Tasker & Chris Brown on Bills CB’s for 2024

[Mat68]

Douglas Benford Elam are the main outside Cbs moving forward.  White is an interesting.  Cant rely on him moving forward.  He is a Mcdermott guy.  Curious how they handle him. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, CNYfan said:

Could you remind me of what your "theory about what is the best solution for Tre White's Contract"?

 

It is that he has not a single extra dollar due from the Bills at this point and his best chance of rehabbing and getting back to form is here where the regime love him, the team knows his body and he knows the scheme. Therefore there is incentive to offer him a small amount of guaranteed new money (I suggested $8m, I think Joe B suggested $10m) in exchange for him taking a significant cut in the unguaranteed chunks he is due in 2024 and 2025. That way you lower his cap hits to about $10m per year the next two years, kick a little bit of the bonus into some void years beyond 2025 (and I'm talking max $4-5m spread over two years) and give yourself Tre under contract in 2024 while still saving the same $$s off the cap as cutting him would and you get an out after 2024 so if he is washed or he gets hurt again you can move on and it costs you less than the $10m in dead money it costs now if we cut him. 

[Shortchaz]

24 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

KC ranks defensive pass interference last 5 years since Spags took over:

 

2023: 8th most (11)

2022: most (15, next closest was Ravens with 12)

2021: 3rd most (13)

2020: 3rd most (17)

2019: 6th most (11)

 

They were worst in the league in defensive holding in 2019 by a lot (five more than any other team), third worst in 2020, and have managed to be average to barely above average in 2021, 2022 and 2023—largely because they're being flagged for PI's at a league-high rate in that 3-year period instead. 

I’m slightly curious what the numbers look like in the playoffs. I FEEL like the absolute number of calls decline. 
 

this could be because the teams learn throughout the season what they can get away with OR the nfl simply adopts a more let them play stance in the playoffs; or a combination of both. 
 

I still feel like a team playing man the whole year gains an advantage during the playoffs where man coverage gives the defense more options. 
 

the chiefs have thrived (especially in the playoffs) regardless of their rank in dpi and dh since spags. 

Edited February 26 by Shortchaz

[CNYfan]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is that he has not a single extra dollar due from the Bills at this point and his best chance of rehabbing and getting back to form is here where the regime love him, the team knows his body and he knows the scheme. Therefore there is incentive to offer him a small amount of guaranteed new money (I suggested $8m, I think Joe B suggested $10m) in exchange for him taking a significant cut in the unguaranteed chunks he is due in 2024 and 2025. That way you lower his cap hits to about $10m per year the next two years, kick a little bit of the bonus into some void years beyond 2025 (and I'm talking max $4-5m spread over two years) and give yourself Tre under contract in 2024 while still saving the same $$s off the cap as cutting him would and you get an out after 2024 so if he is washed or he gets hurt again you can move on and it costs you less than the $10m in dead money it costs now if we cut him. 

Wow.   That is some technical thinking.  

[Malazan]

Tasker took a lot of hits to the head during his time in the league.

 

I have no explanation for Brown.

[beebe]

19 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

I’m slightly curious what the numbers look like in the playoffs. I FEEL like the absolute number of calls decline. 
 

this could be because the teams learn throughout the season what they can get away with OR the nfl simply adopts a more let them play stance in the playoffs; or a combination of both. 
 

I still feel like a team playing man the whole year gains an advantage during the playoffs where man coverage gives the defense more options. 
 

the chiefs have thrived (especially in the playoffs) regardless of their rank in dpi and dh since spags. 

 

This article is pretty good overall: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39483957/super-bowl-kansas-city-chiefs-penalties-conspiracy

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He got cooked in the Jags game. He wasn’t right most of the year. Coaches and teammates talked about what he was dealing with injury wise.

 

But please stop saying he’s bad because Benford is better. Benford is one of the best CBs in the NFL. Dane Jackson is a pro. He started a lot of games for McDermott. He trusted him. Elam is a player the Bills have to find out about. He has definitely been inconsistent, I won’t argue against that. But he hasn’t been all bad. 

 

 

 

Benford is not close to one of the best CBs in the NFL. 
 

