Bills sign Mack Hollins

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Doesn't spend big money?  He spent a lot and traded for Diggs, paid him big money, then paid him big money again.  He traded up for Kincaid last year too.  

 

And Mike Williams?  What a terrible decision to bring him in would that be.  Thankfully Beane isn't foolish enough to pay a bunch of money to an overrated WR who disappears all the time and also gets hurt constantly.  

 

Literally the best WR draft of our lifetimes and people want to blow money we don't have on retread WR's, I just don't get the logic.  

This time of year, there is no logic with some.  Depth makes some people angry.

[Alphadawg7]

Do people even realize Mike Williams averages 44 rec for 686 yards over 7 seasons?  And that is with Phillip Rivers and Justin Herbert as his QB's.  Yet he was getting paid a monstrous contract lol.  

 

HARD PASS

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

so no Curtis Samuel now, cmon lad, make up your mind

Beats the hell outta the guy we just spent 2 mill on,and yes I still like Samuel.

 

Bonus points for calling me lad.  My Scottish heritage thanks you 😁

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:

That's my problem right there. Both those guys were NOT good, and both saw time in the WR 3 role. It's not great. 

 

Typically, if a WR is someone you want starting in a WR3 role, he's either a talented rookie OR he's getting WR3 money (and snaps) from your team or someone else.  It would be great to have last year's rookies step up and "get it" and contribute and chase Hollins off the team, but I don't understand why it's a problem to sign a guy who has managed to show he can put up lower-end #2 receptions and yards when given #2 reps and targets, and who has shown he can play ST in the NFL

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Doesn't spend big money?  He spent a lot and traded for Diggs, paid him big money, then paid him big money again.  He traded up for Kincaid last year too.  

 

And Mike Williams?  What a terrible decision to bring him in would that be.  Thankfully Beane isn't foolish enough to pay a bunch of money to an overrated WR who disappears all the time and also gets hurt constantly.  

 

Literally the best WR draft of our lifetimes and people want to blow money we don't have on retread WR's, I just don't get the logic.  

Best draft WR wise and odds are we are stuck with the 6th best of the lot.  And you refer to Diggs, 1WR who has seemingly lost a lot.

 

I'm not going to argue any longer,you all won't get it.  

[Toyo321]

13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This time of year, there is no logic with some.  Depth makes some people angry.

This guy is not depth signing it was an overreaction signing to fill a position, he is washed up WR,  He is a waste of $3 Mil that could have been spent on a kid coming out of the draft.

 

While we are on this depth topic.  We sign more casted off NFL players from other teams and always overpay for what we get in return.

 

This is the Hallmark of Beane and McD's tenure for the last 7 years.

Edited March 13 by Toyo321

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

This guy is not depth signing it was an overreaction signing to fill a position, he is washed up WR,  He is a waste of $3 Mil that could have been spent on a kid coming out of the draft.

 

While we are on this depth topic.  We sign more casted off NFL players from other teams and always overpay for what we get in return.

 

This is the Hallmark of Beane and McD's tenure for the last 7 years.

“up to “ $3m

 

Actual likely  amount - $1.5m

Edited March 13 by Aussie Joe

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Best draft WR wise and odds are we are stuck with the 6th best of the lot.  And you refer to Diggs, 1WR who has seemingly lost a lot.

 

I'm not going to argue any longer,you all won't get it.  

Remember when you included Shakir up above talking about a pipe dream….22nd WR taken.

[Motorin']

40 minutes ago, WickedGame said:

The need for a #2 is less about catching the balls that currently go to Kincaid, Shakir, Cook, etc., and more about having a dangerous enough weapon opposite Diggs to prevent defenses from focusing so heavily on him.

 

If a #2 receiver reduces the production of Kincaid and Shakir, I don’t care as long as it INCREASES the production of Diggs. I I’m not saying I need 1,700 yards from Diggs — I’m saying I need a set of weapons so stacked that somebody on the defense is seriously compromised. 

 

When teams doubled Diggs it was often out of a two high look with the Safety to Diggs side of the field. Kincaid and Shakir working deep over the middle of the field will do more to get Diggs one vs one than a wr on the opposite side of the field... 

 

I have high hopes for drafting a wr early that can turn into a future 1a receiver. I think we have a future 1b right now in Kincaid, and I hopeful he can close to that potential this year or next. 

[Rocky Landing]

2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Best draft WR wise and odds are we are stuck with the 6th best of the lot.  And you refer to Diggs, 1WR who has seemingly lost a lot.

 

I'm not going to argue any longer,you all won't get it.  

