DCOrange Posted March 5 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Brand J said: I wanted Franklin at 28 before the combine, but if he’s going to show up 2 inches shorter and almost 20 pounds lighter than his listed ht/wt, that boy better run a 4.3. His time was disappointing for his frame, can he add 20 pounds and maintain 4.4 speed? Not a risk I want to take in round 1. While his time was disappointing, it's so close to a 4.3; he probably would have been in the 4.3's if his technique was slightly better. He's still very fast. The weight was definitely disappointing and the gauntlet drill was really bad. Quote
DCOrange Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Is there a best source for stats on college WRs getting separation? It isn't listed in PFF's premium stats, but their draft guide includes "Open Target %". Of course many factors can influence this such as the routes they're running, the coverage they're facing, etc. It's easier to get open finding a soft spot in a zone vs. working open against man coverage for example. If you're running a ton of crossers across the middle, you're bound to run into traffic more often than a curl route against soft coverage. If you're the focus of the defense, you'll probably have a harder time getting open than the #3 target on your team. Having said that, here's where everyone ranked: Name Open Target % Tahj Washington 89% Malachi Corley 86% Jordan Whittington 86% Lideatrick Griffin 84% Xavier Worthy 84% Jacob Cowing 83% Ladd McConkey 82% Brian Thomas Jr. 80% Jalen McMillan 79% Malik Washington 79% Troy Franklin 77% Marvin Harrison Jr. 77% Jamari Thrash 77% Ricky Pearsall 75% Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint 73% Devontez Walker 73% Jermaine Burton 72% Xavier Legette 69% Brenden Rice 66% Malik Nabers 64% Ja'Lynn Polk 64% Rome Odunze 61% Adonai Mitchell 58% Ainias Smith 56% Keon Coleman 53% Johnny Wilson 51% 1 Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 5 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: It isn't listed in PFF's premium stats, but their draft guide includes "Open Target %". Of course many factors can influence this such as the routes they're running, the coverage they're facing, etc. It's easier to get open finding a soft spot in a zone vs. working open against man coverage for example. If you're running a ton of crossers across the middle, you're bound to run into traffic more often than a curl route against soft coverage. If you're the focus of the defense, you'll probably have a harder time getting open than the #3 target on your team. Having said that, here's where everyone ranked: Name Open Target % Tahj Washington 89% Malachi Corley 86% Jordan Whittington 86% Lideatrick Griffin 84% Xavier Worthy 84% Jacob Cowing 83% Ladd McConkey 82% Brian Thomas Jr. 80% Jalen McMillan 79% Malik Washington 79% Troy Franklin 77% Marvin Harrison Jr. 77% Jamari Thrash 77% Ricky Pearsall 75% Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint 73% Devontez Walker 73% Jermaine Burton 72% Xavier Legette 69% Brenden Rice 66% Malik Nabers 64% Ja'Lynn Polk 64% Rome Odunze 61% Adonai Mitchell 58% Ainias Smith 56% Keon Coleman 53% Johnny Wilson 51% Wow thank you this is great. Confirmation bias for me liking Worthy and being concerned about how often Coleman is making contested catches. Did not know it was so rough for Mitchell. Going to have to look further into those other guys at the top. 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted March 5 Posted March 5 For me as of now: Thomas (probably won’t be there) Mitchell Legette 4 1 Quote
BBFL Posted March 5 Posted March 5 29 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It isn't listed in PFF's premium stats, but their draft guide includes "Open Target %". Of course many factors can influence this such as the routes they're running, the coverage they're facing, etc. It's easier to get open finding a soft spot in a zone vs. working open against man coverage for example. If you're running a ton of crossers across the middle, you're bound to run into traffic more often than a curl route against soft coverage. If you're the focus of the defense, you'll probably have a harder time getting open than the #3 target on your team. Having said that, here's where everyone ranked: Name Open Target % Tahj Washington 89% Malachi Corley 86% Jordan Whittington 86% Lideatrick Griffin 84% Xavier Worthy 84% Jacob Cowing 83% Ladd McConkey 82% Brian Thomas Jr. 80% Jalen McMillan 79% Malik Washington 79% Troy Franklin 77% Marvin Harrison Jr. 77% Jamari Thrash 77% Ricky Pearsall 75% Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint 73% Devontez Walker 73% Jermaine Burton 72% Xavier Legette 69% Brenden Rice 66% Malik Nabers 64% Ja'Lynn Polk 64% Rome Odunze 61% Adonai Mitchell 58% Ainias Smith 56% Keon Coleman 53% Johnny Wilson 51% Polk and Legette just became more of a wish for me after looking at those %’s and their stats… Quote
Cash Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) On 3/5/2024 at 1:03 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said: Wow thank you this is great. Confirmation bias for me liking Worthy and being concerned about how often Coleman is making contested catches. Did not know it was so rough for Mitchell. Going to have to look further into those other guys at the top. It’s very tricky though. Are guys at the top up there because they’re always open? Or because the QB doesn’t trust them except when they’re wide open? (And when they’re wide open, is that because they ran a great route, or because they were schemed open?) I notice MH, Jr is pretty high up but not at the top. Makes sense, because he gets open a lot, but also his QB is often willing to throw it even when the CB is blanketing Harrison. i personally wouldn’t draw any conclusions from these numbers, unless in combination with extensive review of play by play film. Edited March 27 by Cash 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted March 26 Posted March 26 If Ladd McConkey can play the outside, that's who I want. 1 Quote
