Pete Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Diggs is no #1. Shakir will play slot and be WR3. We will add a #1, and most likely upgrade over Sherfield. Hardy will restructure Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) He's a Slot. Plain and simple. His success comes from working the middle of the field. You're nerfing him sticking him on the Outside. We did it in emergency situations last season and the results weren't nearly the same as when he was in the Slot. Fans see success out of the slot and assume that he can be #2 Outside. It's incorrect. Edited March 2 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
billsbackto81 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 With JA17 as his QB he's a Pro Bowl caliber slot WR. Quote
hondo in seattle Posted March 3 Posted March 3 5 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: Shakir would make a great slot receiver. We just need someone with Gabe Davis’ size who is willing to get jump balls. I'm happy enough with Shakir and Diggs in their current places. But I want Eric Moulds in Gabe's place. If not Moulds, give me a Lee Evans - a speedster with hands who can stretch defenses. Josh's arm strength allows him to throw effectively both to the boundaries and deep. Cook is a decent running threat both inside and out. With the right receivers, defenses will have to defend the entire 53-yard width of the field from the LOS to 60+ yards downfield. So much real estate, they'll fail. The biggest piece we're missing is a legit deep threat. We need speed more than size. 1 Quote
babulator Posted March 3 Posted March 3 He's a WR4 in the slot. We'll use him and need him to be a WR3 though. McBeane needs to come to terms that defense is not the way in the Modern NFL. Quote
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Posted March 3 51 minutes ago, babulator said: He's a WR4 in the slot. We'll use him and need him to be a WR3 though. McBeane needs to come to terms that defense is not the way in the Modern NFL. Really? KC's defense is a big reason they beat us and others in the playoffs. 1 Quote
babulator Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Just now, The Jokeman said: Really? KC's defense is a big reason they beat us and others in the playoffs. KC's defense is NOT the reason they beat us, nor is it the reason for their dynasty. Mahomes and Kelce (and Ried) are (offense), if people don't understand this by now, there's no amount of words that can turn that light on. The NFL wants scoring highlights, not defensive lowlights, the entire game is skewed in favor offenses. You win championships by being an offensive juggernaut, not by wasting 1st and 2nd round picks reaching for underperforming DL's. This is NOT the way, it's been clear as day in the modern NFL, there's really nothing more that can be said about that. Offense > Defense in modern NFL period. Quote
Rew Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, babulator said: He's a WR4 in the slot. We'll use him and need him to be a WR3 though. McBeane needs to come to terms that defense is not the way in the Modern NFL. Mcbeane has helped provide talent for the best offense (or 2nd best depending on your measuring stick) in the NFL over the last 5 years. It's okay to say it's not perfect or that we need to make moves to prevent to offense from regressing, but pretending that we haven't put a lot into the offense and gotten a lot of results out of it is asinine. On topic, with Kincaid here I think Shakir can be our #2 WR next year and for several years from now. I think we add a WR in the first 2 days and the draftee ends 4th in targets, maybe 3rd if he is able to pull ahead of Shakir by mid season. Diggs>Kincaid>Shakir>Knox/Cook/Future#1 is general target distribution throughout season. By '25 Diggs would ideally be replaced as lead receiver and move to a roll where he and Shakir fight for WR reps, with either of them ending as #3 in targets. Edited March 3 by Rew Quote
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 minute ago, babulator said: KC's defense is NOT the reason they beat us, nor is it the reason for their dynasty. Mahomes and Kelce (and Ried) are (offense), if people don't understand this by now, there's no amount of words that can turn that light on. The NFL wants scoring highlights, not defensive lowlights, the entire game is skewed in favor offenses. You win championships by being an offensive juggernaut, not by wasting 1st and 2nd round picks reaching for underperforming DL's. This is NOT the way, it's been clear as day in the modern NFL, there's really nothing more that can be said about that. Offense > Defense in modern NFL period. If you're telling me with a healthy Milano, Bernard and White playing against KC we'd see same results I disagree with you. The 49ers have some of best skill positions in CMC, Deebo, Ayuik and Kittle and tell me why'd they lose? Quote
babulator Posted March 3 Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, Rew said: but pretending that we haven't put a lot into the offense and gotten a lot of results out of it is asinine. 1 first round pick since drafting JA17 is not a significant investment, we can agree to disagree on that. Calling 1 1st round pick a significant investment is ... well.... use your own word. 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If you're telling me with a healthy Milano, Bernard and White playing against KC we'd see same results I disagree with you. The 49ers have some of best skill positions in CMC, Deebo, Ayuik and Kittle and tell me why'd they lose? Thats exactly what Im telling you. And yes 49ers have all the right skill positions and is why they made it to the dance, you made my point for me. Only 1 team can win though, and so see my above post. Quote
BillsFan2313 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, babulator said: KC's defense is NOT the reason they beat us, nor is it the reason for their dynasty. Mahomes and Kelce (and Ried) are (offense), if people don't understand this by now, there's no amount of words that can turn that light on. The NFL wants scoring highlights, not defensive lowlights, the entire game is skewed in favor offenses. You win championships by being an offensive juggernaut, not by wasting 1st and 2nd round picks reaching for underperforming DL's. This is NOT the way, it's been clear as day in the modern NFL, there's really nothing more that can be said about that. Offense > Defense in modern NFL period. Chiefs have taken a DL in the 1st the last two years.. with a CB sprinkled in Quote
babulator Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Chiefs have taken a DL in the 1st the last two years.. with a CB sprinkled in Outside of this year, the Chiefs have not been known as a Defense 1st team. They also have a well established league leading and Championship O, I'm not really sure that's been their weakness during their SB runs. If we were in that situation sure, sadly we are not. We have glaring holes @ WR and have had them for years. Even Diggs @ this point in his career is better served in WR2 role. Do we even have a #2? Honestly, it's almost criminal that we haven't provided JA more talent. Edited March 3 by babulator Quote
NewEra Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, babulator said: He's a WR4 in the slot. We'll use him and need him to be a WR3 though. McBeane needs to come to terms that defense is not the way in the Modern NFL. Yet the consensus top 3 teams last year had the 3 best scoring defenses in the league. in the playoffs, KC held their opponents 7, 24, 17 and 22. The first 3 games were against the 3 highest scoring teams in the AFC. The last, they held the 2nd highest scoring team in the nfc to 22. Meanwhile, KC never scored more than 27. Teams with bad defenses don’t win Super Bowl. Teams with an elite QBs and good defenses are always in the mix. The key is to find a healthy balance and make plays when you’re in the playoffs. We could have won the Super Bowl even while down several key players. We just didn’t execute when we needed to. 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: He is the brother of the prophet…, I got it . . . love literary allusion. 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted March 3 Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Chiefs have taken a DL in the 1st the last two years.. with a CB sprinkled in And last 1st Round skill.position they took was CEH. 1 Quote
babulator Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NewEra said: Yet the consensus top 3 teams last year had the 3 best scoring defenses in the league. Im not sure this is correct, looks like Cowboys Dolphins and Raiders D led the league in scoring last year. Also, no one is making the case of a bad D, and balance is good as well, but to deny that we have over invested in underperforming defensive picks and signee's and left JA woefully under armed is not an argument I'd be making. We can agree to disagree though, I prefer an offensive juggernaut that can score when they need to, as opposed to relying on my D to make stop after stop. It's the McDermott approach vs the Reid approach really. O > D Edited March 3 by babulator Quote
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