Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 (edited) On 3/8/2024 at 4:38 PM, B-Man said: Expand he ad libbed multiple times and made the pig and her trough mates look irrelevant and coarse. well, actually they make themselves look coarse. Edited March 8, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
B-Man Posted March 8, 2024 Author Posted March 8, 2024 Media SPIN aside. THIS is what Americans saw. . 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:33 PM, phypon said: You can't be serious. I know her name, you know her name, everyone on this board knows her name, the entire country knows her name... He had days of preparation and practice for this speech, one of the biggest points of his speech and he can't get her name right? I mean, it's literally written down in his laminated note folder, right in front of him and he STILL can't do it? C'mon man!! Expand If your point is that old men stumble over unfamiliar names, well, you got me. Sometimes they even do that in writing where they have time to check their work! In a post on his Truth Social account, Trump repeatedly referred to Haley, the daughter of immigrants from India, as “Nimbra.” Haley, the former South Carolina governor, was born in Bamberg, South Carolina, as Nimarata Nikki Randhawa. She has always gone by her middle name, “Nikki.”
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:21 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Yes, because you have so many friends named "Laken." From a quick Social Security Administration search: Laken is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2020. Please enter another name. Expand I have exactly as many friends named Lincoln as I do Laken. I'm also going to go out a limb here and assume that if I was giving a speech, viewed by millions, with professional speechwriters doing the heavy lifting, and the knowledge that a particular name was going to be on particular importance, I could solve the mystery that is "Laken". I do appreciate you removing any lingering doubt in your mind that you are indeed an attorney, the checking of the social security admin listing the top 1000 names was quite lawyerly. It doesn't change the fact that "Laken" was the only one he needed to recall. Personally, Frankish, if I were prepping President Biden, I would have recommended he avoid searching the social security website at all, or googling "unorthodox baby names", and simply said "Mr. President, think Lake with an N. Lake-uhnnnn. Lake--uhn. Laken.". 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:45 PM, B-Man said: Media SPIN aside. THIS is what Americans saw. . Expand Nah, it's this https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/03/08/biden-mtg-maga-hat-reaction/72893490007/
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:51 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I have exactly as many friends named Lincoln as I do Laken. I'm also going to go out a limb here and assume that if I was giving a speech, viewed by millions, with professional speechwriters doing the heavy lifting, and the knowledge that a particular name was going to be on particular importance, I could solve the mystery that is "Laken". I do appreciate you removing any lingering doubt in your mind that you are indeed an attorney, the checking of the social security admin listing the top 1000 names was quite lawyerly. It doesn't change the fact that "Laken" was the only one he needed to recall. Personally, Frankish, if I were prepping President Biden, I would have recommended he avoid searching the social security website at all, or googling "unorthodox baby names", and simply said "Mr. President, think Lake with an N. Lake-uhnnnn. Lake--uhn. Laken.". Expand And when did Trumpies get all worked up about the silly "say her name" thing? I thought that came from the other side. They goaded him to say it. He took their sticky thing and said it, stumbled over it, but said it. Get over it.
LeviF Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 3:37 PM, The Frankish Reich said: I mean, yeah, I guess he blew it (kind of mumbled it), but it is an unorthodox name ... I was actually heartened to hear the ad libbed "illegal" in his speech. I know people in the immigration enforcement agencies who have been told that that word is forbidden in any of their briefs/memos. So too is "alien" - a perfectly normal word that means "foreign national." The term "alien" as used to mean space aliens was just a shorthand way of saying "foreign being from somewhere other than earth." So it was never like we were comparing ordinary foreigners to nonhuman space beings. All of it is silly, and the cranky old man used the proper cranky old man term. Expand Biden was once a formidable demagogue with all the blue collar old-school working class Dem credentials. Many have forgotten. But illegal, alien, thug, etc. were all once part of his weekly vocabulary on the hill and, as old men tend to do, he occasionally drops back into old verbiage. 1 1
phypon Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:50 PM, The Frankish Reich said: If your point is that old men stumble over unfamiliar names, well, you got me. Sometimes they even do that in writing where they have time to check their work! In a post on his Truth Social account, Trump repeatedly referred to Haley, the daughter of immigrants from India, as “Nimbra.” Haley, the former South Carolina governor, was born in Bamberg, South Carolina, as Nimarata Nikki Randhawa. She has always gone by her middle name, “Nikki.” Expand You know better than this. I know you do. I bet you retain many names of football players that have names that you've never heard of and don't have friends with the same names. You remember their names because they are good/great players. When you have a major issue that has polarized the country for the last couple of weeks I know you would get her name, LAKEN, correct. You know better than this. Don't devolve into, "but, but, but...it's not on the most popular name list of people with social security numbers in the last "x" years..." Give me a break. Be better. I don't disagree with everything you say. Find some common ground on this one... 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:54 PM, The Frankish Reich said: And when did Trumpies get all worked up about the silly "say her name" thing? I thought that came from the other side. They goaded him to say it. He took their sticky thing and said it, stumbled over it, but said it. Get over it. Expand when this is their biggest critique, you know biden did a good job. cognition is fine. quite quick witted actually. but that won't stop them from making shite up. 1 1
phypon Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:58 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: when this is their biggest critique, you know biden did a good job. cognition is fine. quite quick witted actually. but that won't stop them from making shite up. Expand And the lefts biggest critique on this very topic is that he used the work "illegal" instead of "undocumented". Yeah, call the rest of us crazy because we expect a bit of respect for a young, brutally murdered, woman and we expect him to at least get her name right. 2
