TD716 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Bring in a NT , forget about this rotation bringing in fringe DT at crucial points in the game 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 8 Posted March 8 25 minutes ago, TD716 said: Bring in a NT , forget about this rotation bringing in fringe DT at crucial points in the game That is the modern NFL. DTs don't play 80/90% of the snaps anymore. 2 Quote
TD716 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is the modern NFL. DTs don't play 80/90% of the snaps anymore. Agreed but to put settle or ford in at critical times is a mistake just because their rotation time is up. Need a legit run stopper on obvious rush downs early. Also , with Epenesa in the game offensive coordinators ran to his side it seemed like most of the time Quote
Motorin' Posted March 8 Posted March 8 40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is the modern NFL. DTs don't play 80/90% of the snaps anymore. That's why drafting a 3T to backup Oliver doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be relegated to 20-30% of snaps. If he's the 2nd best interior pass rusher he's going to lining up next to big Ed is passing situations. With that said, a true 1T to backup (hopefully) DeQuan Jones would be nice to have as well. Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 8 Posted March 8 25 minutes ago, Motorin' said: That's why drafting a 3T to backup Oliver doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be relegated to 20-30% of snaps. If he's the 2nd best interior pass rusher he's going to lining up next to big Ed is passing situations. With that said, a true 1T to backup (hopefully) DeQuan Jones would be nice to have as well. I am not against drafting a 3T. I just don't think you can spend #28 on one in a position where our best defensive player last year plays. You can take one later. 2 2 1 Quote
NewEra Posted March 8 Posted March 8 38 minutes ago, TD716 said: Agreed but to put settle or ford in at critical times is a mistake just because their rotation time is up. Need a legit run stopper on obvious rush downs early. Also , with Epenesa in the game offensive coordinators ran to his side it seemed like most of the time If a guy is tired and out of gas, you put in their backup. That’s football. NTs tire much faster than other positions. Quote
Motorin' Posted March 8 Posted March 8 45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am not against drafting a 3T. I just don't think you can spend #28 on one in a position where our best defensive player last year plays. You can take one later. Makes since, if it's not a wr at 28 it has to be a premium position of need who also happens to be BPA. Quote
TD716 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Top 1T or NT at 28. The top rated ones at these positions should be available where we pick. I see the top rated safety/ center being available at 28 also. We need a #2 receiver to become a number one receiver soon but we aren’t finding one at 28. There will be a run on receiver and we will have the choice of the 7th or 8th best receiver in the draft (project) 3 Quote
Chaos Posted March 9 Posted March 9 17 hours ago, The Red King said: Wasn't Oliver being double-teamed b/c whatever the rest of the line was, wasn't doing jack? Real hard to get to the QB when the O can just focus on one guy. I am not saying Oliver isn't a decent player, he is. But he is not a difference maker that overcomes obstacles to make plays no matter what. Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 9 Posted March 9 5 hours ago, TD716 said: Top 1T or NT at 28. The top rated ones at these positions should be available where we pick. I see the top rated safety/ center being available at 28 also. We need a #2 receiver to become a number one receiver soon but we aren’t finding one at 28. There will be a run on receiver and we will have the choice of the 7th or 8th best receiver in the draft (project) It's not just the top player at a particular position, but the positional value. And if it's a deep draft at WR, the 7th or 8th receiver may be the 3rd or 4th best in an ordinary draft. Regardless, WR, Edge, LT, CB are the expensive positions you spend a first rounder on, and QB, of course, if you lack a franchise QB. Look at all the quality veteran safeties available in free agency. It's not a position it makes sense to spend a first rounder on. 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am not against drafting a 3T. I just don't think you can spend #28 on one in a position where our best defensive player last year plays. You can take one later. 0% chance they take a 3T round 1 A tweener 1-3T round 4-7 is more likely Someone who can line up at 1T and generate pass rush with Oliver in passing situations 2 Quote
davefan66 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 On 3/8/2024 at 8:31 AM, John from Riverside said: Absolutely need a strong line we have undersized linebackers Bernard played very well last year. Played larger than he is. Milano should be back and hopefully back to close to where he was. Would love to have a strong dline. Remains to be seen who we sign. DaQuan Jones will be missed. 1 1 Quote
TD716 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 16 hours ago, Dr. Who said: It's not just the top player at a particular position, but the positional value. And if it's a deep draft at WR, the 7th or 8th receiver may be the 3rd or 4th best in an ordinary draft. Regardless, WR, Edge, LT, CB are the expensive positions you spend a first rounder on, and QB, of course, if you lack a franchise QB. Look at all the quality veteran safeties available in free agency. It's not a position it makes sense to spend a first rounder on. It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, TD716 said: It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center Kincaid is not a conventional TE. Beane called him a flex, but he's really a hybrid big slot. And worth the pick. I don't see anyone at the positions you are recommending who is likely to be of more value than the top WR left on their board. And in general, you spend the high draft picks on the positions that are expensive to fill in free agency. Beane is not going to jump a round to grab the top NT, and I doubt he's got a first round grade on Sweat, for instance. 1 Quote
TD716 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: Kincaid is not a conventional TE. Beane called him a flex, but he's really a hybrid big slot. And worth the pick. I don't see anyone at the positions you are recommending who is likely to be of more value than the top WR left on their board. And in general, you spend the high draft picks on the positions that are expensive to fill in free agency. Beane is not going to jump a round to grab the top NT, and I doubt he's got a first round grade on Sweat, for instance. Jackson powers low first grade best at his position center. versatile which the bills like. Kincaid is a TE and will be paid like one. Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, TD716 said: Jackson powers low first grade best at his position center. versatile which the bills like. Kincaid is a TE and will be paid like one. I like Jackson Powers. I doubt that happens, but it would be interesting. Doesn't change the fact that draft strategy in the first is typically driven by positional value. I was one of the few who was arguing for Kincaid months before the draft, btw. You can look it up if you're particularly bored. It was a weak WR draft, and he is a playmaker. We still need more of them, especially at WR. 2 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 9 Posted March 9 4 hours ago, davefan66 said: Bernard played very well last year. Played larger than he is. Milano should be back and hopefully back to close to where he was. Would love to have a strong dline. Remains to be seen who we sign. DaQuan Jones will be missed. I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 9 Posted March 9 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader. 1 more day until we can make Chris Jones an offer😎 Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 9 Posted March 9 15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader. That would be a great move. 3 or 4 years younger than Jones as well. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted March 9 Posted March 9 3 hours ago, TD716 said: It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center Rousseau is pretty dam good 1 2 Quote
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