Awful Mock Drafts

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-rounds-of-march-madness/

 

Would you guys be happy with this mock? 

 

He has us trading up from #28 to #20 with Pittsburgh.  To move up it cost our first this year, 2nd this year and first next year. 

 

He has us selecting WR Xavier Worthy with the 20th selection. 

 

And Pittsburgh signs Brian Thomas Jr with the 28th pick...

[PBF81]

It might be time for our staff to recognize that hitting on edge-rushers in rounds one and two hasn't been their forte.  

 

 

[dave mcbride]

On 3/6/2024 at 1:10 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

We have TRIED to invest in the pass rush to stop Mahomes. A 2nd on Epenesa, 2nd on Basham, 1st on Rousseau, 1st on Oliver, sizable contracts for Floyd, Ford, Settle and Phillips. We have Von a MASSIVE contract. When can we agree that loading up there has NOT worked to ass KC? That’s 4 straight years that they have advanced further. 
 

I agree that the pass rush is important. NOTHING is more important than giving Josh Allen weapons. If this team is going to win a title it will be BECAUSE of Josh Allen. Give him everything that he needs to try to outgun teams. The fact that the Bills have resisted for this long is maddening. If you have an elite fastball, don’t spend so much time working on your curve. Make you elite fastball faster. Play to YOUR strength and stop reacting to your opponents!! Make them keep up with you and stop trying to keep them close. It hasn’t worked.

Well ... the pass rush basically won the 2022 regular season for us game in KC. Miller was a beast in that game and forced the final pick. 

[Kirby Jackson]

19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Well ... the pass rush basically won the 2022 regular season for us game in KC. Miller was a beast in that game and forced the final pick. 

It did. The Bills have given up 33 PPG to KC in the playoffs (at least I think that’s the number). There’s no reason to believe a larger investment there improves it at all. It’s a scheme problem more than a talent problem defensively. 
 

If, big IF, the Bills are going to win a Super Bowl it is because of Josh Allen. Let’s call it what it is and stop pretending it’s anything else. Elite QBs are the biggest reason for Super Bowl titles. We have one!! Let’s not hope that he elevates Kumerow or Sherfield or Benjamin, Isabella or whatever other trash WRs we surround him with. Let’s give him an elite player on the outside and create the best offense in football. Let’s have everyone keep up with us. Let’s be the 2013 Broncos or the Greatest Show on Turf Rams. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It did. The Bills have given up 33 PPG to KC in the playoffs (at least I think that’s the number). There’s no reason to believe a larger investment there improves it at all. It’s a scheme problem more than a talent problem defensively. 
 

If, big IF, the Bills are going to win a Super Bowl it is because of Josh Allen. Let’s call it what it is and stop pretending it’s anything else. Elite QBs are the biggest reason for Super Bowl titles. We have one!! Let’s not hope that he elevates Kumerow or Sherfield or Benjamin, Isabella or whatever other trash WRs we surround him with. Let’s give him an elite player on the outside and create the best offense in football. Let’s have everyone keep up with us. Let’s be the 2013 Broncos or the Greatest Show on Turf Rams. 

 

 

I agree wholeheartedly.   It's largely a scheme issue with McDermott against the Chiefs in the playoffs.   Doesn't help that the Chiefs get a practice run against the Bills D in the regular season every year to hone their skill against it.   We've become the 2010's Steelers going against the Patriots.   The Steelers would seem to be more talented but they were all about zone defense and Brady would just pick them apart when it mattered.  

 

The Chiefs are more multiple on D so the Bills offense doesn't gain nearly as much from playing them in the regular season.   I think McD is aware of this shortcoming in his game(that's why he wanted Elam, IMO) but hasn't proven he can do better.    It would be great to have our own Chris Jones........that level of player might be enough to get it done.........but short of an elite superstar pass rusher I don't have any faith that other improvements will.

 

So lean into what you KNOW can be great.   That's Allen.   He is capable of producing perfect offensive games in the playoffs.   Give him the tools to do so and then hopefully somewhere along the line Babich proves capable of getting some stops against KC/Cincy in the playoffs.   

[mannc]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It did. The Bills have given up 33 PPG to KC in the playoffs (at least I think that’s the number). There’s no reason to believe a larger investment there improves it at all. It’s a scheme problem more than a talent problem defensively. 
 

