KingBoots8 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) Figured it was time to start one of these. Coaches, GMs, and teams are gathering at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis to see which players impress athletically and mentally as they perform drills, medical evaluations, and interviews. After this week we will see perhaps the largest adjustment to mock draft placement for players, with incremental changes as pro days and private workouts further narrow down the likely landing spot of 250+ future NFL players… whether they make the cut or live up to their draft position will be determined. Combine Schedule: Thursday, 2/29 3pm – Defensive Linemen, Linebackers Friday, 3/1, 3pm – Defensive Backs, Tight Ends Saturday, 3/2, 1pm – Quarterbacks, Wide Receivers, Running Backs Sunday, 3/3, 1pm – Offensive Linemen Projected Positions of Need (pre- Free Agency): Primary - WR, DT, S, DE Secondary - RB, OT, OC Personal Watch List: WR: Brian Thomas Jr, Troy Franklin, AD Mitchell, Xavier Leggette, Keon Coleman, Johnny Wilson, Brenden Rice, Jacob Cowing, DT: Kris Jenkins, Braden Fiske, T’Vondre Sweat, McKinnley Jackson, Masson Smith, Leonard Taylor, Jordan Jefferson, Keith Randolph Jr S: Javon Bullard, Tykee Smith, Cole Bishop, Jaden Hicks, Malik Mustapha, Trey Taylor, Kenny Logan Jr DE: Laiatu Latu, Chop Robinson, Darius Robinson, Jonah Ellis, Bralen Trice, Austin Booker, Marshawn Kneeland, Javon Solomon, Justin Eboigbe, Mohamed Kamara Bills Related Combine Media RESULTS https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/live-results/bench-press/all-positions/all-colleges/ THURSDAY RESULTS: DL, LB Edited February 29 by KingBoots8 Updates / Results 12 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I want Thomas to do well but not too well. I don't want to settle for Mitchell or Legette. Sweat at 60 would be amazing. 1 2 Quote
NewEra Posted February 27 Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I want Thomas to do well but not too well. I don't want to settle for Mitchell or Legette. Sweat at 60 would be amazing. What about Franklin? 1 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 27 Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, NewEra said: What about Franklin? Right after Thomas on my rankings. I want to guarantee we get at least one 6-3/6-4 frame guy with some speed. Love Franklin but Thomas anywhere near 28 has to be grabbed. 1 Quote
NewEra Posted February 27 Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Right after Thomas on my rankings. I want to guarantee we get at least one 6-3/6-4 frame guy with some speed. Love Franklin but Thomas anywhere near 28 has to be grabbed. Agreed. I’ll be happy with Thomas or Franklin. I might even be happy with Leggette (I don’t think we need a guy that’s 6’3, rather just someone that can make plays downfield and be a threat to score any time). Can't see Thomas being an option unless we trade up to the 17-23 range. That said, I don’t see a scenario in which we stay at 28 and draft Franklin. He’d be an incredible fit in KC imo and Beane has to be thinking about them trading up ahead of us to get him. Beane might not be able to sit and hope. 1 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 27 Posted February 27 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. I’ll be happy with Thomas or Franklin. I might even be happy with Leggette (I don’t think we need a guy that’s 6’3, rather just someone that can make plays downfield and be a threat to score any time). Can't see Thomas being an option unless we trade up to the 17-23 range. That said, I don’t see a scenario in which we stay at 28 and draft Franklin. He’d be an incredible fit in KC imo and Beane has to be thinking about them trading up ahead of us to get him. Beane might not be able to sit and hope. It would be too expensive to trade up in the 17-20 range, but 21 and up I'd pull the trigger. You know Andy will absolutely go after one of these 2 guys. Quote
schoolhouserock Posted February 27 Posted February 27 38 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I want Thomas to do well but not too well. I don't want to settle for Mitchell or Legette. Sweat at 60 would be amazing. I too am on Thomas watch. He would look great as a Bill! I can’t get myself to hold out hope for Sweat at 60. Maybe a trade up candidate if he slides into the late 40’s? Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted February 27 Posted February 27 3 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: Figured it was time to start one of these. Coaches, GMs, and teams are gathering at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis to see which players impress athletically and mentally as they perform drills, medical evaluations, and interviews. After this week we will see perhaps the largest adjustment to mock draft placement for players, with incremental changes as pro days and private workouts further narrow down the likely landing spot of 250+ future NFL players… whether they make the cut or live up to their draft position will be determined. Combine Schedule: Thursday, 2/29 3pm – Defensive Linemen, Linebackers Friday, 3/1, 3pm – Defensive Backs, Tight Ends Saturday, 3/2, 1pm – Quarterbacks, Wide Receivers, Running Backs Sunday, 3/3, 1pm – Offensive Linemen Projected Positions of Need (pre- Free Agency): Primary - WR, DT, S, DE Secondary - RB, OT, OC Personal Watch List: WR: Brian Thomas Jr, Troy Franklin, AD Mitchell, Xavier Leggette, Keon Coleman, Johnny Wilson, Brenden Rice, Jacob Cowing, DT: Kris Jenkins, Braden Fiske, T’Vondre Sweat, McKinnley Jackson, Masson Smith, Leonard Taylor, Jordan Jefferson, Keith Randolph Jr S: Javon Bullard, Tykee Smith, Cole Bishop, Jaden Hicks, Malik Mustapha, Trey Taylor, Kenny Logan Jr DE: Laiatu Latu, Chop Robinson, Darius Robinson, Jonah Ellis, Bralen Trice, Austin Booker, Marshawn Kneeland, Javon Solomon, Justin Eboigbe, Mohamed Kamara Good on you for volunteering to keep us all up to the minute on all 4 days of the combine workouts. 2 1 Quote
KingBoots8 Posted February 27 Author Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: It would be too expensive to trade up in the 17-20 range, but 21 and up I'd pull the trigger. You know Andy will absolutely go after one of these 2 guys. I agree 100%. Outside of 20 is just too expensive with our needs. There are quality WRs to be had in every round of this draft. If Thomas and Franklin are floating around after 21 go get your guy. God knows KC is looking for theirs, so let’s not get passed up if we need to move. 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Good on you for volunteering to keep us all up to the minute on all 4 days of the combine workouts. I’ll do my best lol. Provided systems stay up at work I should be able to manage updates fairly well. 2 Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I am going to really be watching Roman Wilson he’s one of those guys that he would just excel with the Bills and he’s a big game player something this team desperately needs at WR. Gotta see a sub 4.4 though 2 Quote
DCOrange Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Brian Thomas is one of those guys where I'm kinda hoping he has a disappointing combine so that he slides a little further down the draft board. The ones where I think it's actually an important part of the evaluation would be Legette, Coleman, Mitchell, and McConkey. Like if Coleman were to run a 4.6 (which I do not think he will), he's no longer in consideration in the first round for me. Likewise with McConkey and Mitchell. If Legette can hit the 4.3's or god forbid the 4.2's, I might be a little more interested than I currently am, but my hesitance with him is pretty well known. 2 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted February 27 Posted February 27 Give me speed at WR, I don't care about size. We need someone who can win the short/intermediate routes, with deep play ability who can be relied on as a #2 (potential for #1 in future). This will definitely be a key draft for Beane to get us over the hump. Then take another in thr 4th-5th, who is more deep threat/size type. We need a more balanced group of WRs, like GB built. Mix of different skill sets. We can make a significant jump in skill players this offseason, similar to Ravens/Pack, if our young guys keep developing and we hit big on our 1st rounder (WR) and can find a capable #2 back. 1 Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 I'd like to see Franklin hit the magic # on the bench. He's my #1 outside of the top 3 but if he can't pass the commonly-held threshold (can't recall what it is, 9? 10?) I'd get concerned he'd be too vulnerable vs. press coverage Quote
NewEra Posted February 27 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: It would be too expensive to trade up in the 17-20 range, but 21 and up I'd pull the trigger. You know Andy will absolutely go after one of these 2 guys. For sure. I think it’ll be too expensive to trade up to 21-24. I don’t see Beane giving up a 3rd Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) 51 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Brian Thomas is one of those guys where I'm kinda hoping he has a disappointing combine so that he slides a little further down the draft board. The ones where I think it's actually an important part of the evaluation would be Legette, Coleman, Mitchell, and McConkey. Like if Coleman were to run a 4.6 (which I do not think he will), he's no longer in consideration in the first round for me. Likewise with McConkey and Mitchell. If Legette can hit the 4.3's or god forbid the 4.2's, I might be a little more interested than I currently am, but my hesitance with him is pretty well known. I think the larger guy that can offer downfield availability is important. If they miss out on big and fast, they might be able to still find guys who can be active and make downfield plays on the many occasions that Josh holds the ball and scrambles around. I think Rice is somewhat limited in speed and fluidity, but he stays active on those kind of plays - think Legette and Coleman and Mitchell could all fit that bill with coaching. We need to remember that we (many of us) think Gabe Davis is pretty limited and the offense functioned pretty well with him. They should be able to find someone who can (with experience) do what Gabe did - maybe better or more consistently - somewhere in the first 3 rounds. There are some mainly slot guys with some intriguing ability, but before you take them, you have to ask how much of an upgrade are they from Shakir (no sure thing, but finished very strong) and if the combo of new slot guy and Shakir can somehow file the outside receiver spot adequately. For example, Roman Wilson has speed enough to be a deep threat, but is mostly a slot guy - same for Xavier Worthy - would you really want to line up with Diggs, Shakir and Wilson/Worthy most of the time? Edited February 27 by OldTimer1960 Quote