Despite Elams struggles and very limited time on the field he may have made more impact plays then Dane and Benford. At this point I don’t see him getting much playing time here moving forward. McD gonna go with the player who is better between the ears than the most physically gifted almost every time. Look at Klien and Williams in the playoffs

Edited February 26 by BananaB

[BuffaloRebound]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is that he has not a single extra dollar due from the Bills at this point and his best chance of rehabbing and getting back to form is here where the regime love him, the team knows his body and he knows the scheme. Therefore there is incentive to offer him a small amount of guaranteed new money (I suggested $8m, I think Joe B suggested $10m) in exchange for him taking a significant cut in the unguaranteed chunks he is due in 2024 and 2025. That way you lower his cap hits to about $10m per year the next two years, kick a little bit of the bonus into some void years beyond 2025 (and I'm talking max $4-5m spread over two years) and give yourself Tre under contract in 2024 while still saving the same $$s off the cap as cutting him would and you get an out after 2024 so if he is washed or he gets hurt again you can move on and it costs you less than the $10m in dead money it costs now if we cut him. 

I don’t know.  Seemed like Bills had to coax Tre back on field after the ACL injury.  Add the achilles tear and there’s no way I’m guaranteeing him any new money.  We all love Tre but it’s time to move on.  

[T master]

They have had Cosell on & he has said that Ilam is their most athletic CB on the team . Given that he had a injury last year & didn't get the reps needed then was brought back at the end of the season due to other injuries i HOPE with a full training camp & OTA's plus being in the defensive meetings he can come in & be a force for the Bills .

 

I hate that Tre looks as if he won't be here or at the very least be cut de to his cap hit . I've heard he probably won't be ready for the season even though he has been at the facility working his butt off rehabbing .

 

The back end of the D this year will look quite different . Actually the entire D will look very different from last year come training camp ...

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He got cooked in the Jags game. He wasn’t right most of the year. Coaches and teammates talked about what he was dealing with injury wise.

 

But please stop saying he’s bad because Benford is better. Benford is one of the best CBs in the NFL. Dane Jackson is a pro. He started a lot of games for McDermott. He trusted him. Elam is a player the Bills have to find out about. He has definitely been inconsistent, I won’t argue against that. But he hasn’t been all bad. 

 

I am talking about Elam not Benford.  Elam has not shown he is starting material compared to other CBs on roster.

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

This is really strange to me.  Douglas is an impact player and made a big difference for us.  Saying Elam and Benford are more athletic and therefore will start? Odd.

 

Douglas should be viewed as CB1 and let Benford and Elam compete for CB2.

 

I guess they also assumed Tre will no longer be with the team

 

I think a lot of what is going to happen with Douglas will be seen in the money he sees here for next year. Right now he's scheduled to count a tad over $9M on the cap. He won't be that high if a deal is done. They would lessen his cap hit I'm sure. But how many years and guaranteed cash will tell us where they view him.

 

Of course, another option would be to cut/trade and clear that $9M off the books completely. We swapped picks for him and I do think we got our bang for the buck if it comes to this. But I see it as highly unlikely.

22 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t know.  Seemed like Bills had to coax Tre back on field after the ACL injury.  Add the achilles tear and there’s no way I’m guaranteeing him any new money.  We all love Tre but it’s time to move on.  

I don't know that it's "time to move on" from Tre. I don't know his medicals and how his mindset really is. But I would agree it's not prudent for him to be at the salary he's due this this. If he's in a good place mentally and the medicals are clear there's no reason he couldn't come back with a bit of a pay cut and turn part of his money into incentives.

[julian]

4 hours ago, BananaB said:

Benford might be the most overrated player on this team amongst fans. But that’s normal, Bills fans fall in love with average play from a late round pick

Thank you, I thought I was going crazy and maybe I missed something. Benford has been a good player and still has room to improve, but people acting like he’s locked it down and there’s no need to try an improve that position is kinda nuts.

 

 He’s the new Levi Wallace until or unless he takes another jump in his play, and there’s nothing wrong with being the next Levi Wallace but when you’re that guy you must know they’re trying to upgrade your position every year and it’s a competition in camp.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

40 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

 

I am talking about Elam not Benford.  Elam has not shown he is starting material compared to other CBs on roster.

Thats fair. Look at the CBs the Bills have.

 

Film shows he can play. Needs reps.

5 hours ago, BananaB said:

Benford might be the most overrated player on this team amongst fans. But that’s normal, Bills fans fall in love with average play from a late round pick

Overrated how? He’s one of the best at not allowing separation. One of the best in the NFL. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

27 minutes ago, julian said:

Thank you, I thought I was going crazy and maybe I missed something. Benford has been a good player and still has room to improve, but people acting like he’s locked it down and there’s no need to try an improve that position is kinda nuts.

