Von Miller takes pay cut

[QCity]

I certainly did not see this coming, especially not from Von.

 

Fix the thread title, it is wrong.

[NoSaint]

10 minutes ago, gordong said:

pretty sure Rapp is taking Poyers spot as one of the starting safeties. 

which as a floor is not great but not a catastrophic drop. 
 

Really safety and center are of the most manageable holes to fill so those don’t worry me. We already replaced tre
 

WR and if we can find a little juice on the DL are the two big questions. Kincaid should help with the pass catching question even if WR2 isn’t an instant hit. 
 

it’s really not a terrible spot even with the moves today.

[4thandGoal]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

Von Miller is a washed up NFL football player that is a distraction. If Von Miller was a team player he should retire. The Buffalo Bills should have never signed him. Von Miller should have been released today he has no value as a NFL player anymore and certainly can’t help

the Bills other than sitting on his but with a Bills jacket wrapped around himself playing sparely. At least the Chuck Knox over the hill 1980’s Buffalo Bills players like Conrad Dobler had some professional pride and gave the 1980 Bills something. Von Miller has given the Bills nothing total waste of a Bills roster spot. I don’t want to hear about Von Miller’s knee Conrad Dobler had bad knees without the medical technology we have today to repair his knee. Suck it and play Von Miller or retire in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Some one is very grumpy....  Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?    Everyone deals with injuries different---  Von is not the only one that has taken his time with an injury and your idol Conrad Dobler was perhaps one of a few 

[Richard Noggin]

17 minutes ago, gordong said:

pretty sure Rapp is taking Poyers spot as one of the starting safeties. 

 

5 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

That's a pretty safe assumption, and something we saw in the works as last season progressed. Many here have agreed that Rapp's performance seemed to stabilize as he saw more reps down the stretch. Not sure yet how the stats align with this perception, but my own late season observations agree. (I was in the stadium for the last two games, especially, so can't comment meaningfully on those without doing some research. SO difficult to keep up with the minutiae in person.)

 

So it turns out Rapp was inactive for both playoff games?! I guess I remember that now that I've reminded myself via PFR, but how does that align with this recent re-signing?? Someone help me make sense of that super incongruent timeline.

[Mr. WEO]

This signing never made sense.  This guy is at his tail end, won 2 rings with 2 teams….what was his motivation joining the Bills, other than the money?

 

 

[Draconator]

8 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

Some one is very grumpy....  Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?    Everyone deals with injuries different---  Von is not the only one that has taken his time with an injury and your idol Conrad Dobler was perhaps one of a few 

@Buffalo Super Fan is a known troll. He only posts to gain attention. 

[boyst]

Could Knox be next? 👀

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

@Buffalo Super Fan is a known troll. He only posts to gain attention. 

I sort of figured it was a bot with terrible grammar.

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

I sort of figured it was a bot with terrible grammar.

that too

[HomeTeam]

3 hours ago, sven233 said:

I don't want to hear one time this season that Von isn't a team player. He didn't have to do this. This is a team first move all the way. Immediate cap savings and he is betting on himself which means he'll be going all out every snap to try & make plays to hit those incentives.

Yea, he had been the whipping dog around here lately but this speaks volumes on making things right. I will be rooting for him even more this year! 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

that too

Troll bots are the worst. 

[billsfan89]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This signing never made sense.  This guy is at his tail end, won 2 rings with 2 teams….what was his motivation joining the Bills, other than the money?

 

 

Von was great in 2022 until the somewhat freak injury. And even though he was worthless in 2023 on field he was a big reason why Floyd who was the teams best edge rusher signed on a team friendly deal. The fact that Von reworked his deal is a big positive in my opinion. Hopefully a year further removed from injury he it is at least possible that he can be a contributor this upcoming season. 
 

It was definitely a “win now” move but at least Von is willing to be flexible on his deal.

[HomeTeam]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree.  Beane doesn't play the game from the sideline.  He's always in the fight, so there will be some big deals, for sure.  There might be a trade up in the first round.  It could be anything.  

 

 

I hope he's learned from the past, I really did not like the Von signing when we made it. 

 

He's has an opportunity to do a soft reset here and have another crack at it. I'm curious how he's going to pivot his approach since their mantra is constantly growing. 

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

Von was great in 2022 until the somewhat freak injury. And even though he was worthless in 2023 on field he was a big reason why Floyd who was the teams best edge rusher signed on a team friendly deal. The fact that Von reworked his deal is a big positive in my opinion. Hopefully a year further removed from injury he it is at least possible that he can be a contributor this upcoming season. 
 

It was definitely a “win now” move but at least Von is willing to be flexible on his deal.

vons alternative was to be cut, be signed to a meager deal and look bad 

 

this was simply a good business decision for both sides in the midst of a bad set of alternatives for each 

[bills6969]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

If they are considered “likely to be reached” incentives, they count towards the current year.  “Unlikely to be reached” incentives count towards the following season if they are reached.  Incentives are considered likely to be reached if the player would have earned it the previous season.  In Von’s case, an example of “likely to be reached” would be something like putting his shoes on the correct feet or pooping in the potty.

ok, thanks.  Assuming these incentives are all “likely to be reached” how does this deal result in cap savings when they are going to count toward current year anyway?

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

vons alternative was to be cut, be signed to a meager deal and look bad 

 

this was simply a good business decision for both sides in the midst of a bad set of alternatives for each 

Yup, if he had to go out into the market on last year's tape he'd be looking at a small one year prove it deal at best and he and his representation knew it.  This way he makes more money, saves some face, and gets to spin it as being team friendly

1 minute ago, bills6969 said:

ok, thanks.  Assuming these incentives are all “likely to be reached” how does this deal result in cap savings when they are going to count toward current year anyway?

I doubt they are all "likely to be reached".  More like, "possible to be reached if the player isn't washed or broken".

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Yup, if he had to go out into the market on last year's tape he'd be looking at a small one year prove it deal at best and he and his representation knew it.  This way he makes more money, saves some face, and gets to spin it as being team friendly

I doubt they are all "likely to be reached".  More like, "possible to be reached if the player isn't washed or broken".

and truly, I’m good with that. Happy they could find the best of the bad paths forward

 

but I think it was in easy alignment for both sides - not particularly generous of von or cunning of beane. Just the best option for each party happening to match in a bad situation. 

[CA OC Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

vons alternative was to be cut, be signed to a meager deal and look bad 

 

this was simply a good business decision for both sides in the midst of a bad set of alternatives for each 

This is not correct. The cap hit to cut was more than leaving him on the roster. Miller was more going to be cut. He accepted a pay cut which only favors the Bills unless possibly of he reaches incentives. I'd guess he believes in himself and expects to meet them. 

[Warriorspikes51]

44 minutes ago, boyst said:

Could Knox be next? 👀

hmm you live in Nashville right? Knox and his family are there aren’t they?  It would be quite something if he reworked it after just signing last year

Edited March 7 by Warriorspikes51

[GoBills!]

Giants are asking Beane to call Daniel Jones and redo his deal as well. If successful we get a 3rd round pick 

33 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

vons alternative was to be cut, be signed to a meager deal and look bad 

 

this was simply a good business decision for both sides in the midst of a bad set of alternatives for each 

Wonder if any language about off field conduct suspension played a factor, that was a big out for us and all the money.