After yesterday who is your WR pick at 28?

[NewEra]

I think it’s funny how the combine has had such a negative effect on how this board views Troy Franklin.  
 

prior to the draft, 90% of the board had Franklin as a top 5 WR in this class.  Now he’s WR8-10.  Barely anyone wanted Worthy over Franklin. Now, almost everyone does.  Same with Mitchell.  

 

it was a poor combine for the kid, no doubt.  But I think people are putting to much emphasis on the underwear Olympics rather than tape.  Prior to the combine, I wanted Franklin, Mitchell or Legette.  Those are still the guys I want most.  Never thought thomas would make it out of the top 20.  

[BillsFanForever19]

53 minutes ago, Estro said:

My take changed a little post combine and after listening to some of the film guys I respect most (Greg Cosell).

 

There's a well defined top 3 l, that we all know:

 

1. Marvin Harrison Jr.

2. Malik Nabers

3. Rome Odunze

 

After that to me there's the next tier, which includes 2 WRs, and I've flipped where I think they'll go:

 

4. Adonai Mitchell

5. Brian Thomas Jr

 

And I happen to think both will very likely be off the board before #28. I was hopeful Mitchell would eb an option, but after listening to Cosell sing his praises, coupled with his combine performance, I think hes gone.  Brian Thomas, I would give a slight chance of being there, but he'll likely be gone too.

 

That brings us to my next tier, and I happen to think theres a bit of a drop-off to this group  compared to the 2 WRs listed above:

 

6. Troy Franklin

7. Ladd Mcconkey

8. Xavier Worthy

 

Everyone knew Worthy was a speed demon and he proved it in the combine. I thought he was a 2nd round type WR due to his slight frame. Maybe he's a laye 1st because the speed is so freaky, but I think he'll be around at #28.  He's just a small (super skinny) guy and I'm not sure the Bills will be the team to fall in love with him. The same can be said for Franklin. Super slight build and a higher drop rate percentage is a bit of a concern.  I actually think Ladd might be the guy the Bills would like best out of this group, but at #28 it might be a bit rich.  

 

One last WR to mention: 

 

Jermaine Burton. I know nothing about his off field, obviously, and I've heard some negative rumblings, but as a player.......this guy's got the goods and in the 2nd round I've got that sneaky feeling he might be a Bills target.

 

Will he be there @ 50? Who the hell knows, but I think hes a WR worth getting to know

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test at ANY position. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[MiracleAtRich1393]

40 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

I was all aboard the Franklin train. New information changed my opinion. Very disappointed in how that all turned out for him across the board 

[Mat68]

43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

I come away wanting a Wr at 28.  I think Mitchell, Thomas and Worthy separated from the next group.  I would not be surprised if Franklin went before one of the fore mentioned but I find it unlikley.  I dont think the combine put those players ahead of Franklin.  Many places had it that way before.  Being smaller, thinner and slightly less dynamic an athlete makes it hard when other in front of Franklin knocked it out of the park.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're probably the only one who still has Troy Franklin that high. While we all knew Xavier Worthy was fast, we didn't know he was THE fastest to EVER test at ANY position. That's a big deal.

 

On the flip side, we thought Troy Franklin was 6'3" - he's 6'1". We thought although small, he was 195. He's 175. We thought he had Elite speed like Worthy - he's a 4.4 guy. Then in the on the field drills, he struggled. Probably the most all over the field gauntlet I've ever seen, dropping balls, and falling down in others.

 

Not to say he can't be a good WR one day. Just to say that the prognosticators were closer to his reality as a mid to late Round 2 guy than the posters of this board who were hyping him up as WR5 prior to the Combine. It was about as bad of a Combine for a guy that was hyped up around these parts as I can remember.

With his measurables being so far off and that very horrible, gauntlet, no way he should go in the 1st.

[ngbills]

I want big and fast. Praying Brian Thomas is there. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I want big and fast. Praying Brian Thomas is there. 

Virtually no chance. He's probably too far out of reach for a trade up as well.

Mitchell in a small trade up, or Legette is where I would place my money if I was a betting fella.

[John from Riverside]

I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
 

Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
 

Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.

If you're trading out of the first, you're either hoping KC goes offensive tackle or conceding the next WR to them without the Chiefs even having to trade up. I doubt Beane will risk it, unless there are multiple players he has about equal on the board at #28.

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I’m also not opposed to a slight trade down that picks us up an additional third round pick
 

Ideally, I’d like to see a trade down that got us two second round picks. I was just watching a mock where we did that and got the defensive tackle sweat and wide receiver Legette that would be awesome.

 

I am opposed to a trade down.

 

In my eyes, with their performances at the Combine, combined (no pun intended) with the descension of Franklin - I see a dropoff after WR7. And with the ascension of guys like Worthy, Mitchell, and Legette and the solidification of Thomas as probably out of reach - we'd be playing a dangerous game trying to get one later than 28.

 

Especially with a team like Kansas City at least standing pat to take a WR, if not trading up.

[John from Riverside]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I am opposed to a trade down.

 

In my eyes, with their performances at the Combine, combined (no pun intended) with the descension of Franklin - I see a dropoff after WR7. And with the ascension of guys like Worthy, Mitchell, and Legette and the solidification of Thomas as probably out of reach - we'd be playing a dangerous game trying to get one later than 28.

 

Especially with a team like Kansas City at least standing pat to take a WR, if not trading up.

It’s a horrible thought, but the fact is Kansas City is going to get a good wide receiver out of this draft. There’s nothing we can do to prevent it we just have to make sure that we also get a good one.
 

Legette is a second round guy

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It’s a horrible thought, but the fact is Kansas City is going to get a good wide receiver out of this draft. There’s nothing we can do to prevent it we just have to make sure that we also get a good one.
 

