NFL Scouting Combine 2024

[DCOrange]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Side note: not that it really matters for us because he's not a fit - but where was Malachi Corley?

 

Even if you're dealing with an injury and won't be doing anything on field, you still are at the Combine to meet with teams.

 

Odd that he wasn't there. Was he simply not invited?

Corley was invited. I haven't seen any verified reports about why he didn't do anything, but some random people on Twitter were replying to some of the questions about him saying that he caught Covid.

[Solomon Grundy]

Payton Wilson!! Will he be there at the Bills pick in the 3rd? He has the size and football temperament I'd like to see added to this roster. His athleticism is off the charts. He's played a lot of football. Milano's heir apparent? 

[John from Riverside]

11 hours ago, DCOrange said:

Corley was invited. I haven't seen any verified reports about why he didn't do anything, but some random people on Twitter were replying to some of the questions about him saying that he caught Covid.

I question that Corley is not a fit. He seems like he would be in the new coordinat offense

 

I want to double dip at wide receiver, and he seems like a good candidate

[DCOrange]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I question that Corley is not a fit. He seems like he would be in the new coordinat offense

 

I want to double dip at wide receiver, and he seems like a good candidate

The issue with Corley is he played pretty much exclusively out of the slot in college and almost all of his production came on screen passes. He has the physical tools to become a good WR but it really requires some projection/faith in coaching staff and even then, he's still almost certainly a slot in the NFL where we have Shakir slotted.

 

Personally, while upgrading from Gabe is easily the higher priority, I do think we could upgrade from Shakir in this year's draft if we chose to but it isn't a major need for us.

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

The issue with Corley is he played pretty much exclusively out of the slot in college and almost all of his production came on screen passes. He has the physical tools to become a good WR but it really requires some projection/faith in coaching staff and even then, he's still almost certainly a slot in the NFL where we have Shakir slotted.

 

Personally, while upgrading from Gabe is easily the higher priority, I do think we could upgrade from Shakir in this year's draft if we chose to but it isn't a major need for us.

 

didn't Shakir have the #1 success rate among all WR's in the league when targeted?   The dude was a stud in the playoffs. His acrobatic play for the TD against PIT then an insane catch for a TD against KC.  Would have had a 2nd TD if Dion Dawkins blocked another half second 

[DCOrange]

28 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

didn't Shakir have the #1 success rate among all WR's in the league when targeted?   The dude was a stud in the playoffs. His acrobatic play for the TD against PIT then an insane catch for a TD against KC.  Would have had a 2nd TD if Dion Dawkins blocked another half second 

Shakir was good this season, no doubt. He didn't do much against man coverage though; his target rate against man was extremely low and he wasn't very productive when he was targeted. I think most of the slot guys that are projected to go in the first two days and a few day 3 guys of the draft project better against man coverage than Shakir currently is/Shakir projected in college.

 

Shakir dominated against zone coverage this year, which is obviously still very valuable but we have a need for guys that can beat man coverage and that can come both out wide or in the slot.

 

Edit: I would add, Ladd McConkey's college metrics are very similar to Shakir's metrics this season. McConkey was #3 in the class in Targets/Pass Play and #2 in Yards/Route Run against zone, but #38 and #19 in those two metrics against man. Guys that shined in both of those metrics against man coverage and are likely slots in the NFL: Malik Nabers (could play anywhere but he obviously is out of reach barring a gigantic trade), Malachi Corley, Joshua Cephus, Malik Washington, Anthony Gould, Roman Wilson, and if we focus on 2022 instead of 2023, you could add Jacob Cowing and Jalen McMillan to the list as well.

Edited March 4 by DCOrange

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Shakir was good this season, no doubt. He didn't do much against man coverage though; his target rate against man was extremely low and he wasn't very productive when he was targeted. I think most of the slot guys that are projected to go in the first two days and a few day 3 guys of the draft project better against man coverage than Shakir currently is/Shakir projected in college.

 

Shakir dominated against zone coverage this year, which is obviously still very valuable but we have a need for guys that can beat man coverage and that can come both out wide or in the slot.

 

 

Yeah people see a player like Shakir or Bernard emerge who had underwhelmed prior and just assume those players are studs now.    Fans need to learn from the past.

 

Lot's of players have one successful season or a brief run where they look tremendous...........and then fall off dramatically for various reasons.   Shakir showed a lot of promise but competition and depth at slot can only help........and this is a good draft to find some.   Same goes for a guy like Torrence for me.   I am sure a lot of people assume it's just up and up for him now but they assumed the same with Spencer Brown and then were trying to run him out of town when he took a step back in year 2.   Maybe the best OL draft of the 2000's........so  it would be foolish to not select any just because you think you are set because Torrence had a decent rookie season.

 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah people see a player like Shakir or Bernard emerge who had underwhelmed prior and just assume those players are studs now.    Fans need to learn from the past.

 

Lot's of players have one successful season or a brief run where they look tremendous...........and then fall off dramatically for various reasons.   Shakir showed a lot of promise but competition and depth at slot can only help........and this is a good draft to find some.   Same goes for a guy like Torrence for me.   I am sure a lot of people assume it's just up and up for him now but they assumed the same with Spencer Brown and then were trying to run him out of town when he took a step back in year 2.   Maybe the best OL draft of the 2000's........so  it would be foolish to not select any just because you think you are set because Torrence had a decent rookie season.

