Motorin' Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Just now, MAJBobby said: This is Beane giving Allen more options to beat man coverage. Huge upgrade from Deonte Harty. 7 2 Quote
The Jokeman Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Still got the 4th and 5th. I'd trade a 6th rounder or Jackson for Samuel each and everytime. 2 4 Quote
bobobonators Posted March 14 Posted March 14 52 minutes ago, Motorin' said: And Kincaid, who is realistically going to be the #2 target. I think a lot of ppl seem to overlook this fact. I fully expect Kincaid to get a lions share of the targets next season. Kincaid Diggs Samuel sprinkle in Shakir and Knox. id take a flyer on a rookie WR with insane physical skills but some red flags in the 3rd or 4th rd. 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Yeah, no. Davis posted 56%, 52% and 56% his last three seasons. Curtis Samuel caught 79%, 69% and 68% over his last three full seasons. That's not a "few points". I should have been more clear - I was talking about contested catch rate. Because contested catches is what Gabe really struggled with. If anyone touched him in any way, he would drop it. Samuel is similar. He has a 45% career contested catch rate. Gabe is 42%. For comparison sake, Diggs is 13 percentage points higher. 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Someone needs to tell the Cover1 guys their new logo looks like it says 'NE Pass' Quote
billsfan89 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 I like the move, not a huge move but a positive consistent outside WR who is fairly young (will be 28 this upcoming season) and signed to a nice deal. Stats wise he's not that dissimilar from Gabe Davis factoring in that while Gabe had more yards and TD's the past two seasons Samuel was not having Josh Allen throwing to him. Samuel also has a much higher catch percentage with 68% and 69% catch percentages compared to Gabe's rather bad 51% and 55% catch percentages. It doesn't mean that I still don't think that the Bills shouldn't draft a WR up high as they have to think about adding both depth and someone to down the line take over for Diggs whose suddenly entering his age 31 season and WR's usually hit the wall around age 32/33. BUT this does at the very least give the Bills some flexibility in terms of where they can go with picks 28 and 60. They can trade down to pick up extra picks in this and the 2025 draft if a trade-down presents its self. They can overload the WR position and just take one at pick 28 or they can address another need (maybe take the best center in the draft and just build a wall on the O-line or take a defensive player). It can kind of look like a lateral move replacing Gabe with a player who puts up similar numbers (but given that Samuel is significantly cheaper a lateral move is still a positive move) but I like the fit better with Samuel being a more sure handed reciever. Drops can kill an offense and having a player with a much better catch percentage on similar volume makes a positive impact and opens up the draft board. 2 1 Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 14 Posted March 14 (edited) Where are all the people who should be upset we signed a slot WR? Or who think WRs only operate from the slot or only operate outside? Also, I feel these lists of our healthy fleet of pass catchers are sleeping on Knox. Edited March 14 by JohnBonhamRocks 3 2 Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted March 14 Posted March 14 51 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU** MCKISSIC..... that is no jinx. McKissic jinxed himself!!!! AMAZING SIGNING!!!!! Finally a Buckeyes player on the Bills again!!!!!! Li'l' Donte being the last one..... Let's hope Samuel is a better football player and way less of an #######. 1 Quote
Motorin' Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I should have been more clear - I was talking about contested catch rate. Because contested catches is what Gabe really struggled with. If anyone touched him in any way, he would drop it. Samuel is similar. He has a 45% career contested catch rate. Gabe is 42%. For comparison sake, Diggs is 13 percentage points higher. Yeah but what percentage of Samuels targets are contested? Cause he's average catch percentage is actually slightly higher than Diggs'. He's not a jump ball player. He's a separator that specializes in beating man coverage and getting YAC... Also, he's not replacing Davis, imo. He's replacing Harty. Davis' replacement will come in Rd 1 or 2. 