T master Posted March 26 Posted March 26 On 3/3/2024 at 8:17 AM, TheBeaneBandit said: Ladd followed closely by Leggett as far as who realistically will be there. I like both picks but mine is the opposite I like what i see from Leggett he is my draft man crush this year, his size & speed i think he is the entire package & would help Josh & with his skill set would open things up for the others in the passing game . 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Way Up MHJ Nabers Odunze Mid Teens BTJ Slight Move Up / 28 Xavier Legette Xavier Worthy AD Mitchell 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: If Ladd McConkey can play the outside, that's who I want. we already have Kincaid & Shakir. I’d like more size / explosive deep speed or both. Maybe I’m igorant, but McConkey doesn’t do much for me 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, T master said: I like both picks but mine is the opposite I like what i see from Leggett he is my draft man crush this year, his size & speed i think he is the entire package & would help Josh & with his skill set would open things up for the others in the passing game . I agree Legette is my guy this year, at first I was all in on Mitchell but after his 4.30 combine I figured he wouldn't last to 28, Legette should fall and have no issues going with him assuming top end DTs/DEs are taken previously. Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted March 26 Posted March 26 8 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: we already have Kincaid & Shakir. I’d like more size / explosive deep speed or both. Maybe I’m igorant, but McConkey doesn’t do much for me 6 foot and 4.3 speed isn’t small or slow. He isn’t big but I think we need speed. Quote
billsbackto81 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 On 3/5/2024 at 1:16 PM, Big Blitz said: For me as of now: Thomas (probably won’t be there) Mitchell Legette Me too I'd put Roman Wilson as honorable mention. Quote
nedboy7 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 On 3/5/2024 at 9:52 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said: You all are in for SUCH a disappointment when the pick's Robinson from PSU I have a strong feeling we are not drafting WR till the second round. We're probably drafting a DL. You are probably correct. Or strong possibility its a DT. Quote
schoolhouserock Posted March 26 Posted March 26 I know many would call it a slight reach, but I would be 100% OK with Pearsall at #28. Quote
Turbo44 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: 6 foot and 4.3 speed isn’t small or slow. He isn’t big but I think we need speed. I agree, If we trade up it has t be for Thomas; otherwise I want McConkey at #28; and a more tradition X later in the draft. The draft is so deep at WR, I wouldn't mind going McConkey at 28 and someone like Legette (if he makes it there) or Walker. DT is deep enough to wait on, Safety. we signed two guys. 1 minute ago, schoolhouserock said: I know many would call it a slight reach, but I would be 100% OK with Pearsall at #28. I think if you want someone like Pearsall, Legette or Franklin (over a Worthy or Mitchell, you absolutely trade back into the early part of Rd 2 and Grab another 2nd. Yu don't take Pearsall at 28. Quote
schoolhouserock Posted March 26 Posted March 26 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: I agree, If we trade up it has t be for Thomas; otherwise I want McConkey at #28; and a more tradition X later in the draft. The draft is so deep at WR, I wouldn't mind going McConkey at 28 and someone like Legette (if he makes it there) or Walker. DT is deep enough to wait on, Safety. we signed two guys. I think if you want someone like Pearsall, Legette or Franklin (over a Worthy or Mitchell, you absolutely trade back into the early part of Rd 2 and Grab another 2nd. Yu don't take Pearsall at 28. I get the thinking, but the dollars and cents of an extra year on the rookie deal might make such a selection more palatable, especially at the end of round 1. I’m not banging the table for it. Heck, I’m not even advocating for it. I just wouldn’t hate it. Edited March 26 by schoolhouserock Spelling Quote
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1. Thomas ......likely dream because we'd probably have to move above Jax 2. Legette......appreciating this guy's talents more all the time 3. Mitchell...... we need size and speed and he brings both Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26 Posted March 26 On 3/5/2024 at 12:43 PM, DCOrange said: While his time was disappointing, it's so close to a 4.3; he probably would have been in the 4.3's if his technique was slightly better. He's still very fast. The weight was definitely disappointing and the gauntlet drill was really bad. The gauntlet drill is why I'm on team Coleman. The way he plucked the ball out of the air while running full speed gives me thoughts of him running crossers and showing his RAC ability. Let alone him being a red zone threat. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) If Franklin was actually sick at the combine as claimed and he shows 4.3 speed in his private workout for the Bills… + crisper routes with his unique longer stride….he should be back in consideration for 28 or top half of the 2nd via trade up The most aggressive Beane could likely be… a moderate move up in Round 1 by trading 28, 2025 1st, 4th this year for BTJ then moving up again from 60 for Franklin another strategy: Beane sits, Worthy makes it to 28, grab him for the explosive speed then move up from 60 into the 40’s for Legette Xavier & Xavier could be a super fun combo for years Beane made a joke about taking a WR in every round…but IMO that could be a tell he will seriously consider taking WR in Rounds 1 & 2. With the future uncertainty surrounding Diggs, WR is the most important need and a premium position without question Give Allen the weapons to build an A-Bomb Offense Edited March 27 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
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