 

 He’s the new Levi Wallace until or unless he takes another jump in his play, and there’s nothing wrong with being the next Levi Wallace but when you’re that guy you must know they’re trying to upgrade your position every year and it’s a competition in camp.

Find Benford and then find Wallace. Levi Wallace? What are you even watching? Are you basing that on anything or just blindly saying something?

 

 

 

[Logic]

I think there's very, very little chance that Rasul Douglas doesn't get extended and spend the next several years as a Buffalo Bill.

He absolutely screams "process" and "McDermott guy", plus he was wildly productive in his first year with the Bills.

I think Benford and Douglas is your starting duo in 2024 and 2025. Hopefully Elam takes a step now that he's healthy and pushes both guys, and becomes valuable depth at both spots and the first off the bench.

Tre White...I just don't know what to do with him. I think there are emotional and locker room and leadership aspects that make this one a bit cloudy. Literally no outcome with Tre White -- cut, extension, leaving his contract as-is -- would surprise me at this point. 

The only thing I feel really confident about going into 2024 is that Benford and Douglas will be the top two corners. Everything else is a little hazy at the moment and depends on health, money, and the progression (or lack thereof) of Kaiir Elam.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, Logic said:

I think there's very, very little chance that Rasul Douglas doesn't get extended and spend the next several years as a Buffalo Bill.

He absolutely screams "process" and "McDermott guy", plus he was wildly productive in his first year with the Bills.

I think Benford and Douglas is your starting duo in 2024 and 2025. Hopefully Elam takes a step now that he's healthy and pushes both guys, and becomes valuable depth at both spots and the first off the bench.

Tre White...I just don't know what to do with him. I think there are emotional and locker room and leadership aspects that make this one a bit cloudy. Literally no outcome with Tre White -- cut, extension, leaving his contract as-is -- would surprise me at this point. 

The only thing I feel really confident about going into 2024 is that Benford and Douglas will be the top two corners. Everything else is a little hazy at the moment and depends on health, money, and the progression (or lack thereof) of Kaiir Elam.

Today I saw spotract had Douglas value at 2 years $28 million extension. I predicted 2 years $25 million.

 

If you were placing a bet, yes bet on Benford and Douglas as the starting CB’s. 
 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Today I saw spotract had Douglas value at 2 years $28 million extension. I predicted 2 years $25 million.

 

If you were placing a bet, yes bet on Benford and Douglas as the starting CB’s. 
 

 

 

Make it 3 for 39, add a couple void years and convert his base to a bonus 

[hondo in seattle]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Find Benford and then find Wallace. Levi Wallace? What are you even watching? Are you basing that on anything or just blindly saying something?

 

 

 

 

If these data are reliable... interesting.

 

Benford and Taron Johnson are among the best CBs.  Not targeted a lot and not giving up a lot of separation.

 

Our old friend, Levi Wallace, is worse than average in both categories.

 

Jalen Ramsey: not targeted a lot but worse than average in separation.  

 

Jets have two stud corners.  

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Today I saw spotract had Douglas value at 2 years $28 million extension. I predicted 2 years $25 million.

 

If you were placing a bet, yes bet on Benford and Douglas as the starting CB’s. 
 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Make it 3 for 39, add a couple void years and convert his base to a bonus 

And crucially, the Bills don't have to do anything at all with Douglas's contract in the immediate future if they don't want.

Even if they DO like Benford/Elam as the long term duo, they can just let Douglas play out his deal in 2024 at a reasonable cost and then go young in 2025.

In this case, they'd have effectively gotten a season and a half of high quality cornerback play for a draft pick swap (5th for 3rd). I don't expect them to go this route. As I stated, I think they'll extend him. But even if they don't, I view it as a good trade.

[julian]

59 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Find Benford and then find Wallace. Levi Wallace? What are you even watching? Are you basing that on anything or just blindly saying something?

 

 

 

Holy sh*t, look at that stat, Benford is on par with Sauce, Humphrey, Fuller, Porter JR, Kenny Moore, Stingley JR and Taron Johnson, that’s insane.

 

 I stand corrected, Benford is amongst the best, sometimes when watching games these separation created stats just go unnoticed by my untrained eye. Looks like we’re gonna have to fork over top 5 CB money after this season, good bye Tre, hello Benford.

 

 I was comparing him to Wallace while Wallace was in Buffalo, when he was a nice story but always competing for his job.