CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

It would seem he's some sort of amalgam of McKenzie (gadget and jet sweeps), Harty (pure speed) and Shakir (size and slot receiving chops).  So, he's not a #2, but he definitely fills a role. 

 

Question:  Did you see 'pure speed' in Harty?

 

Because when his number was called for the Bills last year, I thought he looked slow. @Buffalo716 what say you?

 

I thought the reason we started seeing Diggs trying to do some gadget stuff from the backfield was because Harty just couldn't get 'er done.

[Motorin']

25 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Why are people so against…

 

… moves that clearly give JA17 more dangerous weapons

 

… having RBs/WRs who can be deployed all over the field

 

… being able to disguise which pass catchers are doing what (remember that pre-snap motion is a thing)

 

… stats showing Samuel is not strictly a slot WR but is a model of production consistency

 

… the idea that a “boundary WR” can be less than 6’3” 215 and still win because separation is actually the most important attribute

 

… ?

 

Add to that the idea that many formations in today's NFL allow  multiple receivers to lineup in "the" slot on either side of the field. So there's not just "one slot" or one slot receiver. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Why are people so against…

 

… moves that clearly give JA17 more dangerous weapons

 

… having RBs/WRs who can be deployed all over the field

 

… being able to disguise which pass catchers are doing what (remember that pre-snap motion is a thing)

 

… stats showing Samuel is not strictly a slot WR but is a model of production consistency

 

… the idea that a “boundary WR” can be less than 6’3” 215 and still win because separation is actually the most important attribute

 

… ?

They do this every year with at least a position and or signing.

[ColoradoBills]

Curtis Samuel has a fairly unique skillset.  Comparing him to Beasley or others is a waste of time IMO.

He has spent his entire career under Ron Rivera and with the dumpster QBs he was forced to play with, sure didn't help his career.

I cannot say for sure how he will be used in Buffalo and how successful he will be.

 

That said, I believe he is a decent receiver, and it will be up to Brady and Josh to make the signing a very good one or not.

Personally, I am happy with the signing BUT still want an outside WR on Day 1 or Day 2.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, ngbills said:

That is not doing Beasley justice. Beas had a better career pre Buffalo than Samuel. But I get what your saying - different players and different skillset. Samuel is more flexible and versatile than Beasley. Beasley was a better pure slot but Samuel adds more trickery, running out of the backfield, etc.

If Hopkins is a Bill in that playoff game vs KC the Bills win. No doubt. 

 

Not sure the Chiefs secondary in this age of defense possibly all time great to me with how defense nowdays.  I think only once over 25 points scored on them (Packers regular season game). Also if McDermott adjusted earlier (adjusted way to late) and not have Klein on Kelce is coaching. If had Milano and Bernard Bill's win I think.

 

I'm glad Samuel is here. Should help Bill's offense lots.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

The Buffalo Bills way overpaid for his services. What it tells me is either the coaching staff or management or both had discussions that they were dissatisfied with Gabe Davis’s play. Same with all our cuts we as fans look

at the salary cap savings. But for the Bills to offer Curtis Samuel the kind of money they offered it says everything how they feel about Gabe Davis regardless of what the Bills say publicly. Curtis Samuel for that money better perform and not drop football’s or the blame is squarely on Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane for the choices they made. Not the Bills fans or the Bills media. So I don’t want to hear Bills fans making excuses for Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane Curtis Samuel better play like Stefon Diggs and Andre Reed for that kind of money. If he is a free agent bust like Von Miller both McDermott and Beane should be fired if the Bills miss the playoffs. Why after 2024 season Buffalo Super Fan?
 

Because you want the new management to take over one year before moving into

the New Buffalo Bills Stadium so they can stack the Bills team for 2026 opening of the stadium. I have stated I think both Beane and especially McDermott are amateur hour wasting prime years of Josh Allen’s career. I want to also say I have talked about eventually Josh Allen will want out of Buffalo. The same holds true for Patrick Mahomes I don’t care if Patrick Mahomes wins 5 Super Bowls in Kansas City. Eventually he is going to want out of Kansas City for a large market to set himself up for success after pro football. Same with Joe Burrow. You aren’t doing that in Buffalo or Kansas City or Cincinnati or Cleveland or Pittsburgh or Green Bay that is just reality for cities like that. So you got to win now because they aren’t a huge media market and neither are those cities I mentioned so it’s not just a Buffalo thing or Buffalo Super Fan is piling on Buffalo. I look at sports in reality of present day sports.