Your philosophy on building a team seems to be that a team should spend a lot of money on a handful of "impact players," and let the rest of the team be minimum-salary *****. So, you can count me as one of those that "doesn't get it." In my opinion, depth matters.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

This guy is not depth signing it was an overreaction signing to fill a position, he is washed up WR,  He is a waste of $3 Mil that could have been spent on a kid coming out of the draft.

 

While we are on this depth topic.  We sign more casted off NFL players from other teams and always overpay for what we get in return.

 

This is the Hallmark of Beane and McD's tenure for the last 7 years.

First, its not a base of $3 million.

Second, we don’t sign more castoffs than anyone else.  ESPN literally had a the graph of 2022 where we had the most draft picks playing than any other team.  Literally #1.

 

McDermott must really be a good coach if he take take a team to the playoffs if we have the most castoff filled roster.

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Best draft WR wise and odds are we are stuck with the 6th best of the lot.  And you refer to Diggs, 1WR who has seemingly lost a lot.

 

I'm not going to argue any longer,you all won't get it.  

 

The 6th best WR this year would have been the top 1 or 2 in any other draft.  You guys need to stop thinking in a vaccum and focus more on what is there.  Thomas would be the top WR in most of the drafts the last 15 years, yet he is seen as 4th in this one.  

 

Plus, Worthy is likely going to go before our pick, who is probably more like 8th or 9th best WR in this draft has a good chance to go early because his speed is elite even though he isn't probably a true WR1 in the NFL like some of the other first round guys pushing one of them closer to us.  

 

And...most importantly...most of the top 10 and top 20 WR's in the NFL did not get drafted in the first round.  So this obsession that only one of the first few WR's are the only way to find a WR1 is an incorrect way of looking at it.  

 

PS:  Mike Williams averages less than 700 yards for his career catching passes from Rivers and Herbert.  We can find a rookie who can eclipse that easy.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, SoonerBillsFan said:

Best draft WR wise and odds are we are stuck with the 6th best of the lot.  And you refer to Diggs, 1WR who has seemingly lost a lot.

 

I'm not going to argue any longer,you all won't get it.  

 

The best WR drafted last year was a 5th rounder.

 

2022 - Wilson Olave London Dotson in first.  Pickens and Doubs go in the 2nd and 4th.  

2021 - Pitts Chase Waddle go 4/5/6 - and St. Brown is drafted in the 4th.  

 

Its not like that every year - but there are great players picked outside the first round.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

This guy is weird enough to become a massive fan favorite 🤣😂

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

Keep hearing that. and then see moves like this and it makes me think they draft 1 guy in rd 3 or 4 and call it a day. Sad but I fear may be true 

Now you are being completely ridiculous. Moves like this make it even more likely we are drafting WR round 1.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Williams can't stay healthy 

 

I’d prefer to get younger and cheaper.

 

Oh, and hopefully healthier. 

[WickedGame]

9 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

When teams doubled Diggs it was often out of a two high look with the Safety to Diggs side of the field. Kincaid and Shakir working deep over the middle of the field will do more to get Diggs one vs one than a wr on the opposite side of the field... 

 

I have high hopes for drafting a wr early that can turn into a future 1a receiver. I think we have a future 1b right now in Kincaid, and I hopeful he can close to that potential this year or next. 

Agree with these points. Although I’ll add that I don’t want my #2 WR receiver to be purely a straight-line-speed/go routes guy. I want him to be a separator. With hands, ideally. Someone who can run a full route tree…maybe even some of those deep middle routes you mentioned. A unicorn, I know, but it got to where Gave was only useful on a deep go. Splashy? Sure. But give me a guy who requires a DB to make decisions. Ideally, poor decisions. 

[NewEra]

I haven’t seen the money but I like him if he’s around 2M-  good special teamer, has size.  Can make plays downfield.  He’s not great but he’s good competition for WR5-6 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

 

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I haven’t seen the money but I like him if he’s around 2M-  good special teamer, has size.  Can make plays downfield.  He’s not great but he’s good competition for WR5-6 

Yup, basically this years Trent Sherfield. Hopefully he translates to the offense better. He made some great catches in the video above. 

[BeastMaster]

23 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Best draft WR wise and odds are we are stuck with the 6th best of the lot.  And you refer to Diggs, 1WR who has seemingly lost a lot.

 

I'm not going to argue any longer,you all won't get it.  

6th best is simply your guess...it doesn't mean 5 will go before we pick, and it certainly doesn't mean the ones drated ahead will be better picks. And also...in a deep class, the sixth player drafted at his position might be a really good player.

 

You're being a Debbie Downer when there are plenty of reasons to be positive and excited.