BillStime Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 🎯 Biden killed it last night and the cult embarrassed themselves as usual. 🇺🇸 1
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:56 PM, LeviF said: Biden was once a formidable demagogue with all the blue collar old-school working class Dem credentials. Many have forgotten. But illegal, alien, thug, etc. were all once part of his weekly vocabulary on the hill and, as old men tend to do, he occasionally drops back into old verbiage. Expand Off point, but a little info from someone who's worked on cases involving crimes committed by "illegal aliens." We don't use the term "illegal alien." We really never did. Not out of fear of being called a racist (nobody complained about racist implications until fairly recently), but because it is too vague for lawyers to use. There's the classic "illegal alien" - sneaked across the border undetected. They are usually called something like EWIs ("eewees," for "entered without insepction.") There's visa overstays, which the general public wouldn't call "illegal aliens" but that's what they are. (In the trade they are called, not surprisingly, "overstays") There are people like the Venezuelan who apparently killed Laken Riley. He was "paroled in" to allow him to apply for asylum. He's not a classic "illegal alien," so people in law enforcement would probably call him a border parolee or something like that. Just if people are curious. There's many flavors of aliens present in the United States, many of whom were authorized to enter and to stay until something happens (an asylum application is finally decided) or for a period of time (until they complete a degree, or for 90 days, etc.) 1
LeviF Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 5:04 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Off point, but a little info from someone who's worked on cases involving crimes committed by "illegal aliens." We don't use the term "illegal alien." We really never did. Not out of fear of being called a racist (nobody complained about racist implications until fairly recently), but because it is too vague for lawyers to use. There's the classic "illegal alien" - sneaked across the border undetected. They are usually called something like EWIs ("eewees," for "entered without insepction.") There's visa overstays, which the general public wouldn't call "illegal aliens" but that's what they are. (In the trade they are called, not surprisingly, "overstays") There are people like the Venezuelan who apparently killed Laken Riley. He was "paroled in" to allow him to apply for asylum. He's not a classic "illegal alien," so people in law enforcement would probably call him a border parolee or something like that. Just if people are curious. There's many flavors of aliens present in the United States, many of whom were authorized to enter and to stay until something happens (an asylum application is finally decided) or for a period of time (until they complete a degree, or for 90 days, etc.) Expand "No lawful immigration status" for everyone who can't produce documentation here. Not in the business of prosecuting immigration law so we don't bother with all the official terms unless there's a criminal warrant sworn out by ICE or active detainer in place.
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 4:58 PM, phypon said: You know better than this. I know you do. I bet you retain many names of football players that have names that you've never heard of and don't have friends with the same names. You remember their names because they are good/great players. When you have a major issue that has polarized the country for the last couple of weeks I know you would get her name, LAKEN, correct. You know better than this. Don't devolve into, "but, but, but...it's not on the most popular name list of people with social security numbers in the last "x" years..." Give me a break. Be better. I don't disagree with everything you say. Find some common ground on this one... Expand What is "Nimbra?" Her name is pronounced exactly how it's spelled - Nim-ahh-RA-ta. Sound it out. Presumably you think "Nimbra" was meant as an insult, but I have no idea who or what a "Nimbra" is (I know what a "Nimrod" is, but he didn't call her that), so it makes no sense as an insult. Whatever. Is the point that Biden is old and mangles names? Gotcha. Is the point that he wasn't practicing saying her name over and over again like a mantra until it is burned into his two remaining neurons? I don't see why that's relevant. Is it that her name wasn't mentioned in the prepared text? Yeah, that would be a valid point. So make it. Say Their Names about all the non-George Floyd victims of unjustified police shootings. Other than Breanna and George, I doubt you can come up with one. Let's stop these silly games. On 3/8/2024 at 5:09 PM, LeviF said: "No lawful immigration status" Expand Just saying that that is confusing too. Maybe (probably) immigration law should be simpler. Legal or illegal, no gray area. But that Venezuelan killer was in a gray area - authorized to come in and stay, but without valid immigrant or nonimmigrant status. Back in the Reagan amnesty days there was an awful bureaucratic acronym: PRUCOL. For "permanently residing under color of law." Yeah, it's really messy. And it is fair to blame Biden for allowing it to get even messier. Irv himself would recoil in horror at the mess.
LeviF Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 5:10 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Just saying that that is confusing too. Maybe (probably) immigration law should be simpler. Legal or illegal, no gray area. But that Venezuelan killer was in a gray area - authorized to come in and stay, but without valid immigrant or nonimmigrant status. Back in the Reagan amnesty days there was an awful bureaucratic acronym: PRUCOL. For "permanently residing under color of law." Yeah, it's really messy. And it is fair to blame Biden for allowing it to get even messier. Irv himself would recoil in horror at the mess. Expand It's really just our code in writing for what we actually say in person. It's gobbledygook for a reason.
Tommy Callahan Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 The voice is trying so hard to push a false narrative that the speech want a disaster on level.
The Frankish Reich Posted March 8, 2024 Posted March 8, 2024 On 3/8/2024 at 5:17 PM, LeviF said: It's gobbledygook for a reason Expand Not in my experience. It's gobbledygook because the immigration laws need a total rewrite. Not the type of the immigration bill that the Repubs just rejected, but a total rethinking so that we don't have so many quasi-legal statuses. On 3/8/2024 at 5:20 PM, Tommy Callahan said: The voice is trying so hard to push a false narrative that the speech want a disaster on level. Expand Post of the year! 1
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