 

I don’t care how great the new Buffalo Bills stadium is look at cities like Miami, Los Angeles and Las Vegas what they are building in the next 5 years you know Ralph Wilson’s cranes talk when he was alive. Look at the transportation infrastructure city’s like that are putting in a Motel 6 next to the new Bills stadium doesn’t make any difference you better win because the cities I mentioned are all falling behind and will be after thoughts for free agents. I sometimes wonder if Buffalo Bills fans ever look what other cities are building infrastructure wise. I don’t care if the Green Bay Packers are community owned I think they are going to be the Buffalo Sabres and Winnipeg Jets the last place on earth you want to sign with. The Bills got lucky Josh Allen dropped to us that is once every 20 years. So don’t encourage management and coaching squandering any slim chance the Bills have to win a Super Bowl. I saw Marv Levy squander Super Bowl XXV and for the next three years after that. The Bills have a moment in time at least Green Bay Packers have Super Bowls Championships for memories. Buffalo Bills don’t and the clock is ticking not on Josh Allen time in Buffalo but as Buffalo falls further and further behind. So don’t tell me we have forever Buffalo doesn’t we 17 years of ironclad guarantee NFL football left in Buffalo two more at the old stadium and 15 years at the new stadium. I want a Buffalo Bills Super Bowl no excuses my eyes are awake of the realities and challenges Buffalo faces long term as a NFL franchise that has any chance at winning a Super Bowl championship for Buffalo. Time is running out it isn’t just Josh Allen but for cities like Buffalo the growing economics of sports the writing is on the wall. I am not saying that the Buffalo Bills are going to move out of Buffalo in 17 years. I am saying the Buffalo Bills might just basically exist in the NFL like the New Orleans Pelicans in the NBA with next to zero chance of winning a NBA championship carry on in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Edited March 15 by Buffalo Super Fan

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

We need more WR talent. I get it. But also we blocked playing time for Shakir and Hodgins (who both flashed when given reps) with Curtis Samuel, Deonte Harty, and Isaiah McKenzie (to an extent). 

 

I don't follow this logic at all. 

 

Shakir got more playing time when he earned it.  He saw the field ~1/3 of the time his rookie season and roughly saw 1 target every 14 snaps.  He only caught 50% of his targets and had 2 drops on 20 targets - 10%.  I wasn't impressed with his release or his routes.  I was legit impressed last season - I thought his route running and release took a big jump, he didn't drop a thing, his catch % soared, and 1/3 of his yards were YAC.  His increased playing time of >50% snaps reflected that - but he was still seeing 1 target every 13 snaps or so. 

I did see times when he was open and wasn't targeted.

 

But we also didn't see a lot of the intermediate and option routes Beasley used to run, and for all I thought Shakir really came on I also think there's a reason for that.  If Samuel can add those back to the repertoire it can only be good.

 

Harty last season saw 15% of the snaps on offense.  He wasn't blocking anyone.

Edited March 15 by Beck Water

[Buffalo716]

17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Question:  Did you see 'pure speed' in Harty?

 

Because when his number was called for the Bills last year, I thought he looked slow. @Buffalo716 what say you?

 

I thought the reason we started seeing Diggs trying to do some gadget stuff from the backfield was because Harty just couldn't get 'er done.

I think at this point he's way quicker than pure blazing speed

 

He looked fast on his punt return TD but it didn't translate to offense much so it's a wash...  

 

I'm sure he can still blaze a fast 40 time... But on a condensed field you need to know how to use your speed... I think he struggled there 

[Beck Water]

23 minutes ago, ngbills said:

That is not doing Beasley justice. Beas had a better career pre Buffalo than Samuel. But I get what your saying - different players and different skillset. Samuel is more flexible and versatile than Beasley. Beasley was a better pure slot but Samuel adds more trickery, running out of the backfield, etc. 

 

Can you help me understand why you believe this is true?

Statistically, in the 4 years before Beasley came to Buffalo (which include his best years with Dallas), he averaged 57 receptions for 589 yds, 32 1D.

His best season with Dallas was 75 receptions for 833 yds, 51 1D.

 

In his 4 most recent full seasons, Samuel averaged 64 receptions for 687 yds, 34 1D.  His best season was with CAR, Joe Brady as OC: 77 receptions for 851 yds, 39 1D.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Trent Sherfield had 1 catch for 7 yards in 2 postseason games. Great work Beane!

