CNYfan Posted February 27 Posted February 27 BWRA - regardless of position. Although I believe it is going to be DE in the first Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 10 minutes ago, CNYfan said: BWRA - regardless of position. Although I believe it is going to be DE in the first Possible, for sure. I think having some pass rush is more important than getting the very best outside deep threat. The Bills are paying Josh Allen major $ to elevate those around him and he has done that effectively. They DO need a WR to replace Davis - ideally a great one, but a great WR with no pass rush on D is still a big problem. Question is, will there be a good DE or DT prospect that is as good as the WR prospects that could be there. Even though they are really in bad with the cap, they can probably re-sign Shaq Lawson, so rookie needs to have better upside than him. Quote
BBFL Posted February 27 Posted February 27 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I want Thomas to do well but not too well. I don't want to settle for Mitchell or Legette. Sweat at 60 would be amazing. I think Thomas Jr. dramatically improves his pre-combine position on most people big board. Feel he shoots into the top 20 prospects overall and sadly will be gone by the time #28 rolls around. Hopefully not but the kid had a phenomenal season in college and just has to test well for the current mock positioning to be a hope and a prayer. 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BBFL said: I think Thomas Jr. dramatically improves his pre-combine position on most people big board. Feel he shoots into the top 20 prospects overall and sadly will be gone by the time #28 rolls around. Hopefully not but the kid had a phenomenal season in college and just has to test well for the current mock positioning to be a hope and a prayer. I completely agree. My fear is he has a great combine and maybe even a sub 4.4 time. This will probably put us out of range. Franklin would still be an excellent plan B. I'm not considering Mitchell till the 2nd round. We all know the primary positions of need for the first 4 selections (wr, dt, s, de). We just don't know the order? And another fear is Andy jumping us for whoever we target. He knows we're his biggest obstacle. Edited February 27 by LABILLBACKER 2 Quote
In Summary Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) Separation skills and hands above all for the WR. If the receiver can't separate until deep or late, then there are few opportunities for them to contribute. If they can only separate in the short areas, then we have another slot guy - which we don't need. Downfield blocking, size, and height for contested catches are secondary. For the times you can't "scheme a guy open", you want some natural separation skills. Replacing Davis is thinking too small. Bills need to draft a guy to be the #1 because by the time he "gets it" in year 2, Diggs won't be a dominant #1. Think ahead, not behind. Then, by all means do draft another receiver in rounds 3-5 that has scary speed or high RAS. Edited March 1 by In Summary Typo 2 1 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 31 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I completely agree. My fear is he has a great combine and maybe even a sub 4.4 time. This will probably put us out of range. Franklin would still be an excellent plan B. I'm not considering Mitchell till the 2nd round. We all know the primary positions of need for the first 4 selections (wr, dt, s, de). We just don't know the order? And another fear is Andy jumping us for whoever we target. He knows we're his biggest obstacle. I think this is over played here. Andy Reid and the Chiefs are not plotting how to beat the Bills exclusively - especially not right now when the Bills don’t have enough defensive players under contract to even field a team. Spending a 2nd or 3rd to move up to block a possible KC move up further deprives the Bills of picks to find defensive players who likely will have to play a lot this season. Edited February 27 by OldTimer1960 1 Quote
KingBoots8 Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, In Summary said: Separation skills and hands above all for the WR. If the receiver can't separate until deep or late, then there are few opportunities for them to contribute. If they can only separate in the short areas, then we have another slot guy - which we don't need. Downfield blocking, size, and height for contested catches are secondary. For the times you can't "scheme a guy open", you want some natural separation skills. Replacing Davis is thinking too small. Bills need to draft a guy to be the #1 because by the time get "gets it" in year 2, Diggs won't be a dominant #1. Think ahead, not behind. Then, by all means do draft another receiver in rounds 3-5 that has scary speed or high RAS. This is the correct mentality. We are not drafting a replacement for Gabe- we are drafting the heir to Diggs. We don’t want a WR2, we want a WR1 who is only #2 because Diggs is still a top-10 WR (on paper). By next year Diggs and Rookie will hopefully be about even. 1 Quote
jkeerie Posted February 27 Posted February 27 One Bills Live just had Daniel Jeremiah on. He was talking about positions in this draft. He said the D line position drops off dramatically by the middle of the 2nd round whereas there is depth at WR. Based on the Bills needs he opined that at 28, you grab your Dline player Edge or Tackle and wait on your WR. The only exception he'd make is if Brian Thomas is there. His concern about Tony Franklin is his frame. He's like Tank Dell who had an outstanding year, but wasn't durable enough to be available in the playoffs. He thinks Adonai Mitchell will also show well at the combine and at his pro day or individual workouts. At Safety, he has none in his Top 50 players. He sees them mainly as depth pieces who will largely play on Special Teams as opposed to being immediate starters, although he did sight Tyler Nubin's productivity at Minnesota. Quote
Andrew Son Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: One Bills Live just had Daniel Jeremiah on. He was talking about positions in this draft. He said the D line position drops off dramatically by the middle of the 2nd round whereas there is depth at WR. Based on the Bills needs he opined that at 28, you grab your Dline player Edge or Tackle and wait on your WR. The only exception he'd make is if Brian Thomas is there. His concern about Tony Franklin is his frame. He's like Tank Dell who had an outstanding year, but wasn't durable enough to be available in the playoffs. He thinks Adonai Mitchell will also show well at the combine and at his pro day or individual workouts. At Safety, he has none in his Top 50 players. He sees them mainly as depth pieces who will largely play on Special Teams as opposed to being immediate starters, although he did sight Tyler Nubin's productivity at Minnesota. I think Safety will be the position we address in FA Quote