If, big IF, the Bills are going to win a Super Bowl it is because of Josh Allen. Let’s call it what it is and stop pretending it’s anything else. Elite QBs are the biggest reason for Super Bowl titles. We have one!! Let’s not hope that he elevates Kumerow or Sherfield or Benjamin, Isabella or whatever other trash WRs we surround him with. Let’s give him an elite player on the outside and create the best offense in football. Let’s have everyone keep up with us. Let’s be the 2013 Broncos or the Greatest Show on Turf Rams. 

It's also an officiating problem...referees simply do not call offensive holding in the playoffs (especially against the Chiefs), so when it most matters, they are able neutralize all that expensive edge rush talent that you stocked up on in the draft and in free agency...

Edited March 26 by mannc

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

It might be time for our staff to recognize that hitting on edge-rushers in rounds one and two hasn't been their forte.  

 

 

 

Groot and AJE aren't busts they aren't home run selections but they aren't bad players either. The only true "bust" they drafted high was Boogie. I wouldn't hate an edge rusher in round 1 or 2. My preference in the first two rounds of the draft is just get the most talented player at either side of the line or at WR. Just don't draft a safety (which while is somewhat of a need is not as pressing or impactful and I think depth can be had there later in the draft) or any other position that is not a glaring need or only a depth need like RB or CB.

[947]

4 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-rounds-of-march-madness/

 

Would you guys be happy with this mock? 

 

He has us trading up from #28 to #20 with Pittsburgh.  To move up it cost our first this year, 2nd this year and first next year. 

 

He has us selecting WR Xavier Worthy with the 20th selection. 

 

And Pittsburgh signs Brian Thomas Jr with the 28th pick...

I would be at 1 Bills Drive with a pitchfork before Goodell finished with the announcement.

 

Worthy is not a first round talent, he's the next Mecole Hardman. If we gave up two 1st rounders & a 2nd when we could've just drafted a much better player at #28, I imagine most Bills fans would join me.

[billsbackto81]

4 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-rounds-of-march-madness/

 

Would you guys be happy with this mock? 

 

He has us trading up from #28 to #20 with Pittsburgh.  To move up it cost our first this year, 2nd this year and first next year. 

 

He has us selecting WR Xavier Worthy with the 20th selection. 

 

And Pittsburgh signs Brian Thomas Jr with the 28th pick...

Hate it.

 

Who knows what will happen future wise but to me Worthy is John Ross 2.0

 

Trading up and bypassing Thomas Jr. to me would be upsetting. 

 

[PBF81]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Well ... the pass rush basically won the 2022 regular season for us game in KC. Miller was a beast in that game and forced the final pick. 

 

It's the playoffs where the issues are however.

 

 

[PBF81]

50 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Groot and AJE aren't busts they aren't home run selections but they aren't bad players either. The only true "bust" they drafted high was Boogie. I wouldn't hate an edge rusher in round 1 or 2. My preference in the first two rounds of the draft is just get the most talented player at either side of the line or at WR. Just don't draft a safety (which while is somewhat of a need is not as pressing or impactful and I think depth can be had there later in the draft) or any other position that is not a glaring need or only a depth need like RB or CB.

 

No, they weren't busts, but they also weren't what Beane was hoping for our advertised after the drafts, and certainly aren't consistently reliable, and Groot has a below-pedestrian 1 Sack, 1 TFL, and 3 QB-Hits in 6 playoffs games.

 

AJE's even worse with 0 Sacks, 1 TFL, and 2 QB-Hits in 8 playoff games.  Unlike Groot though, he hasn't had many snaps.  Still, given that he hasn't, McD, as people here say all the time, knows what we don't know.  Otherwise it would be remiss not too play him more.  

 

 

[billsfan89]

19 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

No, they weren't busts, but they also weren't what Beane was hoping for our advertised after the drafts, and certainly aren't consistently reliable, and Groot has a below-pedestrian 1 Sack, 1 TFL, and 3 QB-Hits in 6 playoffs games.

