Quandre Diggs, Jamal Adams - Released from Seattle

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Adams is a Poyer alternative so unless Jordan is cut I don't see it. But hopefully yet another guy on the market pushes a better option's value down for us.

 

We need a FS really.

 

Poyer has a bum elbow now, but he does show up and play.  Guy drove 12 hours to a game because he couldn't fly, and played.  I think he's better in coverage too.  Adams probably sheds better as a box safety, and was always a solid tackler.  

[Dablitzkrieg]

No and No

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him.

It's not a pleasant thought but I've been seriously considering the same. Poyer has very obviously lost a step. He and Hyde counted as $15 M total their first year, and with some of the AAV projections I've seen that number seems very doable if we cut Poyer for a third of it. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

It's not a pleasant thought but I've been seriously considering the same. Poyer has very obviously lost a step. He and Hyde counted as $15 M total their first year, and with some of the AAV projections I've seen that number seems very doable if we cut Poyer for a third of it. 

 

I'm indifferent - Do i get a better player for the 5M in savings?  It's tough to evaluate.  He's still good, he wants to win, younger isn't always better.  Just depends on the fit and if there is better fits for a different type of defense under babich. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't want us adding any void years to existing contracts on older players this year. It might be painful but I want us using this offseason as a means of getting the cap back in order. I don't want players like Morse or Poyer still on the books in 2025 for any amount of money.

 

If Poyer accepts a pay cut I would be okay with that. I just don't see any way he is worth a $7.7M cap hit, not with an extremely deep safety market.

 

I still think he is worth that money. Especially if you can knock a mill or two onto next year's cap.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

19 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I'm indifferent - Do i get a better player for the 5M in savings?  It's tough to evaluate.  He's still good, he wants to win, younger isn't always better.  Just depends on the fit and if there is better fits for a different type of defense under babich. 

 

I'm still on a maybe. Continuity is still something important. I would much prefer a vet and a high draft pick at safety, but that requires figuring out our WR, DL and CB situation first and Beane is poker face on about those. As he should, it's just maddening for fans in the final week before we really see what the shape of the team looks like.

[DrMaxPower]

Wild that Seattle was on opposite ends of 2 of the worst trades in recent history. Adams trade was awful even if he'd been healthy. Such an overrated player.

[Goin Breakdown]

Ok now thank you for not making a "Diggs Released" title. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He costs $2m regardless. So unless you think you can upgrade Poyer for $5.7m AAV (I think there is next to no chance) then it doesn't make sense to me. I'd do a dummy year, lower hit this year push a couple of mill out into 2025 and bring him back. He was fine last year. He was still an above average starting safey and played well in the dime role too.

 

 

I will add to that I absolutely think Poyer could get 1 year - $5-6m - on the open market which is what the Bills are actually paying him cash terms this year. So not sure there is an incentive for him to take a paycut. Hence do a little restructure and kick a small amont of money (like $2m) into a void year is the play for me.

[gonzo1105]

I’d make a play on Geno Stone. Don’t know if we can afford him. If not Darnell Savage. 
 

Loved Stone coming out but he’s only 24 and might be one of the high paid guys to go off the market. 

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him.

He could also agree to take a pay cut and stay back for $3M thereby saving as from any cap hit

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Adams is a Poyer alternative so unless Jordan is cut I don't see it. But hopefully yet another guy on the market pushes a better option's value down for us.

 

We need a FS really.

Agree. Adams can provide run support and the occasional safety blitz. McD rarely blitzes his safeties. He's really poor in coverage. 

Terrible fit for Bills.

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't want us adding any void years to existing contracts on older players this year. It might be painful but I want us using this offseason as a means of getting the cap back in order. I don't want players like Morse or Poyer still on the books in 2025 for any amount of money.

 

If Poyer accepts a pay cut I would be okay with that. I just don't see any way he is worth a $7.7M cap hit, not with an extremely deep safety market.

Why ? The cap might go up another 10% next year. Win now at all costs. 

If you want to help the cap next year I'd  cut White this year not Poyer. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Just reading these comments shows the football intelligence of Bills fans. Nobody like them ❤️

[John from Riverside]

Draft draft draft

[Captain Hindsight]

9 hours ago, wppete said:

Jamal Adams is constantly hurt and is a massive Diva. Not worth it. 

He’s this generations Whitner

[Zag20]

7 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Ok now thank you for not making a "Diggs Released" title. 

Josh Allen to Jags, Diggs released

[colin]

mccoach obv hates starting or even playing rookies on D.  there have been a couple exceptions, but that's the theme.

 

based on that, and the fact that i presume tre is gone and douglas, elam, and benford will be getting a ton of burn, we have a fairly young secondary.  i'd expect a rookie safety paired with poyer (maybe on a cut, maybe on a restructure, i dunno) to be the most likely outcome.

 

similarly on the DL, i think we sign at least 2 FA vets (maybe even 3) and draft 2-3 guys and play the vets more, at least until it is blindingly obvious that the rookies are better than the vets.