ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 17 Posted March 17 The future of the NFL is no running backs… we need to get ahead of the game. 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, FireChans said: BTW, if Singletary had put up 1,500 rushing here, even on 4.2 YPC, and had 1,800 total YFS, no one would have been upset. ... except for you maybe. Except he...... didn't. Ever. If I was a bus, we could all go for a ride. In other news, when he had 12 or more carries in Houston, the Texans went 7-1. When he had 58 or more yards they were 6-1. Wow, that's impressive. In 2022, when Singletary had 12 or more carries in Buffalo, the Bills went 7-1. When he had 58 or more yards, they were 5-0. You have discovered that teams that are winning football games run a lot. That's true. And just BTW, in games where he had 16 or more carries, he averaged 4.5 YPC. Wow again. I'm really cooked here. Oh wait, when Singletary had 12 or more carries in Buffalo, he averaged 4.88 YPC. When he had 16 or more carries, he averaged 5.9 YPC. Oops. The point all along is that on a per-game basis where he (or Moss for that matter) have been the bell cow RB, they've both performed better elsewhere, with lesser QBs, in one case much lesser, in the other, a rookie. Hard to be more wrong here. By every measure you put out, (except projection where you didn't even show your work for your fake number), Singletary was clearly better in Buffalo last year. You lose. Say uncle. You're hilarious. OK, let's simply end this then by stating that despite only having 10 starts in Houston, contrasted with 56 starts here, his three biggest games rushing yardage wise were among those 10 in Houston, four of is five biggest games carries wise were also among his 10 in Houston, that it's all purely coincidence. Quote
FireChans Posted March 17 Posted March 17 45 minutes ago, PBF81 said: You're hilarious. OK, let's simply end this then by stating that despite only having 10 starts in Houston, contrasted with 56 starts here, his three biggest games rushing yardage wise were among those 10 in Houston, four of is five biggest games carries wise were also among his 10 in Houston, that it's all purely coincidence. A very cool stat. He got the ball more in Houston and was less efficient than he was in Buffalo and scored less touchdowns and had less yards from scrimmage. You’re right, he crushed it. Of course, Josh also threw the almost 70 times more than CJ did comparing 2022 to 2023. Josh also rushed almost 90 more times than CJ. And we had James Cook who had 90 carries to Pierces’ 145, and well-eclipsed Pierce on yardage. Gee, I wonder why Devin got more carries in Houston. But hey, I know you’re big on playoff performance. So let’s talk playoffs. Singletary in Buffalo 2022 postseason. 4.6 YPC, 5.2 yards per touch in 2 games Singletary in Houston 2023 postseason. 4.0 YPC, 4.7 yards per touch in 2 games. What’s the difference? It’S gOtTa Be CoAcHiNg! Say uncle. 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted March 18 Posted March 18 15 hours ago, FireChans said: A very cool stat. He got the ball more in Houston and was less efficient than he was in Buffalo and scored less touchdowns and had less yards from scrimmage. You’re right, he crushed it. Of course, Josh also threw the almost 70 times more than CJ did comparing 2022 to 2023. Josh also rushed almost 90 more times than CJ. And we had James Cook who had 90 carries to Pierces’ 145, and well-eclipsed Pierce on yardage. Gee, I wonder why Devin got more carries in Houston. But hey, I know you’re big on playoff performance. So let’s talk playoffs. Singletary in Buffalo 2022 postseason. 4.6 YPC, 5.2 yards per touch in 2 games Singletary in Houston 2023 postseason. 4.0 YPC, 4.7 yards per touch in 2 games. What’s the difference? It’S gOtTa Be CoAcHiNg! Say uncle. Seriously? I can't take your analyses seriously anymore, sorry, your so incredibly dishonest in them. BTW, he averaged over 5 YPC against Cleveland, with one TD. He struggled against Baltimore, maybe you can figure out why that may have been. Then again, maybe not given your work here. Should we discuss that here he played with Allen, while there he played with a rookie? LOL, nah, irrelevant I'm sure. Honestly ... You can't even have an honest discussion without having an emotional tantrum that over the bottom that coaching may have something to do with it. LOL Quote
Mat68 Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Simple depending on how the draft falls might walk away with good value on day 3. If so sign a UDFA and or cheap vet. If a back is not drafted sign a vet after the draft. Pretty simple. Still not a overwhelming room should be in position to sign a pretty highly rated UDFA. Quote
Beast Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Does the NFL even use running backs anymore? I’m least worried about this position. Cook, Johnson and a rook. Fine with me. Quote
FireChans Posted March 18 Posted March 18 51 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Seriously? I can't take your analyses seriously anymore, sorry, your so incredibly dishonest in them. BTW, he averaged over 5 YPC against Cleveland, with one TD. He struggled against Baltimore, maybe you can figure out why that may have been. Then again, maybe not given your work here. Should we discuss that here he played with Allen, while there he played with a rookie? LOL, nah, irrelevant I'm sure. Honestly ... You can't even have an honest discussion without having an emotional tantrum that over the bottom that coaching may have something to do with it. LOL Oh, he played with a rookie? Oh, he played against Baltimore? Those sound suspiciously like reasons why he wasn’t better than he was in Buffalo. Say it. U-N-C-L-E Quote