BBFL Posted February 27 Posted February 27 22 minutes ago, In Summary said: Separation skills and hands above all for the WR. If the receiver can't separate until deep or late, then there are few opportunities for them to contribute. If they can only separate in the short areas, then we have another slot guy - which we don't need. Downfield blocking, size, and height for contested catches are secondary. For the times you can't "scheme a guy open", you want some natural separation skills. Replacing Davis is thinking too small. Bills need to draft a guy to be the #1 because by the time get "gets it" in year 2, Diggs won't be a dominant #1. Think ahead, not behind. Then, by all means do draft another receiver in rounds 3-5 that has scary speed or high RAS. Pairing all that in, maybe a trade up is inevitable? There is a lot of great talent in this draft @ WR. Though only a handful of guys who are seen as legitimate #1 dominant guys. Quote
jkeerie Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Just now, SWATeam said: I think Safety will be the position we address in FA I agree. There are plenty available that won't command too much. It makes sense to address those positions in the draft that carry large cap numbers...WR, DT, Edge, CB, OT and build those positions through the draft. 2 Quote
KingBoots8 Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think this is over played here. Andy Reid and the Chiefs are not plotting how to beat the Bills exclusively - especially not right now when the Bills don’t have enough defensive players under contract to even field a team. Spending a 2nd or 3rd to move up to block a possible KC move up further deprives the Bills of picks to find defensive players who likely will have to play a lot this season. KC could spend a future pick to move up. They just won with Rashee Rice and a bunch of JAGS at WR and know full well they could possibly run it back with the addition of an elite/high level WR coming in. I don’t think they are plotting how to beat the Bills necessarily but they know we want a WR so we are the one they need to jump. A 1st and 3rd can get them from 32 up to possibly 25, with 3 NFC teams in front of us that’s more doable than within conference. If they see their future WR1 in this draft they will move to get him. Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 17 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: This is the correct mentality. We are not drafting a replacement for Gabe- we are drafting the heir to Diggs. We don’t want a WR2, we want a WR1 who is only #2 because Diggs is still a top-10 WR (on paper). By next year Diggs and Rookie will hopefully be about even. Isn’t that always the case? Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 18 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: KC could spend a future pick to move up. They just won with Rashee Rice and a bunch of JAGS at WR and know full well they could possibly run it back with the addition of an elite/high level WR coming in. I don’t think they are plotting how to beat the Bills necessarily but they know we want a WR so we are the one they need to jump. A 1st and 3rd can get them from 32 up to possibly 25, with 3 NFC teams in front of us that’s more doable than within conference. If they see their future WR1 in this draft they will move to get him. Again, I don’t think it is good business to run your draft worrying about what KC might do. The flip-side of what you said is that KC won with an aging Travis Kelce, Rashee Rice and some nobodies at receiver because they have Mahomes and a very strong defense. If not for their defense carrying them during the season, KC might have missed the playoffs after Mahomes missed time. 2 Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 27 Posted February 27 In Beanes presser from todays he mentioned wanting to find players that can help with explosives because the bills "see a ton of two high shell". That screams speed to me....someone who can take a short pass and go 10+ with it to get them out of that look. Worthy? Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: In Beanes presser from todays he mentioned wanting to find players that can help with explosives because the bills "see a ton of two high shell". That screams speed to me....someone who can take a short pass and go 10+ with it to get them out of that look. Worthy? Franklin & Worthy are the 2 I immediately thought of 1 Quote
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 27 Posted February 27 2 hours ago, Logic said: What I really want is a mole stationed at the St Elmo steakhouse this week, taking notes and relaying them via morse code. IYKYK. You'll also need to cover Shapiro's Deli on Meridian Street at lunch time. It usually gets a big combine crowd for lunch. 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted February 27 Posted February 27 3 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: KC could spend a future pick to move up. They just won with Rashee Rice and a bunch of JAGS at WR and know full well they could possibly run it back with the addition of an elite/high level WR coming in. I don’t think they are plotting how to beat the Bills necessarily but they know we want a WR so we are the one they need to jump. A 1st and 3rd can get them from 32 up to possibly 25, with 3 NFC teams in front of us that’s more doable than within conference. If they see their future WR1 in this draft they will move to get him. Travis Kelce!! Would Bowers be in play for KC? 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Franklin & Worthy are the 2 I immediately thought of I'm thinking Franklin & Legette. Legette has that RAC ability. The tape don't lie. Combine will be huuuge 1 Quote
Neo Posted February 28 Posted February 28 6 hours ago, Logic said: What I really want is a mole stationed at the St Elmo steakhouse this week, taking notes and relaying them via morse code. IYKYK. Old Fashioned and a shrimp cocktail. Next night, Harry and Izzy’s. 1 Quote
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