 

AJE's even worse with 0 Sacks, 1 TFL, and 2 QB-Hits in 8 playoff games.  Unlike Groot though, he hasn't had many snaps.  Still, given that he hasn't, McD, as people here say all the time, knows what we don't know.  Otherwise it would be remiss not too play him more.  

 

 

 

My point is that out of the 3 DE selections they made in the first two rounds they were able to find productive players at 2 of those picks so there's no need to think that they should arbitrarily stay away from the position in the first two rounds if they feel there is a very good DE at either pick. 

 

 

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

My point is that out of the 3 DE selections they made in the first two rounds they were able to find productive players at 2 of those picks so there's no need to think that they should arbitrarily stay away from the position in the first two rounds if they feel there is a very good DE at either pick. 

 

Well, the general topic started with edge-rush/pass-rush.  

 

My point is that at 30th overall Groot hasn't exactly owned up to late 1st-round status.  At 61st Basham was all but a bust.  At 56th AJE's been decent in a rotational role, but hardly impressive and far from some late 2nd-round "steal" as some here insisted at the time.  Oliver, DT, but billed as a pass-rushing specialist DT, was also no great shakes at 9th overall and hasn't lived up to that either.  

 

That's all I'm saying.  Rather than Beane using a pick to get talent that can otherwise be gotten in later rounds, and again, assuming that his pattern doesn't change, given the needs we have elsewhere, may not be the wisest use of our 1st.  

 

In the '20 Draft for example, 5 players drafted after AJE, most way after, have posted better stats than AJE.  And let's not get into the yeah, but his stats don't accurately reflect his value nonsense.  AJE was drafted 54th and has 15.5 career stats, none in 8 playoff games.  Danna drafted by KC at 177th has 17;  Uche drafted at 60th has 18.5;  Wonnum drafted at 117th has 23;  Greenard drafted at 90th has 23;  and Highsmith drafted at 102nd has 29.5.  

 

Ours are all good depending upon the definition of good, none great, but most importantly, none show up with even the remotest of consistency in the playoffs.  They all pull a disappearing act.  

 

If you're argument is that for some reason you think that the fifth time's going to be the charm, great, but I'll respectfully disagree as that makes little sense to me.  

 

 

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

So lean into what you KNOW can be great.   That's Allen.   He is capable of producing perfect offensive games in the playoffs.   Give him the tools to do so and then hopefully somewhere along the line Babich proves capable of getting some stops against KC/Cincy in the playoffs.   

 

Agree, and that really is the only logical primary approach.  

 

At some point this team with it's 1st, 2nd, and 4th ranked defenses and Allen, needs to beat something better than a wild-card team in the playoffs.  

 

Either way, if what you said above does not occur, then what?  

 

 

[BigAl2526]

15 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-rounds-of-march-madness/

 

Would you guys be happy with this mock? 

 

He has us trading up from #28 to #20 with Pittsburgh.  To move up it cost our first this year, 2nd this year and first next year. 

 

He has us selecting WR Xavier Worthy with the 20th selection. 

 

And Pittsburgh signs Brian Thomas Jr with the 28th pick...

This mock is far worse than the Bills drafting Latu at #22.  If Beane actually does that, he should be fired before the start of round 2. 

[RyanC883]

the recently posted mock is the worst. trading up for a worse/one trick WR while a potential franchise WR goes at 28. 

[ndirish1978]

I would be thrilled with that trade up for a DE

[BigDingus]

I wish there was more interest in reviewing previous mock drafts to see who was most accurate and over how many years.

 

Every knows Kiper, McShay, Florio, etc. but they're very rarely accurate. While I was typing this comment, I decided to search 2023 mock drafts & found an article reviewing mocks! - https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2023/5/1/23706510/nfl-mock-draft-grades-2023-accuracy-football-grading-scores-will-levis

 

Using Kiper's mock from 2023, he got 1 pick correct. ONE. He did get a decent amount correct in regards to players drafted in the 1st round, but overall he was just middle of the pack. The person who scored highest was Albert Breer from Sports Illustrated.

 

Unfortunately, I couldn't find an available 2024 mock from him yet, so I checked the #2 Charlie Campbell's (Walter Football) mock, and he has the Bills taking Xavier Worthy.

 

And since he said the Bills are taking a WR, which is what I wanted to hear, I agree with his take!