BillsFanNC Posted February 5 Author Posted February 5 On 3/1/2024 at 8:43 AM, BillsFanNC said: Following up on the recent NYT article on the huge CIA involvement in Ukraine, this short segment is a must watch to explain what has been going on there for the past decade. To the useful idiots: remember when you were screaming: NO WAR FOR OIL two decades ago? USAID brought up here. A full 11 months before Roundy or Homelander had a clue as to what that agency is or claims to do. 1
wnyguy Posted Thursday at 03:17 PM Posted Thursday at 03:17 PM No one on the left will watch this or comment on the fact of the CIA involvement leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The Ukraine became a patsy for the US. What a mess.
Coffeesforclosers Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM Posted Thursday at 04:12 PM 53 minutes ago, wnyguy said: No one on the left will watch this or comment on the fact of the CIA involvement leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The Ukraine became a patsy for the US. What a mess. As you lap up talking points from a media source wholly owned and operated by a US Government Employee? Oooooooohhhhhh, better watch out for all these Free Thinkers!
wnyguy Posted Thursday at 04:26 PM Posted Thursday at 04:26 PM 12 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: As you lap up talking points from a media source wholly owned and operated by a US Government Employee? Oooooooohhhhhh, better watch out for all these Free Thinkers! No. I have heard this story a while back, it went ignored by the MSM of course. On a side note I like you handle - great movie.
Coffeesforclosers Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM Posted Thursday at 06:06 PM 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: No. I have heard this story a while back, it went ignored by the MSM of course. On a side note I like you handle - great movie. Twitter/X is the MSM now. So I trust it about as far as I can throw Elon Musk. Glad you appreciate the classics!
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted Thursday at 06:09 PM Posted Thursday at 06:09 PM 1 minute ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Twitter/X is the MSM now. So I trust it about as far as I can throw Elon Musk. Glad you appreciate the classics! Ooh x bad, as he watches msnbc.
wnyguy Posted Thursday at 06:28 PM Posted Thursday at 06:28 PM 20 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Twitter/X is the MSM now. So I trust it about as far as I can throw Elon Musk. Glad you appreciate the classics! It is sad that we can no longer trust the media and there are no longer impartial investigating journalists, maybe there never really was all along. 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 01:27 PM Posted Friday at 01:27 PM 18 hours ago, wnyguy said: It is sad that we can no longer trust the media and there are no longer impartial investigating journalists, maybe there never really was all along. The news is what it is, that's true. I've gone back to doing this old fashioned thing called...reading books. That takes time, effort and concentration though, and we're addicted to instant gratification thanks to our Internet overlords...
wnyguy Posted Friday at 01:59 PM Posted Friday at 01:59 PM 24 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: The news is what it is, that's true. I've gone back to doing this old fashioned thing called...reading books. That takes time, effort and concentration though, and we're addicted to instant gratification thanks to our Internet overlords... Reading books is a great thing, I enjoy it myself, however the authors credibility sometimes gets called into question. Bob Woodward, who was a key in the Watergate scandal, and now is having his credibility being questioned is a perfect example. Is it all Operation Mockingbird now?
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 02:35 PM Posted Friday at 02:35 PM 35 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Reading books is a great thing, I enjoy it myself, however the authors credibility sometimes gets called into question. Bob Woodward, who was a key in the Watergate scandal, and now is having his credibility being questioned is a perfect example. Is it all Operation Mockingbird now? What's Operation Mockingbird?
wnyguy Posted Friday at 02:50 PM Posted Friday at 02:50 PM 13 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: What's Operation Mockingbird? A CIA operation deployed to control American mainstream media. 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 03:54 PM Posted Friday at 03:54 PM 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: A CIA operation deployed to control American mainstream media. Gotcha. Wasn't aware. Bob Woodward did the Lord's work back in the day. I'm sure him and Cy Hersh have the best intentions. I got by what Yevgeniy Prighozin said during the Wagner Mutiny.
wnyguy Posted Friday at 04:16 PM Posted Friday at 04:16 PM 17 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Gotcha. Wasn't aware. Bob Woodward did the Lord's work back in the day. I'm sure him and Cy Hersh have the best intentions. I got by what Yevgeniy Prighozin said during the Wagner Mutiny. I don't know if it was the Lord's work as now it is being questioned if Woodward may have been a CIA asset used to spread propaganda. Part of Operation Mockingbird that is. I am not sure what Prighozin said during the mutiny but I do know he didn't last very long afterward.