 

 

I think they should be open to OL all the way through. Even if they keep Morse this year, looking to 2025 he is surely gone. So that brings IOL into play (McGovern could slide to center if you draft a guard or stay where he is if you draft a center) and avoids the situation we are in with safety now where your vet ages out and the cupboard is bare in terms of in house options. At OT Dion had an excellent season in 2023 but you and I have talked many times about his body type gets harder to manage with every passing year as he hits his 30s. Brown is a UFA after the season. I suspect they are leaning towards an extension but it would be nice to have a young tackle in the building as insurance for that not working out.

[John from Riverside]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they should be open to OL all the way through. Even if they keep Morse this year, looking to 2025 he is surely gone. So that brings IOL into play (McGovern could slide to center if you draft a guard or stay where he is if you draft a center) and avoids the situation we are in with safety now where your vet ages out and the cupboard is bare in terms of in house options. At OT Dion had an excellent season in 2023 but you and I have talked many times about his body type gets harder to manage with every passing year as he hits his 30s. Brown is a UFA after the season. I suspect they are leaning towards an extension but it would be nice to have a young tackle in the building as insurance for that not working out.

Like cornerback, we should take an offensive lineman every year

[Mat68]

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Like cornerback, we should take an offensive lineman every year

Depth yes.  I find it difficult to justify on either day 1 or 2.  Too many immediate needs over Cb and Oline need addressed.  Now a Cb with saftey/nickle versatility I would understand because saftey is very thin in numbers and answers past 24.   

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Payton Wilson!! Will he be there at the Bills pick in the 3rd? He has the size and football temperament I'd like to see added to this roster. His athleticism is off the charts. He's played a lot of football. Milano's heir apparent? 

 

Love him. He's an animal. I don't think they do it though. 

[colin]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

Shakir was good this season, no doubt. He didn't do much against man coverage though; his target rate against man was extremely low and he wasn't very productive when he was targeted. I think most of the slot guys that are projected to go in the first two days and a few day 3 guys of the draft project better against man coverage than Shakir currently is/Shakir projected in college.

 

Shakir dominated against zone coverage this year, which is obviously still very valuable but we have a need for guys that can beat man coverage and that can come both out wide or in the slot.

 

Edit: I would add, Ladd McConkey's college metrics are very similar to Shakir's metrics this season. McConkey was #3 in the class in Targets/Pass Play and #2 in Yards/Route Run against zone, but #38 and #19 in those two metrics against man. Guys that shined in both of those metrics against man coverage and are likely slots in the NFL: Malik Nabers (could play anywhere but he obviously is out of reach barring a gigantic trade), Malachi Corley, Joshua Cephus, Malik Washington, Anthony Gould, Roman Wilson, and if we focus on 2022 instead of 2023, you could add Jacob Cowing and Jalen McMillan to the list as well.

 

this and his wiggle and how hard he drives to get yards makes me think a lot of prime beez when i watch shakir.  beez also got wiped by good man coverage.

 

i think we need a man killer, big fast w hands.  route running is a good plus, but i want a dk metcalf type who can run 3 or 4 total routes but still open things up and put the fear of god into the d.  if dbs have to turn and run vs josh, he can hit someone about a mile away, and can run w the best of them too.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think they should be open to OL all the way through. Even if they keep Morse this year, looking to 2025 he is surely gone. So that brings IOL into play (McGovern could slide to center if you draft a guard or stay where he is if you draft a center) and avoids the situation we are in with safety now where your vet ages out and the cupboard is bare in terms of in house options. At OT Dion had an excellent season in 2023 but you and I have talked many times about his body type gets harder to manage with every passing year as he hits his 30s. Brown is a UFA after the season. I suspect they are leaning towards an extension but it would be nice to have a young tackle in the building as insurance for that not working out.

 

 

Yeah regarding offensive line in this draft.........needs change FAST.

 

I often cite that 2014 draft where the Bills passed on Aaron Donald.   I couldn't find a soul on TSW interested in Donald because the Bills had a DL of Mario/Dareus/KW/Hughes so it wasn't an immediate need.   The "Cold Front" turned out to be a brief bluster and in the 2016 draft the DL was the #1 need of the team.

[The Jokeman]

6 hours ago, colin said:

 

this and his wiggle and how hard he drives to get yards makes me think a lot of prime beez when i watch shakir.  beez also got wiped by good man coverage.

 

i think we need a man killer, big fast w hands.  route running is a good plus, but i want a dk metcalf type who can run 3 or 4 total routes but still open things up and put the fear of god into the d.  if dbs have to turn and run vs josh, he can hit someone about a mile away, and can run w the best of them too.

Xavier Leggette is as close to Metcalf you'll see although some say his RAS is more Andre Johnson but he just doesn't have college production. Yet think he favorably compares to Eric Moulds too.

 

 

Edited March 5 by The Jokeman

[The Jokeman]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Like cornerback, we should take an offensive lineman every year

Some would argue to draft a QB every draft too as if unearth a diamond in rubble could turn it into valuable draft picks. Ron Wolf had great success doing so in Green Bay.