Justin Simmons released (now visiting N'awlins)

[TOboy]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m using AJ to illustrate that there is no consistency in their plan (if they turn around and sign Simmons which I don’t believe they will).  Floyd was old, but he was super productive.  They chose to pay AJ who is young but unproductive instead.  That’s fine if they’re committed to getting younger, but if they’re going to pick up Justin Simmons after trading a 3rd round pick for a 29 year old Rasul Douglas then letting a 24 year old Gabe Davis walk, then clearly that’s not their commitment.

Why can’t they go case by case to assemble the best team possible? 

[Billl]

20 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

If Simmons is signed and a draft pick made the plan is Simmons is the bridge to the draft pick.  Simmons is 2 years younger and that isn't insignificant.  I don't need a FA to come in for 5 or 6 years.  I need someone for 1 or 2 at the most while the rookie gets seasoning.  The safety market is going to be weird.  If you could get Hyde back for a year for next to nothing with the same plan of passing it off to 2024 draftee in 2025 would you do it?

Absolutely not.  I would draft a rookie and let him play.  Hyde was a terrific player at one point in his career, but he’s completely shot.    The only thing that matters for the Bills is the postseason.  Why would you waste 25% of a rookie contract that could be used getting him game reps during the regular season in preparation just to trot the corpse of Micah Hyde out for another season?

[strive_for_five_guy]

This tweet was even earlier today.  Don’t know if the person has anymore street cred than Dick Trickle IV 😎.  Maybe it’s already been pointed out, but apparently Simmons played college ball with Milano at BC, then obviously played with Von in Denver too.  So overlap w some of the guys on our team.  Also 3x Walter Payton nominee, aside from his All-Pro accolades.  Might be the kind of veteran stopgap Beane and McD look for, while trying to land a young safety stud in upcoming drafts.

 

 

 

[billieve420]

Believe the Bills will come away with one Vet safety before all is said and done. Market is flooded which should bring down value.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

This tweet was even earlier today.  Don’t know if the person has anymore street cred than Dick Trickle IV 😎.  Maybe it’s already been pointed out, but apparently Simmons played college ball with Milano at BC, then obviously played with Von in Denver too.  So overlap w some of the guys on our team.  Also 3x Walter Payton nominee, aside from his All-Pro accolades.  Might be the kind of veteran stopgap Beane and McD look for, while trying to land a young safety stud in upcoming drafts.

 

 

 

FAKE account.  That person intentionally posts fake news to “cause chaos”

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m using AJ to illustrate that there is no consistency in their plan (if they turn around and sign Simmons which I don’t believe they will).  Floyd was old, but he was super productive.  They chose to pay AJ who is young but unproductive instead.  That’s fine if they’re committed to getting younger, but if they’re going to pick up Justin Simmons after trading a 3rd round pick for a 29 year old Rasul Douglas then letting a 24 year old Gabe Davis walk, then clearly that’s not their commitment.

Douglas has one year left on his deal, during which I guarantee you the FO is hoping Elam figures it out under new coaching. 

I’m so glad they signed AJ for less and let Floyd walk.   AJ flashes but is inconsistent.  If it ever clicks for him, he’ll be a problem.  Floyd was great for the first half is the season.. was nonexistent down the stretch. 
 

So far, i think they finally get it.. that “running it back” ran its course and a shakeup is needed. 
 

However, if we pay Justin Simmons legit money… yea, I wouldn’t understand that. 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Douglas has one year left on his deal, during which I guarantee you the FO is hoping Elam figures it out under new coaching. 

I’m so glad they signed AJ for less and let Floyd walk.   AJ flashes but is inconsistent.  If it ever clicks for him, he’ll be a problem.  Floyd was great for the first half is the season.. was nonexistent down the stretch. 
 

So far, i think they finally get it.. that “running it back” ran its course and a shakeup is needed. 
 

However, if we pay Justin Simmons legit money… yea, I wouldn’t understand that. 

 

why on earth not?  Simmons has the most INT’s in the NFL since 2016 and Rasul is a takeaway machine as well. We’re trying to win.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Douglas has one year left on his deal, during which I guarantee you the FO is hoping Elam figures it out under new coaching. 

I’m so glad they signed AJ for less and let Floyd walk.   AJ flashes but is inconsistent.  If it ever clicks for him, he’ll be a problem.  Floyd was great for the first half is the season.. was nonexistent down the stretch. 
 

So far, i think they finally get it.. that “running it back” ran its course and a shakeup is needed. 
 

However, if we pay Justin Simmons legit money… yea, I wouldn’t understand that. 

 

they're not going to give simmons a bunch of money

 

it would be monumentally dumb

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

why on earth not?  Simmons has the most INT’s in the NFL since 2016 and Rasul is a takeaway machine as well. We’re trying to win.

“Since 2016..”

 

That’s why.    I have zero desire to have money and/or 30+ dudes at Safety. 
 

Not when we have 1 DT and absolute nonsense at WR currently. 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

why on earth not?  Simmons has the most INT’s in the NFL since 2016 and Rasul is a takeaway machine as well. We’re trying to win.

