BananaB Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Davis was a mainly a deep threat because he was slow and couldn’t get separation early in routes. Very one dimensional player with poor hands. Samuel might be a bit of a Jack knife but he’s versatile, he can get open and he got reliable hands. You now have 3 guys like that so can put stress in defences… Teams were catching on to what Gabe does, it has lead to negative plays. 2 Quote
CSBill Posted March 15 Posted March 15 13 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Just hope he stays healthy. He has been snake bit. I read he has not missed a game in two years. Quote
nucci Posted March 15 Posted March 15 13 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Just hope he stays healthy. He has been snake bit. When was he bitten by a snake? 2021 only season his missed significant time. 2 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 hours ago, BeastMaster said: People need to watch more of Samuel because he does get behind the defense for big plays on occasion. He's definitely more than a slot guy. I think his ability to make things happen after the catch has led to him being targeted more quickly which in turn has kept his YPC low, but the ability to make plays downfield is there. He seems like a rich man's Shakir who is a little bit more experienced playing boundary WR, and has some juice being used out of the backfield. After sleeping on it, I am fine with that. If there was one thing I held up as why I liked Brady better than Dorsey it's that Brady put an emphasis on scheming against the opponent each week. Against the Cowboys (who had no run defense) and the second Chiefs game (depleted defense, needed as much TOP as possible) he made excellent use of heavy sets. He attacked bad secondaries when he saw them. Last offseason I gushed about the possibilities of using a 2 TE set (Knox was the disappointment, not Kincaid) but now I'm seeing the advantage with 3 and 4 WR sets. Trot out Diggs, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid and Cook. Standard 3WR: already solid and versatile route options 4 "WR" using Kincaid Bunch formation Put Samuel in the backfield with Cook: There is that "incredibly annoying when used against us" pop handoff McDaniel used against us Week 18 that could go to either, leaving it up to Josh to read. Either can run normally. Play action to one to pass to the other. Motion Kincaid to the slot or split him out to the boundary. Get a true burner X in this draft and the Bills can set up against nearly any defense in the league 1 1 Quote
Dunkirk Donski Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Get a true burner X in this draft and the Bills can set up against nearly any defense in the league Fixed Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said: Fixed Haha fair. The overall point I am going for is that if the Bills are smart (and so far what I've seen from Beane and Brady has reasonably been so) is that the Bills aren't going to be a "stop X and you stop the offense" We were that at stretches last year. If teams could shut down Diggs (and a lot made sure they did) it could be an absolute grind. Now, Shakir and Kincaid came along down the stretch and Cook became a revelation. With Samuel, and then a 2nd-3rd round burner then I really think Beane will have the luxury of BPA Quote
Dunkirk Donski Posted March 15 Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Haha fair. The overall point I am going for is that if the Bills are smart (and so far what I've seen from Beane and Brady has reasonably been so) is that the Bills aren't going to be a "stop X and you stop the offense" We were that at stretches last year. If teams could shut down Diggs (and a lot made sure they did) it could be an absolute grind. Now, Shakir and Kincaid came along down the stretch and Cook became a revelation. With Samuel, and then a 2nd-3rd round burner then I really think Beane will have the luxury of BPA My only concern is James "Ronnie Harmon" Cook 1 1 Quote
MAJBobby Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said: My only concern is James "Ronnie Harmon" Cook Now you do not need James "Ronnie Harmon" Cook running that wheel route, Samuel can do it, has done it, and there is a clip of him running that exact route in the thread. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 15 Posted March 15 13 hours ago, Behindenemylines said: But can he drop balls like Gabe, that’s what I want to know Just adds to the in-game excitement! Knox will still provide that entertainment. 4 Quote
Gregg Posted March 15 Posted March 15 12 hours ago, bobobonators said: I think a lot of ppl seem to overlook this fact. I fully expect Kincaid to get a lions share of the targets next season. Kincaid Diggs Samuel sprinkle in Shakir and Knox. id take a flyer on a rookie WR with insane physical skills but some red flags in the 3rd or 4th rd. Don't forget to add Cook into the mix as well. Then there is Allen's threat of running. Although I hope he does less of it as he gets older. Quote
bmur66 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 Still need someone to push Diggs for the no.1 reciever spot. Quote
BillsFan2313 Posted March 15 Posted March 15 51 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: No wonder I don't know anything about this guy. He's been Washington's THIRD WR? Inadequate. Or you just don't know as much about football as you thought you did 3 1 Quote
boyst Posted March 15 Posted March 15 10 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Then you are saying Diggs shouldn't be outside. Same size and faster than Diggs. Sorry the narrative doesn't hold water. diggs runs an elite route tree. 1 Quote
nucci Posted March 15 Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Gregg said: Don't forget to add Cook into the mix as well. Then there is Allen's threat of running. Although I hope he does less of it as he gets older. The offense improved when Allen started to run again. Needs to continue. Only times he's been injured was hits when throwing, not running 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: People keep saying this but I don't see it. John Brown has career YPC 14.9 and had similar number while in Buffalo. Samuel has 10.7 and it was even less last two years. I am not an expert but it clearly seems that he won't play John Brown's role unless we use him differently than he was used before. Just because a player was used a certain way prior doesn't mean that's all he can do. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, boyst said: diggs runs an elite route tree. So does Ladd. And you don't know what the exent of Samuel's route tree is. Quote
HOUSE Posted March 15 Posted March 15 I want some credit, I named 25 different WRs and Samual was one of them 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Posted March 15 30 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: He seems like a rich man's Shakir who is a little bit more experienced playing boundary WR, and has some juice being used out of the backfield. After sleeping on it, I am fine with that. If there was one thing I held up as why I liked Brady better than Dorsey it's that Brady put an emphasis on scheming against the opponent each week. Against the Cowboys (who had no run defense) and the second Chiefs game (depleted defense, needed as much TOP as possible) he made excellent use of heavy sets. He attacked bad secondaries when he saw them. Last offseason I gushed about the possibilities of using a 2 TE set (Knox was the disappointment, not Kincaid) but now I'm seeing the advantage with 3 and 4 WR sets. Trot out Diggs, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid and Cook. Standard 3WR: already solid and versatile route options 4 "WR" using Kincaid Bunch formation Put Samuel in the backfield with Cook: There is that "incredibly annoying when used against us" pop handoff McDaniel used against us Week 18 that could go to either, leaving it up to Josh to read. Either can run normally. Play action to one to pass to the other. Motion Kincaid to the slot or split him out to the boundary. Get a true burner X in this draft and the Bills can set up against nearly any defense in the league A true burner? Faster then the 4.31 Samuel runs? 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 15 Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: A true burner? Faster then the 4.31 Samuel runs? OK fair enough: More dedicated X receiver. If the team thinks that he can do that full time great, but considering the Kyle Shanahan inspired wrinkles that he ran, the comparison is closer to Deebo Samuel than a traditional #2 boundary WR. That said, he looks about 50/50 and has the speed to take off the top of the defense so that's not an impossibility. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted March 15 Posted March 15 17 minutes ago, bmur66 said: Still need someone to push Diggs for the no.1 reciever spot. That is where the draft and #28 comes into play. At least I hope it does. 1 Quote
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