How are we feeling about Elam?

[nedboy7]

He is our CB3.  He will be fine. 

[nosejob]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

My gut says traded. 

To who and for what?

[LarryMadman]

Dude was hurt all year, if healthy he competes for CB1

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

49 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

I am feeling stressed 

Oh, you're stressed! 😳

11 minutes ago, nosejob said:

To who and for what?

Any other CB3, or a Juggs machine and a case of athletic tape.  Your opinions may vary.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Feels like a bust so far but at the same time I would like to see him play more.  He just seems like "not a scheme fit" and maybe should be traded.

Obviously based on his skill set and our scheme this was an awful pick. We don't play enough man to justify his snap count. And clearly they're struggling to teach him zone. McDuffie would've been perfect if KC hadn't snagged him?

Edited March 7 by LABILLBACKER

[Sweats]

First off, we should have never drafted him and secondly Trade, Trade, Trade......get him outta here.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, nosejob said:

To who and for what?

 

A team that plays much more man. And for something like a 5th that becomes a 4th if he hits certain indicators. Ravens feels like a possible given they have guys like Darby and Ya-Sin as impending FAs but hard to say until post FA and the draft.

 

I suspect this is an end of camp trade btw rather than anything in the short term.

 

[somnus00]

Let's see how our new DC and db coaches see him. He's an athletic, studious young man who has shown big moment ability. I'm looking forward to seeing how he develops.

[Gugny]

[Einstein]

58 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I have heard the whispers that he was being held back because he was in John Butler's doghouse, not McDermott's.

 

I highly doubt this rumor is true.

 

What kind of head coach would McDermott be if he let a CB coach keep his 1st round pick on the sideline for 2 years.

 

Just sounds absurd.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I highly doubt this rumor is true.

 

What kind of head coach would McDermott be if he let a CB coach keep his 1st round pick on the sideline for 2 years.

 

Just sounds absurd.

 

I don't think the rumour is literally that Butler was saying to McDermott "don't play this guy, he sucks" but more that the relationship between Butler and Elam was restricting his development. That is more believable because players spend the most time with their position coaches and if that relationship breaks down it is a problem. 

 

That isn't me saying I believe the rumour by the way.... or that I think it is the real reason Elam hasn't worked out. I don't think he has worked out because the issues he had on tape in transition in college are there when you see him play in the NFL too and this scheme really shows those weaknesses up. They took a chance on their ability to "fix" it because the physical potential was so high. It hasn't worked. 

[In Summary]

1) Good enough as a backup and playing on affordable rookie contract

        or

2) Showcase him in the first pre-season game and trade him

[Success]

He's 22.  I think he's the next one that some fans called a bust, but then broke out (Oliver, Epenesa, Bernard, et al.)

 

[julian]

I watch him on the field make plays and wonder what he is or isn’t doing inside the building to cause his lack of opportunity.

 

 Elam’s position coach is replaced and stories of him and Elam not getting along surface, and it’s starting to make sense.

 

 I don’t have a good handle on Elam’s ability to start week to week because we haven’t seen it, I do know he makes plays in big games.

[Sweats]

16 minutes ago, Success said:

He's 22.  I think he's the next one that some fans called a bust, but then broke out (Oliver, Epenesa, Bernard, et al.)

 

 

 

 

 

I just don't think he is a guy you can consistently have at the position in big games.

[nosejob]

43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

A team that plays much more man. And for something like a 5th that becomes a 4th if he hits certain indicators. Ravens feels like a possible given they have guys like Darby and Ya-Sin as impending FAs but hard to say until post FA and the draft.

 

I suspect this is an end of camp trade btw rather than anything in the short term.

 

So you're saying trade for a 2025 pick. I think it's too early for them to give up on a 1st rd. pick from a PR standpoint. I also believe he'll make the 53.

 

I don't see them going FA at both safety and CB. I'm no fan of Cam Lewis so maybe they pick up 2 safeties. Pay up for one (Stone?) and maybe reunite Rapp with Jordan Fuller. I think they're gonna be able to pick a good one as well.

 

I think a day 3 CB, 1 or 2 picks, one being a slot/nickel type. Douglas/ Benford  Jackson/Elam and T.J. and hopefully hit another Alex Austin or 2.

Edited March 7 by nosejob

[BananaB]

Feel like he hardly sees the field so it’s hard to judge. Oddly he has made big plays in some of our biggest games. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, nosejob said:

So you're saying trade for a 2025 pick. I think it's too early for them to give up on a 1st rd. pick from a PR standpoint. I also believe he'll make the 53.

 

 

Yes, I am. Is that any worse than continuing to have him not on the field from a PR perspective? I just suspect they will come to the conclusion by the end of camp that it isn't going to work out. Last camp they gave him first crack at starting and he ended up 3rd in a 3 man race. I don't think he can play in this defense. My gut feeling is that will be staring everyone in the face by the end of camp. 

[nosejob]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes, I am. Is that any worse than continuing to have him not on the field from a PR perspective? I just suspect they will come to the conclusion by the end of camp that it isn't going to work out. Last camp they gave him first crack at starting and he ended up 3rd in a 3 man race. I don't think he can play in this defense. My gut feeling is that will be staring everyone in the face by the end of camp. 

You may end up being right, but I think we'll see a similar story like the Bernard thing last year.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The whole situation smells like another McD screw up. The guy was injured but instead of putting him on IR they let him languish with no announcement and just sit him every week until they finally put him on IR.

Maybe the player hid the injury which is stupid if true. 

Probably has as much raw talent as any CB on the team. 

As with all things I dont trust McDermott at all and place the blame with him until proven otherwise. I would not be surprised if he sits again while we suffer another year of this clown HC.