3 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I like the move, not a huge move but a positive consistent outside WR who is fairly young (will be 28 this upcoming season) and signed to a nice deal. Stats wise he's not that dissimilar from Gabe Davis factoring in that while Gabe had more yards and TD's the past two seasons Samuel was not having Josh Allen throwing to him. Samuel also has a much higher catch percentage with 68% and 69% catch percentages compared to Gabe's rather bad 51% and 55% catch percentages. It doesn't mean that I still don't think that the Bills shouldn't draft a WR up high as they have to think about adding both depth and someone to down the line take over for Diggs whose suddenly entering his age 31 season and WR's usually hit the wall around age 32/33. BUT this does at the very least give the Bills some flexibility in terms of where they can go with picks 28 and 60. They can trade down to pick up extra picks in this and the 2025 draft if a trade-down presents its self. They can overload the WR position and just take one at pick 28 or they can address another need (maybe take the best center in the draft and just build a wall on the O-line or take a defensive player). It can kind of look like a lateral move replacing Gabe with a player who puts up similar numbers (but given that Samuel is significantly cheaper a lateral move is still a positive move) but I like the fit better with Samuel being a more sure handed reciever. Drops can kill an offense and having a player with a much better catch percentage on similar volume makes a positive impact and opens up the draft board. Samuel can actually uncover within the first 5-10 yards; Gabe can’t. 5 1 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I think a lot of ppl seem to overlook this fact. I fully expect Kincaid to get a lions share of the targets next season. Kincaid Diggs Samuel sprinkle in Shakir and Knox. id take a flyer on a rookie WR with insane physical skills but some red flags in the 3rd or 4th rd. Unless something changes Beane has to think that Diggs is not long for the team. A June 1 cut or trade has to be a possibility next year. I'd still look to go with a 1st (2nd at the latest) WR this draft. 1 Quote
QCity Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Where are all the people who should be upset we signed a slot WR? Most people are still Googling him. 5 1 Quote
Charles Romes Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Go ahead. Force us to nickel and dime you on 12 play drives now. Good luck. Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Unless something changes Beane has to think that Diggs is not long for the team. A June 1 cut or trade has to be a possibility next year. I'd still look to go with a 1st (2nd at the latest) WR this draft. We currently don't even have a 3rd. Waiting until the 4th round in this exceptional WR draft is just an awful idea. 3 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Beane is great when he’s pissed off Quick, someone call him pudgy! 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Just now, Dr. Who said: We currently don't even have a 3rd. Waiting until the 4th round in this exceptional WR draft is just an awful idea. Could not agree with you more!!! 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted March 14 Posted March 14 I like it and I don't like it. I like Curtis Samuel, but he works mostly out of the slot and we have Shakir for that. Please don't force this guy into Gabe's role. Also, I hope this isn't a band-aid so that they can draft another d-lineman or DB in the 1st. 1 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Just now, Dr. Who said: We currently don't even have a 3rd. Waiting until the 4th round in this exceptional WR draft is just an awful idea. Im not advocating for against it but I would now make the argument they are going to go DL in round one and draft a WR in round 2. Beane is also the type of hyperactive guy who is angry he didn’t get the 3rd he was expecting and trades out of round 1, gets it back, takes someone like Coleman or Legette or whomever and then trades up with one of the 4ths from 60 to get a DT like Braden Fiske 1 2 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: I should have been more clear - I was talking about contested catch rate. Because contested catches is what Gabe really struggled with. If anyone touched him in any way, he would drop it. Samuel is similar. He has a 45% career contested catch rate. Gabe is 42%. For comparison sake, Diggs is 13 percentage points higher. Is there not a fair amount of context missing from that stat comparison? Josh Allen is far more accurate, with far better ball placement than anyone who ever threw a pass to Samuel. Not all contested passes are created equal. And, of course, Samuel gets much more separation than Davis. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: Im not advocating for against it but I would now make the argument they are going to go DL in round one and draft a WR in round 2. Beane is also the type of hyperactive guy who is angry he didn’t get the 3rd he was expecting and trades out of round 1, gets it back, takes someone like Coleman or Legette or whomever and then trades up with one of the 4ths from 60 to get a DT like Braden Fiske Whats Fiske going to do ? Play 25 percent of the snaps behind Oliver ? More of a need at Edge in my view … 1 Quote
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