KentuckyBillsFan Posted March 18 Posted March 18 43 minutes ago, Beast said: Does the NFL even use running backs anymore? I’m least worried about this position. Cook, Johnson and a rook. Fine with me. You don't think Pacheco and McCaffrey weren't two major reasons their teams were in the Super Bowl? Obviously it's not the most important position but it still has value.. especially in the playoffs when teams need to be able to win in multiple ways. 2 Quote
DJB Posted March 18 Posted March 18 This isn’t the year to invest high draft capital into the RB position given the weak class , we lack a 3rd and we have so many other needs . That being said we should still use a late round pick on a guy and keep trying to build the RB room. Im also not a believer that Cook is as good as everyone says he is. He’s not a workhorse 3 down stud. I think he’s a product of Josh our system and light boxes . I can only imagine what a guy like CMC would do for us in the same situation. Thankfully next year is an extremely deep RB class and we should know for sure how we are with Cook after this season and whether we need to invest big capital again Quote
Augie Posted March 18 Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, KentuckyBillsFan said: You don't think Pacheco and McCaffrey weren't two major reasons their teams were in the Super Bowl? Obviously it's not the most important position but it still has value.. especially in the playoffs when teams need to be able to win in multiple ways. Interesting that you chose those two players, as it says a little something about RB’s in today’s NFL. McCaffrey was the 8th pick in the draft so much was expected, while Pacheco was taken in the 7th round. You can get a really good RB in late rounds if you know what you are doing and get a little lucky. I’d have no problem with taking a RB (or even a QB) with one of those late round picks. Quote
Beast Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 hour ago, KentuckyBillsFan said: You don't think Pacheco and McCaffrey weren't two major reasons their teams were in the Super Bowl? Obviously it's not the most important position but it still has value.. especially in the playoffs when teams need to be able to win in multiple ways. Who were the 3rd running backs for KC and SF and tell me how they contributed. That’s what we are talking about here. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18 Posted March 18 I'd try to grab Alexander Mattison for very very cheap. He has proven he can play, but can't be the main guy. He would be perfect in that Murray role and is still young. he was also released, so no comp pick impact. I also happen to really like Ty Johnson. 1 Quote
KentuckyBillsFan Posted March 18 Posted March 18 10 minutes ago, Beast said: Who were the 3rd running backs for KC and SF and tell me how they contributed. That’s what we are talking about here. That's not what you said. "Does the NFL even use running backs anymore?" Quote
Mat68 Posted March 18 Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I'd try to grab Alexander Mattison for very very cheap. He has proven he can play, but can't be the main guy. He would be perfect in that Murray role and is still young. he was also released, so no comp pick impact. I also happen to really like Ty Johnson. Yuck. Very underwhelming. Poor efficiency. Rather draft a guy late vs Mattison. Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18 Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Yuck. Very underwhelming. Poor efficiency. Rather draft a guy late vs Mattison. Yeah I mean I would look at him as a role player the way he was a couple of years ago. You just need a guy to get like 300-400 yards and 5-7 TDs which is what he was and he was very efficient at that job. In terms of being full time starter, he was not very good. IMO a guy like that complements the RB room. Quote
Beast Posted March 18 Posted March 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, KentuckyBillsFan said: That's not what you said. "Does the NFL even use running backs anymore?" I was being sarcastic. But I wasn’t when I said Cook, Johnson and a rookie are more than fine. Edited March 18 by Beast Quote
Mat68 Posted March 18 Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yeah I mean I would look at him as a role player the way he was a couple of years ago. You just need a guy to get like 300-400 yards and 5-7 TDs which is what he was and he was very efficient at that job. In terms of being full time starter, he was not very good. IMO a guy like that complements the RB room. Last 3 years averaged under 4 per carry. Hard pass. Give me a guy similar to Johnson. Part of committee productive but did not get many touches. I think you can find better athletes for the same money or investments. Quote
DJB Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Ill say we sign CEH on a 1 year deal after the draft for cheap Quote
T master Posted March 18 Posted March 18 On 3/15/2024 at 3:05 PM, MJS said: Sign a guy or draft a guy. Running backs are not hard to find. Maybe any ole running back isn't when it comes to a 3 back rotation but guys like Cook, McCaffrey, Henry, & Barkley are . Quote
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