DCOrange Posted February 27 Posted February 27 9 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think the larger guy that can offer downfield availability is important. If they miss out on big and fast, they might be able to still find guys who can be active and make downfield plays on the many occasions that Josh holds the ball and scrambles around. I think Rice is somewhat limited in speed and fluidity, but he stays active on those kind of plays - think Legette and Coleman and Mitchell could all fit that bill with coaching. We need to remember that we (many of us) think Gabe Davis is pretty limited and the offense functioned pretty well with him. They should be able to find someone who can (with experience) do what Gabe did - maybe better or more consistently - somewhere in the first 3 rounds. There are some mainly slot guys with some intriguing ability, but before you take them, you have to ask how much of an upgrade are they from Shakir (no sure thing, but finished very strong) and if the combo of new slot guy and Shakir can somehow file the outside receiver spot adequately. For example, Roman Wilson has speed enough to be a deep threat, but is mostly a slot guy - same for Xavier Worthy - would you really want to line up with Diggs, Shakir and Wilson/Worthy most of the time? I am still kinda lukewarm on Shakir personally. I think he's a valuable WR for sure and there's plenty of potential for him to become a huge factor, but for now, he's more of a zone specialist. The difference in his production vs. man coverage compared to zone was pretty huge this year. I think someone like Roman Wilson could potentially be a significant upgrade against man coverage. I am admittedly quite low on Worthy, but I would also mention that he played most of his snaps out wide in college. I think he projects as someone that can play the slot but is probably more of a Z WR right now. Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I am still kinda lukewarm on Shakir personally. I think he's a valuable WR for sure and there's plenty of potential for him to become a huge factor, but for now, he's more of a zone specialist. The difference in his production vs. man coverage compared to zone was pretty huge this year. I think someone like Roman Wilson could potentially be a significant upgrade against man coverage. I am admittedly quite low on Worthy, but I would also mention that he played most of his snaps out wide in college. I think he projects as someone that can play the slot but is probably more of a Z WR right now. You could be right on all counts. I agree that Shakir is still a question mark, but one with a promising finish to last season. I’d say he is penciled in as the slot guy, but could be replaced with a top level prospect. I’m not sure Wilson is yet a big step up in terms of freeing up from man, but I understand he showed better at that than expected at Sr Bowl. I think there are enough good slot guys that they can find one later to pair with Shakir. My min concern (for whatever that’s worth) is finding someone with size, hands and enough route running ability to take Davis’ spot. Again, Davis was OK, but hopefully they can do better. Downfield ability is important, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be a 4.3 guy to be effective. 1 Quote
Logic Posted February 27 Posted February 27 What I really want is a mole stationed at the St Elmo steakhouse this week, taking notes and relaying them via morse code. IYKYK. 2 Quote
DCOrange Posted February 27 Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: You could be right on all counts. I agree that Shakir is still a question mark, but one with a promising finish to last season. I’d say he is penciled in as the slot guy, but could be replaced with a top level prospect. I’m not sure Wilson is yet a big step up in terms of freeing up from man, but I understand he showed better at that than expected at Sr Bowl. I think there are enough good slot guys that they can find one later to pair with Shakir. My min concern (for whatever that’s worth) is finding someone with size, hands and enough route running ability to take Davis’ spot. Again, Davis was OK, but hopefully they can do better. Downfield ability is important, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be a 4.3 guy to be effective. Agreed. Replacing Gabe is easily a higher priority. Quote
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