isn’t a negotiation, it’s the beginning of an attempted takeover. I don't think so. Make an outrageous ridiculous demand and then ask for something relatively more reasonable. Like your kid saying I'll be home tonight at 3 AM and you say hell no. And they say how about midnight? It's a negotiating tactic.
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 03:43 PM Author Posted yesterday at 03:43 PM The Trump Slump. It’s on! He is so mentally fit that he imposes (then delays, then reimposes) an economic strategy that no economist other than weirdo old Peter Navarro agrees with. With totally predictable results. 4 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted yesterday at 05:40 PM Posted yesterday at 05:40 PM On 3/4/2025 at 8:08 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: These tariffs are merely a negotiating tactic used with the intent of bringing other parties to the table. Most likely, in a week or two the issues both real and perceived will be resolved. And all parties will kiss and make up. If the US wanted to take a "kill shot" at Canada or Mexico they would impose economic sanctions which would make it impossible for those countries to execute financial transactions in US dollars, freeze the assets of the Bank of Canada and the central bank of Mexico in custody at the NY Federal Reserve, and impose penalties and sanctions or fines on US and foreign companies doing business with Canada and Mexico. If you're an investor interested in Canadian stocks like oil producers Suncor and Canadian Natural Resources, or fertilizer producer Nutrien, or uranium producer Cameco to name some names, these tariffs and the obligatory stock market panic (its institutional investors here) should be viewed as a one-time gift. Share prices have taken a hit and anyone with a time horizon greater than 3 days might want to buy small lots of 25 or 50 shares to start in these companies. When the tariffs are removed they'll bounce right back. Not if this guy has anything to do with it. I'll take his Economic chops over trump's any day. I'll bet he's never bankrupted a casino. I'm cheering for Canada here. Maybe he'll spank the old pig so hard that it precipitates some angina... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-canadian-prime-minister-s-five-word-warning-to-trump-amid-trade-war/ar-AA1AA6oe
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM Posted yesterday at 06:19 PM 38 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Not if this guy has anything to do with it. I'll take his Economic chops over trump's any day. I'll bet he's never bankrupted a casino. I'm cheering for Canada here. Maybe he'll spank the old pig so hard that it precipitates some angina... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-canadian-prime-minister-s-five-word-warning-to-trump-amid-trade-war/ar-AA1AA6oe Good luck cheering for Canada. They need us more than we need them. 1
Mikie2times Posted yesterday at 06:31 PM Posted yesterday at 06:31 PM Stable economy or secure borders? Not that difficult a choice. 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted yesterday at 06:34 PM Posted yesterday at 06:34 PM 3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Stable economy or secure borders? Not that difficult a choice. Why bother asking why it has to be one or the other, right? 1
Mikie2times Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Why bother asking why it has to be one or the other, right? For as bad as immigration was, for as bad as government spending was, for as bad as the liberal polices were, they had a degree of economic sanity. They wouldn't consider using something that is universally dismissed as a horrible idea by the leading economists in the world and doing so like its a children's game. This is all on Trump. This party is going to be removed in a landslide when the economy is upside down and nobody has work. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: For as bad as immigration was, for as bad as government spending was, for as bad as the liberal polices were, they had a degree of economic sanity. They wouldn't consider using something that is universally dismissed as a horrible idea by the leading economists in the world and doing so like its a children's game. This is all on Trump. This party is going to be removed in a landslide when the economy is upside down and nobody has work. Immigration isn't bad, though. It's what America is. Might as well scream about the wind being bad 1 1
SectionC3 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago On 3/4/2025 at 2:58 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: I don't think so. Make an outrageous ridiculous demand and then ask for something relatively more reasonable. Like your kid saying I'll be home tonight at 3 AM and you say hell no. And they say how about midnight? It's a negotiating tactic. It's a pretty expensive tactic. Lots of gains lost. On 3/4/2025 at 8:30 AM, Roundybout said: What are we negotiating?? A pretty crappy presidency. Hopefully he plays golf and simply forgets to go to work.
Mikie2times Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 8 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Immigration isn't bad, though. It's what America is. Might as well scream about the wind being bad I never had a problem with immigration, I think it makes the country smarter and stronger. My lady is an immigrant. Super educated, just an incredible woman. But the dems never figured out a path that was logical or sustainable. Which sort of made it worse for those that tried to do it by the book. Ultimately it exposed them in the elections. Now we are paying the price for that mistake. 1
Doc Brown Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 52 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I never had a problem with immigration, I think it makes the country smarter and stronger. My lady is an immigrant. Super educated, just an incredible woman. But the dems never figured out a path that was logical or sustainable. Which sort of made it worse for those that tried to do it by the book. Ultimately it exposed them in the elections. Now we are paying the price for that mistake. Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term.
SectionC3 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Inflation is really hard to battle politically. It was coming anyways but Dems added fuel to the fire by pumping trillions of dollars into an economy that couldn't keep up with the jump in demand. You could just feel it every time you went grocery shopping. That's why they lost (not immigration) despite the stock market being near record levels. If Trump stops looking at the stock market to alter his trade policies then we're screwed. It's what kept him in check his first term. True. But let's not forget this is a mess of mutual making. Pent up demand, low supply, and free money from both Trump and Biden. I point this out not to play the blame game, but to stress that everyone is complicit in that mess. Now Trump is in charge, and it's his mess to clean up. Instead he golfs.
Andy1 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/10/ontario-canada-doug-for-electricity-surcharge/82221829007/ So Ontario is now implementing their 25% surcharge on electricity going to NY, MN and MI. I guess this is what winning looks like. I’m sure MAGA likes higher electricity bills.
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