 

And if Elam can work his way in, our secondary could be a takeaway machine.  He really has a nose for the ball.

 

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m using AJ to illustrate that there is no consistency in their plan (if they turn around and sign Simmons which I don’t believe they will).  Floyd was old, but he was super productive.  They chose to pay AJ who is young but unproductive instead.  That’s fine if they’re committed to getting younger, but if they’re going to pick up Justin Simmons after trading a 3rd round pick for a 29 year old Rasul Douglas then letting a 24 year old Gabe Davis walk, then clearly that’s not their commitment.

Take a look at the snap count and comparing number and let me know if he was unproductive.

 

groot
PD 4
FF 1 
FR 1
SK 5
TKL 30
53%

 

floyd
PD 1
FF 1
Tkl 21

SK 10.5
54%

 

AJE
PD 8
FF 1
FR 1

SK 6.5
Tkl 9
36%

[Billl]

11 minutes ago, TOboy said:

Why can’t they go case by case to assemble the best team possible? 

Of course they can, but are they getting it right?  Von was brought in under a big contract.  He got hurt and has been an albatross.  Leonard Floyd was brought in.  He had 10.5 sacks, and they let him walk. They traded a third round pick for Douglas.  He got hurt, missed time, and was then completely ineffective in the postseason.  They brought back Hyde and Poyer, and both were husks of their former selves by the time the season ended.  

 

Floyd is easily the biggest success story the team has had in terms of bringing in an aging veteran, and they sent him packing after one season.  Why would anyone want them to bring in another expensive player over the age of 30?  It just makes no sense to me.  It’s not even like I’m criticizing the Bills’ FO because it’s a move they haven’t even made.  I’m criticizing the idea of a theoretical move that strikes me as being a bad idea.

[julian]

Don’t be surprised folks, there’s not going to be many KC fans who want to see Justin Simmons on the Bills lol.

 

[WMDman]

49 minutes ago, Billl said:

I’m using AJ to illustrate that there is no consistency in their plan (if they turn around and sign Simmons which I don’t believe they will).  Floyd was old, but he was super productive.  They chose to pay AJ who is young but unproductive instead.  That’s fine if they’re committed to getting younger, but if they’re going to pick up Justin Simmons after trading a 3rd round pick for a 29 year old Rasul Douglas then letting a 24 year old Gabe Davis walk, then clearly that’s not their commitment.

how is there no consistency, since McD took over they have kept their own (dion, tre, josh,  milano, taron,ed oliver, dawson, bass). while also adding vets cole beasley was 29, john brown was 28, feliciano 27, daryl williams 28 daquan 30. 

 

all who have heavily contributed or had career years, as far as AJE vs Floyd youre acting as if AJ had 3 sacks and signed some huuuge deal. AJ had 6.5 sacks compared to 10, aj also had 7 TFLs to Floyds 9. AJ played 200 less snaps and is 6 years older so something tells me if this was the chiefs you would be parading around telling anybody in earshot what a masterful decision it was by reid/veach

 

yes Von has been somewhat disappointing, great pre acl/awful since but I commend BB for swinging for the fences and as far as Douglas goes he was by far our best boundary CB 

 

not every FA signing is a home run. shocker. 

 

*edit* also by your logic the pats shouldnt have traded for moss because they just drafted a WR in the second round the year before. they didnt win the SB when he was there either, what a inconsistent move. because you know everything is as black and white as that right?

Edited March 12 by WMDman
spelling is hard at midnight

[Special K]

31 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

  That person intentionally posts fake news to “cause chaos”

 

That sounds like 90% of Twitter!💩

[Special K]

Has there been any updates on Simmons??

 

I’d love for the Bills be in the mix.

[BBFL]

11 minutes ago, Special K said:

Has there been any updates on Simmons??

 

I’d love for the Bills be in the mix.

Believe the last talk was Tennessee and Philadelphia. I’m sure there are others. 

[Dillenger4]

On 3/11/2024 at 11:22 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

why on earth not?  Simmons has the most INT’s in the NFL since 2016 and Rasul is a takeaway machine as well. We’re trying to win.

Exactly! I agree 100%.

We lost Poyer, Hyde, Dane Jackson, S. Neal, L. Floyd.

 

we kept/gained: AJ Ep, D. Jones, new LB from Philly Morrow.

 

We NEED defense boys! Simmons would be a BIG AWESOME GET!!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 3/11/2024 at 11:12 PM, Billl said:

Absolutely not.  I would draft a rookie and let him play.  Hyde was a terrific player at one point in his career, but he’s completely shot.    The only thing that matters for the Bills is the postseason.  Why would you waste 25% of a rookie contract that could be used getting him game reps during the regular season in preparation just to trot the corpse of Micah Hyde out for another season?

 

Well i think the point is... the corpse of micah hyde is better than the rookie.  Therefore increasing the chances of winning vs. losing.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

The fact that a guy like Simmons hasn't signed often means he's got good offers, but isn't crazy about that team, holding out hoping to make deal work in his desired location.  And usually also means desired location has some level of interest too.