Ryan Bates traded

[Process]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

I don’t agree. Yes LT is the most important position but C is the 2nd most important as they are the brain of the OL. Setting protections and covering those A gaps with how defenses are attacking is very important. 
 

Another poster above alluded to as well how bad Josh was before Morse was here and he has been paramount in Josh’ development. The guard spots to me are the least important on the line 

Guards get paid significantly more than OCs. There were 6 guards that got paid more than the highest paid center last year. That kind of ends the debate. 

[Big Turk]

Beane loading up on draft capital to move around as needed.

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

It is easy to say "how bad Josh was" before Morse got here...doesn't mean the correlation is that Morse getting here was the biggest catalyst to Josh's development when Morse joined Buffalo.  Josh was an ascending QB the moment he last stepped off Wyoming's football field.  Nothing against Morse, but some of you are heaping way too much credit onto Morse for Josh Allens development.  

 

What I really meant (and I believe DJB also meant) was how badly Josh was pass protected (from the center position and as a unit) in year one.

 

I agree, and we all know, that Josh's drive & determination is really the reason that he has become who he is and improved so much from year one to year three.

 

And I am not sure I agree that Josh was an ascending QB the moment he stepped off the Wyoming field. Josh's ascent was quite an unusual improvement in terms of accuracy... very few QBs get more accurate from college to the NFL - - probably the reason there were so many Bills fans (myself included) who wanted Josh Rosen over him on draft day! 😅

 

The moment for me that I knew he was special was not "the leap" and underdog 'W' versus the Vikings, it was the home game vs Miami (the Kyle WIlliams game). He was unstoppable!

[Green Lightning]

13 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

not bad for a guy who didn't miss a snap on the best ol we had in a while and get a high 5th n save cap space for a guy who played 35 snaps last year. 

Our "best in a while" Oline couldn't protect Josh when it mattered against KC. I don't care about the regular season. Morse cannot get us a yard when we need it. And I am not betting we dodge the injury bullet again on the OL.

4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

You are just a bundle of happiness aren’t you 😂

Just watched too many Bills Oline fails in the past 50+ years.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

3 hours ago, Westside said:

Unless our OL gets decimated with injuries, then you’ll wish we still had Bates.

Hey I would have kept him, but it's a whole lot easier to pick up decent backup guards than WR talent in FA

[T master]

This makes 11 draft picks this draft i wonder if Beane will actually use each pick for players or will use them to be like State Farm & bundle them to get a really good insurance policy for Josh 🤔 ??

 

Like a good neighbor the great Beane is there !! 

[Ralonzo]

7 hours ago, DJB said:

Remember when we traded  Wyatt for a late pick? How did that turn out?

 

Not saying Bates is the next Wyatt but man it’s rough to see decent oline guys go

Anderson would be more of a candidate to be the next Teller than Bates.

[DJB]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

It is easy to say "how bad Josh was" before Morse got here...doesn't mean the correlation is that Morse getting here was the biggest catalyst to Josh's development when Morse joined Buffalo.  Josh was an ascending QB the moment he last stepped off Wyoming's football field.  Nothing against Morse, but some of you are heaping way too much credit onto Morse for Josh Allens development.  

 

Its kind of crazy how many people get "credit" for Josh Allens development.  It is talked about as if Josh never would have developed without "X" person and just glosses over Allens insane talent level combined with his commitment, drive, and competitiveness.  All anyone needs to do is watch his first road game as a double digit underdog vs Minnesota to see that what Josh Allen has become was inevitable, he was going to get there one way or another.  

 

Im not saying nobody had a role in his development, but its weird to me that Mahomes, Burrow, Rodgers, etc never get that same statement of how they developed because of so and so, people just accept their talent level as to why they are so good.  With Allen, its never about how talented he is, its alwasy talked about it being because of Daboll, or because he has Diggs, etc etc.  

 

I should have rephrased it to “running for his life”. That was more of the sentiment I was alluding to 

[Don Otreply]

57 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Our "best in a while" Oline couldn't protect Josh when it mattered against KC. I don't care about the regular season. Morse cannot get us a yard when we need it. And I am not betting we dodge the injury bullet again on the OL.

Just watched too many Bills Oline fails in the past 50+ years.

And? 
 

 

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Guards get paid significantly more than OCs. There were 6 guards that got paid more than the highest paid center last year. That kind of ends the debate. 

