BADOLBILZ Posted March 13 Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Gabe replacement comes at #28 or earlier with a trade up If there is a Gabe replacement I think that comes much later. 28 should be a WR with a lot more juice/talent than the not-quick, unagile and hard-handed Gabe Davis. I could see a guy like Cornelius Johnson from Michigan being a more direct "Gabe replacement" type later. Gabe might be a bit better deep threat but Johnson is faster and better in many regards as a receiver than both Gabe and Mack Hollins. I think Johnson could actually be used on routes over the middle of the field where they didn't trust Gabe's hands and he can make contested catches downfield even if he doesn't get as open as Gabe did with those long strides. Was hoping he'd be a late round guy but probably more 4th/5th after running in the 4.4's at combine. 2 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, mrags said: Keep hearing that. and then see moves like this and it makes me think they draft 1 guy in rd 3 or 4 and call it a day. Sad but I fear may be true If I were Allen and #28 wasn't a WR, I call beane and just say trade me. How much longer does this kidd have to suffer? 1 1 Quote
Gregg Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 minute ago, mrags said: Keep hearing that. and then see moves like this and it makes me think they draft 1 guy in rd 3 or 4 and call it a day. Sad but I fear may be true Hope not. I would think (hope) they get one of the top WR's. Someone to help Diggs and Kincaid. Also, Diggs is 30 now so they also need to look to future as far as having a #1 WR. Building around Allen and giving him more weapons should be a priority. 1 Quote
SCBills Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Two Things: 1) Mack Hollins on a 1 year deal, worth "up to" 3M is a good deal for a WR5. Special Teamer with size who can come in provide adequate WR depth. 2) People do have the right to worry if this is all we do at WR leading up to the Draft. The pressure on Beane to get it right, with the entire league knowing he needs to get it right, will be very high. All this talk of Allen needing more help and all we've done, pre-draft, is trade Bates, cut Morse and let Gabe walk. I'm not saying those weren't the right decisions.. I agree with them, but (if) there are no substantive corresponding FA moves before the Draft, Beane has really boxed himself in. 1 Quote
mrags Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: If I were Allen and #28 wasn't a WR, I call beane and just say trade me. How much longer does this kidd have to suffer? Yup. And I would willingly accept it. It’s a shame we’re watching the best talent at QB we’ve ever had, and possibly top in the league and we waste him. I’m at the point where I’d trade him to a contender. Just to see him get a ring. 1 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13 Posted March 13 6 minutes ago, mrags said: It’s almost like they’re pissing on us and not even having the courtesy of calling it rain. I can’t believe anyone is even remotely pleased with this pickup. Could have got whatever production he provides at half the cost from an undrafted rookie. MRags back with the over the top drama. Every single team in the NFL has a veteran in their depth positions and not all 4-7 string WR's are undrafted free agents. But when the Bills do it, they're pissing on us lol. 2 1 1 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Alright. STer with some production and perhaps untapped potential? Size & Speed Diggs ______ ______ Shakir (Slot) Hollins Shorter 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Another special teams guy that offers little help for Allen. I didn't expect a significant WR in FA. That will come in the draft. I just wish Beane would take control of this team and stop allowing,McDermott to put precious cap space into special teams. Any 7th round pick can do what this guy will on teams for far less. Just get a day 1 or early day 2 WR in the draft and all will be ok 1 Quote
BeastMaster Posted March 13 Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: So nothing like Gabe Davis at all He's a bigger WR that can block...like Gabe was. 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13 Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: If I were Allen and #28 wasn't a WR, I call beane and just say trade me. How much longer does this kidd have to suffer? He just restructured ensuring he will stay longer lol. My god you guys are so dramatic. He's not suffering LMAO. 1 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 “Up to 3 million” so his cap hit is probably 1-2 million. Perfectly fine with this! 1 1 Quote
Westside Posted March 13 Posted March 13 34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: This With Hollins You get the blocking that left with Gabe Davis You get a more polished WR than Trent Sherfield You get the ST gunner that left with Siran Neal. This is the type of player you want from your WR5/6 Thanks Bobby! I definitely see this signing with a different perspective. 👍 1 Quote
mrags Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: MRags back with the over the top drama. Every single team in the NFL has a veteran in their depth positions and not all 4-7 string WR's are undrafted free agents. But when the Bills do it, they're pissing on us lol. Yup. We’ve seen this dog and pony show over and over again. It’s not drama if it’s true. What you say is correct, we need bodies. Sure. I get it. But we’re also in cap hell. Yet we’re wasting what little cap dollars we have on guys that are terrible. Or won’t make make any impact. Again, save the little money you have, sign an undrafted rookie to take this guys place instead and bundle up all your little 1-3m contracts that you saved and actually go out and try and find someone worth it. it’s not rocket science Edited March 13 by mrags 1 2 Quote
DapperCam Posted March 13 Posted March 13 This guy is mostly a special teams player. His contract probably has a bunch of incentives on the off chance he actually produces some receiving stats. 1 Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13 Posted March 13 He's probably a 5, maybe the 4 I was talking about in the other thread he's a gunner, and has some size. I had him on my radar last year as a guy who could help. Has some traits. Still a ton of work to do at that position. 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: And we are picking in a really crappy place. And we have 11 picks to move around it need be. But 28 isn’t crappy when the draft is this deep. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Just now, mrags said: Yup. We’ve seen this dog and pony show over and over again. It’s Norma if it’s true. What you say is correct, we need bodies. Sure. I get it. But we’re also in cap hell. Yet we’re wasting what little cap dollars we have on guys that are terrible. Or won’t make make any impact. Again, save the little money you have, sign an undrafted rookie to take this guys place instead and bundle up all your little 1-3m contracts that you saved and actually go out and try and find someone worth it. it’s not rocket science Why don't all NFL teams have UDFA as their 4-7 string WR? The KC Chiefs don't know what the hell they're doing. They currently have 5 WR's in that 1-3 million dollar contracts and their highest paid WR is making $3.4 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/contracts/ Rocket science. 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted March 13 Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: OBJ was severely overpaid and shouldn't have been. I actually think with Michael Thomas's injury history that a small 1 year prove it deal may be worth it to show he can at least stay healthy for a season and then cash in next season OK, so in your opinion OBJ was overpaid, and in hindsight, looking at his performance, a case can be made for that. But the point here is market value and what some team with cap space is likely to offer to pay a former AP-1 OPOY WR. My case is that whether or not you think it's a good idea, a WR with Michael Thomas resume is unlikely to be available to the Bills on a $2-$3M deal at the start of FA. Quote
BeastMaster Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mrags said: Yup. We’ve seen this dog and pony show over and over again. It’s Norma if it’s true. What you say is correct, we need bodies. Sure. I get it. But we’re also in cap hell. Yet we’re wasting what little cap dollars we have on guys that are terrible. Or won’t make make any impact. Again, save the little money you have, sign an undrafted rookie to take this guys place instead and bundle up all your little 1-3m contracts that you saved and actually go out and try and find someone worth it. it’s not rocket science Except he's not terrible. He fills two needs also being a capable blocking receiver and a ST guy. He's also shown reliable hands and has produced some decent numbers with lesser offenses with lesser QB's We wanted guys that can catch the football, and this guy does that pretty well. He's also a big target. Posters need to get a grip here and realize these are the moves we will be making this offseason due to our cap. You will get your WR in the first or second round...maybe both. Stop crying Edited March 13 by BeastMaster Quote
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