Knox "Reworks" Deal Frees Cap

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

Thanks for sharing actual examples rather than just screaming at me.  Appreciate that

 

lol, who screamed at you, you poor little thing

[Buffalo_Stampede]

So far Beane is having a very good offseason. Let’s keep it going.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Maybe. But how many guys have left teams for perceived "greener pastures" only to end up miserable and full of regret? He may think that the Bills are his best fit. We may never know. Hopefully, the decision ends up mutually beneficial for both parties.

 

How happy Knox is here now - especially with the addition of Kincaid - is an open question. He’s overpaid at $13M so that probably helps a lot in that regard, but that might change if he were asked to take a pay cut. It looks to be a straight up restructure so that looks to be a moot point. 

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

where

You should be embarrassed by that comment. Knox is a good, starting quality TE that can play in line and flex out to the slot. He may have been a little overpaid by the Bills, but he’d be signed within days if he hit the market today. And he’d be a good starter for that team. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

My guess is Knox reworked deal is very similar to Hunter Henry’s 3 year $27m deal with $15 guaranteed.  He’s trading his bigger deal for more guaranteed money.  Bills want him on team next couple of years but at a lower number.  

 

This. I am fairly certain he gets more guaranteed. I would not be shocked if they added a year as well. More guaranteed money, another year on the job, less money per year. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

He could do that but I'm betting he knows in the long run he makes more staying in Buffalo and taking small salary cuts each year.

He likes Buffalo (remember how happy he was when he bought his home) and HAS to know he signed an overpaid contract.

 

His contract is through the 2026 season and if I was him, I would take the small pay cut.  If he goes to a new team and has a bad year

or gets injured again he could end up playing for less than $5M every year going forward.  

 

This is the last season with guarantees in his deal. He’s under contract for two more after that, but the Bills can easily move on at any time after this season. Now with the addition of Kincaid he may not get the passes or playing time that he used to get. That would not help his value. This is hypothetical because the contract move looks like a straight restructure. But if I were him and my choices were $5M and free agency today or a cut in pay, I would walk. 

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

How happy Knox is here now - especially with the addition of Kincaid - is an open question. He’s overpaid at $13M so that probably helps a lot in that regard, but that might change if he were asked to take a pay cut. It looks to be a straight up restructure so that looks to be a moot point. 

You should be embarrassed by that comment. Knox is a good, starting quality TE that can play in line and flex out to the slot. He may have been a little overpaid by the Bills, but he’d be signed within days if he hit the market today. And he’d be a good starter for that team. 

lol

 

Knox is so overrated

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You certainly could.

 

But at 27 and already sitting on likely $15M cash, staying here on a well-run team with a great QB is probably worth that $3M, as opposed to landing on... the Raiders, let's say, and having a horribly un-fun year on a poorly run and coached team, with no QB. And then be out of the league in 2025.

 

I'm always in favor of players getting as much cash as they can, but sometimes there is a bigger picture that will earn you more in the long run as opposed to just this year.

 

Good teams need players too. 

[JohnNord]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

And is there any scenario more scary or uncertain than an overpaid under-performer getting cut right as FA starts? Especially for a guy who was a walk-on in college, parlayed it to a 3d round pick, and parlayed that into a $52M contract which he has already earned $25M of?

 

And especially as a TE in this market.

Between Knox and Von it certainly seems that Beane is leveraging the threat of a release against the players 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Good teams need players too. 

 

Like where? Truly asking since I didnt give it much thought, and most teams are a worse situation than Buffalo. What good team needs him?

[Breakout Squad]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

lol

 

Knox is so overrated

Knox is solid. Just needs to knock off dropping easy passes…especially in crucial 3rd down situations. 

[JohnNord]

40 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

lol, who screamed at you, you poor little thing

You’re the one who got butthurt over the fact that I DARE question the credibility of an “insider” on a message board. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

You’re the one who got butthurt over the fact that I DARE question the credibility of an “insider” on a message board. 

 

My man, I literally said "believe it or dont". No sweat off my sack.

 

[Niagara Dude]

As much as I hate losing guys these were moves Beane had to make.  We had to stop with the kicking money down the road on players that are not elite and you still not good enough with to beat the Chiefs. Gave who sign with the Jags is a solid receiver but he is also not a true #2 receiver. I think the Bills understand that Diggs needs better receivers around him so teams cannot just load up on him. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Imagine working you way up the depth chart, balling out, and signing a big contract to be the TE1 of a top offense for years to come.

Then the very next offseason your team trades up in the 1st round to select another tight end, and the offseason after that, they're knocking on your day asking you to take a paycut.

Tough business. 

 

Which is exactly why these players have to maximize their earnings while they're able.

Edited March 11 by Chicken Boo

[26TrapDraw]

3 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Hoping they didnt just push stuff down the road with him.

I'm sure it is.  Beane using the US Government spending model.

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Like where? Truly asking since I didnt give it much thought, and most teams are a worse situation than Buffalo. What good team needs him?

He’d be an upgrade for the Bengals, Dolphins, Colts, Chargers, Rams or Tampa. 

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

He’d be an upgrade for the Bengals, Dolphins, Colts, Chargers, Rams or Tampa. 

lol knox wouldn't see the field for the Dolphins

 

he's imprecise off the line and runs sloppy routes

[Fetou]

3 hours ago, DapperCam said:

I don’t really understand Von and Knox taking pay cuts. What leverage do the Bills have in this scenarios? They can’t really cut these guys due to the dead cap. Why do the players say yes?

I think we all focus on cap figures because we care about team composition, but a lot of that money is already paid out up front to these players.

 

The players are interested in receiving as much cash earnings going forward as possible, whether by a new increase in bonus/upfront cash to be amortized down the road, or just remaining on the team to collect base salary amounts. Their ability to receive new guaranteed money from other teams influences their leverage. When play has declined, they become more amicable to altering the terms 

 

Their dead cap number doesn't mean all that much to them is my understanding. That's all old news (old money) to them

Edited March 11 by Fetou

[Freddie's Dead]

$14M for Dropsome/Dawesome, whoever decides to show up on game day?  Sheeeeeeeit.....

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So far Beane is having a very good offseason. Let’s keep it going.

 

Reworking the two only “bad” contracts on the roster (Knox and Von) is a huge victory hopefully they can get Diggs to slightly rework his deal as well