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 05:52 PM Posted Friday at 05:52 PM 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: I don't know if it was the Lord's work as now it is being questioned if Woodward may have been a CIA asset used to spread propaganda. Part of Operation Mockingbird that is. Ahhhh right. Fill the Zone with *****! Make truth irrelevant. Propaganda 101. 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: I am not sure what Prighozin said during the mutiny but I do know he didn't last very long afterward. Since launching the war, Putin has painted it as a defensive operation to protect Russia. He's claimed it was needed to stop imminent large-scale attacks from Ukraine on largely Russian-speaking eastern regions in Donbas that Russia has occupied since 2014. Prigozhin, whose fighters have played a leading role in the war, said that was not true and there had been no imminent risk of attack from Ukraine. Recent Stories from ABC News "The ministry of defense now is trying to deceive society, the president, and tell a story there was insane aggression from Ukraine and that they intended to attack us with the whole NATO bloc," Prigozhin said. "The Special Military Operation that began on Feb. 24 was started for completely different reasons," he said. Prigozhin has been in a public feud with Russia's defense ministry and its head Sergey Shoigu for months, blaming them for Russia's disastrous prosecution of the war. As Russia has faced deepening setbacks in Ukraine, he has become an unexpected, prominent critic of Russia's leadership, using social media to post almost daily video updates excoriating it as incompetent, but stopping short of directly criticizing Putin. Prigozhin also said in Friday's video that the two goals Putin announced at the start of the war— the "demilitarization" and "de-Nazification" of Ukraine—were "pretty stories."Instead, he blamed Shoigu, the defense ministry and a "clan of oligarchs" for starting the war. He accused Shoigu of seeking glory and wanting "to rob" Ukraine and divide up its assets
wnyguy Posted Friday at 06:25 PM Posted Friday at 06:25 PM 26 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Ahhhh right. Fill the Zone with *****! Make truth irrelevant. Propaganda 101. Since launching the war, Putin has painted it as a defensive operation to protect Russia. He's claimed it was needed to stop imminent large-scale attacks from Ukraine on largely Russian-speaking eastern regions in Donbas that Russia has occupied since 2014. Prigozhin, whose fighters have played a leading role in the war, said that was not true and there had been no imminent risk of attack from Ukraine. Recent Stories from ABC News "The ministry of defense now is trying to deceive society, the president, and tell a story there was insane aggression from Ukraine and that they intended to attack us with the whole NATO bloc," Prigozhin said. "The Special Military Operation that began on Feb. 24 was started for completely different reasons," he said. Prigozhin has been in a public feud with Russia's defense ministry and its head Sergey Shoigu for months, blaming them for Russia's disastrous prosecution of the war. As Russia has faced deepening setbacks in Ukraine, he has become an unexpected, prominent critic of Russia's leadership, using social media to post almost daily video updates excoriating it as incompetent, but stopping short of directly criticizing Putin. Prigozhin also said in Friday's video that the two goals Putin announced at the start of the war— the "demilitarization" and "de-Nazification" of Ukraine—were "pretty stories."Instead, he blamed Shoigu, the defense ministry and a "clan of oligarchs" for starting the war. He accused Shoigu of seeking glory and wanting "to rob" Ukraine and divide up its assets Thanks for the insight on Prigozhin. And Putin fearing imminent attacks from Ukraine is laughable. Or is it? https://abcnews.go.com/International/cia-helped-rebuild-ukraine-intelligence-russia-invasion/story?id=116909361
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 07:11 PM Posted Friday at 07:11 PM (edited) 46 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Thanks for the insight on Prigozhin. And Putin fearing imminent attacks from Ukraine is laughable. Or is it? https://abcnews.go.com/International/cia-helped-rebuild-ukraine-intelligence-russia-invasion/story?id=116909361 It's a judgement call. I trust a patriotic, pro-war Russian nationalist who led what was at the time, the most effective unit in the Russian military to Russia'a greatest victory yet in this war over pretty much any other source. His statement pretty much refutes all of those other arguments. The fact he was then murdered for speaking the truth, trying to upend part of the system, and being better at his job than Putins other cronies just seals the deal. Edited Friday at 07:12 PM by Coffeesforclosers
wnyguy Posted Friday at 07:17 PM Posted Friday at 07:17 PM I have no doubt ha believed in what he said.
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 07:49 PM Posted Friday at 07:49 PM 26 minutes ago, wnyguy said: I have no doubt ha believed in what he said. Yup! I also think it's true, so there's our impasse.
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