 

Having players on your team like Trent Sherfield is the main reason we haven't sniffed the playoffs or division title in years.

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Having players on your team like Trent Sherfield is the main reason we haven't sniffed the playoffs or division title in years.

 

Yeah!  Oh....wait.....  

 

[TheBrownBear]

26 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Question:  Did you see 'pure speed' in Harty?

 

Because when his number was called for the Bills last year, I thought he looked slow. @Buffalo716 what say you?

 

I thought the reason we started seeing Diggs trying to do some gadget stuff from the backfield was because Harty just couldn't get 'er done.

At times (the punt return and on a couple of downfield shots), but obviously not enough.  I think he has great top speed, but not great short area quickness, which is why he never really worked in that gadget or slot role.  

[Maynard]

I like this okay. Guy has trouble staying healthy, so this shouldn’t preclude us from drafting a WR in the first. 

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Maybe if our receivers were better than Mahomes’, we would’ve been to a Super Bowl.

 

Unfortunately, we got stuck with Trent Sherfield and his alligator arm efforts led us to need a FG to tie in the closing minutes. Which was predictably shanked. 
 

No one is saying Beane sucks or the Bills suck. Their WR management and group has been overall insufficient. Who could argue this? No one.

 

I know you can’t even debate it because you hilariously aren’t even trying to. You just say things like, “we won the AFCE” like that has anything to do with the conversation. 
 

If you want to tell me that the investments into the WR group over the last 3 seasons have been good, I’d love to hear why. Otherwise, you just want to wave poms poms and you should just quit while you’re behind.

 

 

 

Yeah what the diminishing returns at WR have done is reduce Allen's effectiveness as a passer and put a lot of hard miles on his body.

 

Allen broke out in 2020 but that wasn't supposed to be the pinnacle of his career............that's just what it's turned out to be.

 

He hasn't even come very close to matching that year as a passer in any regard.........passer rating, completion %, TD% or INT% you name it he has been significantly worse.

 

His passing yardage per game in 2023 was over 30 yards less than 2020...........at some point the fact that the good things are trending down and the bad things are trending up matters.

 

The common denominator in the decline has been the consistent decline in the quality of receiving targets.   

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Having players on your team like Trent Sherfield is the main reason we haven't sniffed the playoffs or division title in years.

Trent Sherfield is good because we won the AFCE and made the playoffs. I guess then AJ Klein is good, Elam is good, Mitch Trubisky is good, and Kyle Allen is good too. 
 

Hey, we made the playoffs! They can’t be bad. This makes sense.

[CapeBreton]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Absolutely. Samuel is an ideal "screen guy". With Brady liking to throw those Im glad they identified that they needed someone with his skillset to run those rather than force it to Diggs. I anticipate those screens being more successful this season with Samuel.

 

I would cringe when they gave those screens to Diggs, he was already banged up and avoiding contact. Looking forward to watching Samuel create some YAC on those.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

It is okay if Samuel plays a Beasley type role for the Bills. I know many want to turn him into this #2 threat that is an upgrade over Davis and game changer. But that is not likely what this move is. Unless he breaks out after 7 years in the league and completely changes his game. Hey, that could happen I guess. 

I doubt that big-time! He's here to take snaps away from Shakir or maybe we don't take a Wr high in the draft either way to me that's bad news. 

[Royale with Cheese]

32 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Trent Sherfield is good because we won the AFCE and made the playoffs. I guess then AJ Klein is good, Elam is good, Mitch Trubisky is good, and Kyle Allen is good too. 
 

Hey, we made the playoffs! They can’t be bad. This makes sense.

 

I guess since Sherfield sucked, I guess that means Stefon Diggs sucked, Jordan Poyer sucked, Micah Hyde sucked, Mitch Morse sucked, Cole Beasley sucked....

Hey we haven't won the Super Bowl yet....everybody sucks that Beane brought on!

[Blackbeard]

Love the signing.  

 

Samuel is almost like a McCaffrey light,  but obviously a WR.

 

Versatile skill set and good hands.  SOLID.

[BananaB]

13 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I doubt that big-time! He's here to take snaps away from Shakir or maybe we don't take a Wr high in the draft either way to me that's bad news. 

So now we have 3 guys that can play all over the field. What’s the problem? Who knows what they get in the draft but a more reliable target that just doesn’t run a handful of routes is definitely an upgrade. Maybe he’s here do take some snaps from Diggs. He wasn’t quite himself the second half of the season.

Edited March 15 by BananaB