Legette is a second round guy

 

You don't get that kind of frame with that kind of speed with his playmaking tape as a True Outside WR every day (which is what we're looking for).

 

He ascended and earned some money with how he looked yesterday. Where we're picking is pretty much the sweet spot for him. Trade down and there's a good chance you miss him. Then you're looking at guys like Keon Coleman and Troy Franklin that measured out disappointingly yesterday. 

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You don't get that kind of frame with that kind of speed with his playmaking tape every day. He ascended and earned some money with how he looked yesterday. Where we're picking is pretty much the sweet spot for him. Trade down and there's a good chance you miss him. Then you're looking at guys like Keon Coleman and Troy Franklin that measured out disappointingly yesterday. 

You’re placing way too much stock on the underwear Olympics 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You’re placing way too much stock on the underwear Olympics 

 

You're placing too little. In Round 1, good measurements and showing out as an athletic specimen are integral to what Beane considers in Round 1. He always goes for traits and tools that fit the role he's looking for in Round 1. Even if they're looked at as needing a little development.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[mrags]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I think it’s funny how the combine has had such a negative effect on how this board views Troy Franklin.  
 

prior to the draft, 90% of the board had Franklin as a top 5 WR in this class.  Now he’s WR8-10.  Barely anyone wanted Worthy over Franklin. Now, almost everyone does.  Same with Mitchell.  

 

it was a poor combine for the kid, no doubt.  But I think people are putting to much emphasis on the underwear Olympics rather than tape.  Prior to the combine, I wanted Franklin, Mitchell or Legette.  Those are still the guys I want most.  Never thought thomas would make it out of the top 20.  

Kind of where I’m at. I did drop Franklin a little bit and raise Worthy a little bit. But I still think Franklin is an early 2nd as well as Worthy. Their slim frames will definitely be a knock on them imo. Mitchell did move up the board for me tho. Originally I had Franklin higher and now I have Mitchell higher. One guy that ***** up the boards imo is Walker. After his bad senior bowl he jumped out of the building. I had him at a late 3rd but now I think he’ll go in the 2nd. Where? I have no idea. If we were to get someone like Worthy in the first or early 2nd with a trade back I’d take a shot at Walker at 60 I think. Then go defense for the rest of the draft. 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

Kind of where I’m at. I did drop Franklin a little bit and raise Worthy a little bit. But I still think Franklin is an early 2nd as well as Worthy. Their slim frames will definitely be a knock on them imo. Mitchell did move up the board for me tho. Originally I had Franklin higher and now I have Mitchell higher. One guy that ***** up the boards imo is Walker. After his bad senior bowl he jumped out of the building. I had him at a late 3rd but now I think he’ll go in the 2nd. Where? I have no idea. If we were to get someone like Worthy in the first or early 2nd with a trade back I’d take a shot at Walker at 60 I think. Then go defense for the rest of the draft. 

 

Worthy won't be there in the early 2nd. Running the fastest time ever recorded at any position will skyrocket him. Whether or not you think it should.

 

John Ross went from about the same position as Worthy was in Pre-Combine to 7th Overall. Even if that's a cautionary tale, it's not enough that teams will completely disregard it and he'll go below 32. He was looked at as a bottom of the 1st type guy before he broke the record.

 

As I've said, Ian Rappaport said he talked to a "respected, high up league executive" who told him Worthy may have made himself the 4th WR off the board yesterday.

Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19

[Doc]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

You think teams are lining up for a 5'11" 165lb WR? 

 

Possibly, I'm not keen on smallish WRs as a WR2 prospect. They frequently get hurt, just like this guy running a 40🤣

 

It just takes one.  And the Raiders are fools for WRs with speed.

[mrags]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Worthy won't be there in the early 2nd. Running the fastest time ever recorded at any position will skyrocket him. Whether or not you think it should.

 

John Ross went from about the same position as Worthy was in Pre-Combine to 7th Overall. Even if that's a cautionary tale, it's not enough that teams will completely disregard it and he'll go below 32. He was looked at as a bottom of the 1st type guy before he broke the record.

 

As I've said, Ian Rappaport said he talked to a "respected, high up league executive" who told him Worthy may have made himself the 4th WR off the board yesterday.

Ross was coming off a 17TD year in college where he blew up out of nowhere. He also weighed 20lbs more than Worthy and still couldn’t stay healthy. You can believe what you like. I think his size will be a problem for many teams and they will not risk a 1st on him when you could get a guy like Thomas that was blazing fast and 40lbs heavier. Taller. Etc. I’ve expressed my opinion multiple times, I don’t think Worthy goes before 28 for sure. I hope it’s not us that takes him with the question mark with his size. I’d 100% take Franklin, Mitchell, Legette, Thomas, and maybe Dez Walker over him. That’s my opinion. And I also think all of those guys end up having longer, healthier, and more productive careers. 

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

I think I want the next Tyreek

At approximately the same height Tyreek has 25 lbs on this guy.

[transplantbillsfan]

If we stay at 28, I will be extremely happy with Thomas Jr or Mitchell. I'll be happy with Worthy, Franklin, Legette, McConkey or even Coleman (yes, despite the 40 time... he was great in drills).

 

That's a lot of players. And frankly, I'm not going to be remotely surprised if we don't draft at 28, trade back, and slingshot to get any one of those 7 players along with an impact defensive player. Or we very likely could also just draft defense in round 1 and see if any of those players fall in round 2, which they might.

 

And then you double dip with Roman Wilson, Malachi Coreley, Brendan Rice, Javon Baker, Ricky Pearsal, etc. in the middle rounds.

 

This draft is deeeeeep... get 2