 

You start 2 guards and only 1 center so there is supply/demand at play in terms of salaries.

[Dablitzkrieg]

15 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

9 anyway.  

😁

 

Let's hope that our OL is injury free again.  It'd be a miracle if that happened.  

 

At some point shorting Allen on OL and WRs is going to be a bad look.  

 

 

You act like Bates is the ONLY capable backup 🤣

[NickelCity]

That's a good trade for the bears. Shame, I don't like losing any OLine talent.

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

The reason you move on from Morse is it frees up cap space to fill holes at more important positions, namely EDGE and WR. $8.5M is significant.

 

Or you can do a short term non-guaranteed extension with some void years in the interim and save $5.01m

 

I'm not saying there's no logic in some of the things you're saying. But releasing him isn't the only way we can save cap space with Morse. And ultimately, I believe it's way more likely keeping the continuity of what Beane loved last season is going to outweigh the $3.49m in savings from not having him vs. having him.

[BuffaloBillyG]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Or you can do a short term non-guaranteed extension with some void years in the interim and save $5.01m

 

I'm not saying there's no logic in some of the things you're saying. But releasing him isn't the only way we can save cap space with Morse. And ultimately, I believe it's way more likely keeping the continuity of what Beane loved last season is going to outweigh the $3.49m in savings from not having him vs. having him.

Morse is also a core leader of this team. Well thought of and well liked in addition to his play being perhaps the best it's been during his time here. You don't just cut guys like that.

 

 

Edited March 5 by BuffaloBillyG

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Or you can do a short term non-guaranteed extension with some void years in the interim and save $5.01m

 

I'm not saying there's no logic in some of the things you're saying. But releasing him isn't the only way we can save cap space with Morse. And ultimately, I believe it's way more likely keeping the continuity of what Beane loved last season is going to outweigh the $3.49m in savings from not having him vs. having him.

 

After this I am all but certain Morse is on the team. I could see cutting him and keeping Bates. I think that and diverting the money was probably my preference but I understand why keeping the best line of the Allen era together was their priority and so getting something back for Bates makes sense.

[Gunsgoodtime]

11 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

This really isn't a huge deal.  At some point we have to trust younger guys.  It appears that we're going to trust younger guys (Anderson, specifically) as IOL backups.  Maybe Edwards stays, maybe he doesn't.  But Anderson moves into Bates's spot, and someone young and cheap will move into Anderson's spot.  

Agreed.  Morse likely stays.  We likely see some movement on Hyde in the next few days, too.  He's in town. 

Again, another "Nothing to see here" post.  Some of us are not amazed by Beanes Wizardry, or ignore the bad things with the Bills. Araiza to Chiefs, no big deal, Hines cut, no big deal, Bates traded, no big deal. Here's the thing....they all do matter no matter how much you want fo ignore it

Edited March 5 by Gunsgoodtime

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Our "best in a while" Oline couldn't protect Josh when it mattered against KC. I don't care about the regular season. Morse cannot get us a yard when we need it. And I am not betting we dodge the injury bullet again on the OL.

Just watched too many Bills Oline fails in the past 50+ years.

Ok. So re sign Edwards who was ahead of Bates and build on our Tackles.

And if you're putting that game on the OL because 1 play, I just can't respect your football knowledge 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Again, another "Nothing to see here" post.  Some of us are not amazed by Beanes Wizardry, or ignore the bad things with the Bills

 

I am neither amazed by Beane or ignore the bad with the Bills. But I always felt Bates / Morse was an either / or this year. I'd have leaned the other way (cut Morse, start Bates, draft a young IOL 3rd or later) but I understand going the other way. Was a close call for me.

[Gunsgoodtime]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am neither amazed by Beane or ignore the bad with the Bills. But I always felt Bates / Morse was an either / or this year. I'd have leaned the other way (cut Morse, start Bates, draft a young IOL 3rd or later) but I understand going the other way. Was a close call for me.

I am happy Morse is back fwiw.  He is better than some give him credit for

[HappyDays]

54 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Morse is also a core leader of this team. Well thought of and well liked in addition to his play being perhaps the best it's been during his time here. You don't just cut guys like that.

 

 

 

This is something I will staunchly disagree with. We have to start being ruthless. The Pats were a dynasty for 20 years because of that ruthless mindset. The Chiefs are now following suit. Morse has done everything right since day one. He has been a model player. And that should have zero impact on our decision to keep or cut him.