The coaching mismatch

[WIDE LEFT]

While the national media worships at the feet of Patrick Mahomes, a closer examination and a more nuanced analysis reveals Allen to be the better QB. Allen “can’t beat” Mahomes (in the playoffs) simply because it’s a complete coaching mismatch on both sides of the ball. Just watch the playoff loss to KC. Allen is forced to throw darts into the smallest of targets while Mahomes is consistently throwing to wide open targets, ie the TD pass to Kelce, among others. This is not surprising, Reid is a hall of fame offensive genius while Brady is still getting his feet wet. But Allen was the better QB that day, and almost every time he has played KC

 

Whats disappointing is the coaching mis match on the defensive side of the ball. Anybody think Spagnola would have lost that lead with 13 seconds to go. He is constantly making in game adjustments while McD is like a deer in the headlights. Chris Jones ruined what would have been a go ahead TD via his pressure/hit on Allen. Jones had been moved from his DT position to DE on that play. Nice adjustments. In the meantime KC all pro guard Tuney just ate up Ed Oliver all day, but no movement or adjustment. Oliver had zero impact all day. And BTW, you don’t have to be a Reid level offensive genius to recognize & exploit the fact that AJ Klein CANNOT cover Kielce.

[HardyBoy]

I'd argue this year with throwing into tight windows was a top 3 defense at the top of its game vs AJ Klein, a severely hampered Douglass and a bunch of other injuries.

 

What AJ Klein level mismatch did the Chiefs have on their defense that the Bills could have exploited to get those wide open windows?

Edited February 22 by HardyBoy

[BringBackFergy]

3 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

I'd argue this year with throwing into tight windows was a top 3 defense at the top of its game vs AJ Klein, a severely hampered Douglass and a bunch of other injuries.

 

What AJ Klein level mismatch did the Chiefs have on their defense that the Bills could have exploited to get those wide open windows?

I agree with you x100. No Milano, White, Bernard, Douglas…But…McDermott hate and all that. Get with the program. 

[nedboy7]

This is original 

[Avisan]

Bills players were put in a position to win or tie at the end of regulation.  They simply did not make the necessary plays.  Coaches did their job.

[Gregg]

McDermott will be back in 2024 like it or not. However, I do think Terry will make a coaching change and maybe even clean house with the Buffalo team that plays on the ice. As far as Beane and McDermott go they are safe.

[boyst]

48 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

I'd argue this year with throwing into tight windows was a top 3 defense at the top of its game vs AJ Klein, a severely hampered Douglass and a bunch of other injuries.

 

What AJ Klein level mismatch did the Chiefs have on their defense that the Bills could have exploited to get those wide open windows?

Ok. I get that. there was a mismatch.

 

But, why did it take until nearly the end of the game for McChump to adapt? It was clear as day that something different should be done and I was harping on it during the game. Get Neal out there in a double Nickel package to cover Kelce. Neal has done it before, and Johnson or Neal would b capable. Especially as we were able to successfully put Poyer in the box.

 

Let them run on us. That wasn't going to get it done. They weren't winning that game without the pass. Every game we beat them we shut down Kelce.

 

There is no excuse why McDermott did not make this change earlier in the game. NONE.

[Mr. WEO]

35 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

This is original 

 

it's freshness cannot even be quantified...

[boyst]

45 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I agree with you x100. No Milano, White, Bernard, Douglas…But…McDermott hate and all that. Get with the program. 

The flats were wide open most of the game. Once the LB went out, Gay was it? They Chiefs left the short flats for Knox or Shakir to exploit. We kept running deep and outside the hashes. That's where KC feasts.

 

The final play where Diggs was open is a good example of exploiting that short route seam left wideopen and that was up the middle.

 

The Chiefs defense successfully kept Allens eyes off the flat and looking outside or deep. This was a problem Josh had during the game. He could not find the middle. The coordination to put him in position to hit these is a problem, however the Chiefs did not let him see those lanes by clogging up the middle to eliminate vision and escape routes to run for yardage.

 

Overall, I was not happy with our offensive playcalling, either.

[LABILLBACKER]

Like I've said 100x, if Josh had Reid & Spags he'd have 2 rings by now. McDermott is the definition of playoff mediocrity. 

[beebe]

1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said:

While the national media worships at the feet of Patrick Mahomes, a closer examination and a more nuanced analysis reveals Allen to be the better QB. Allen “can’t beat” Mahomes (in the playoffs) simply because it’s a complete coaching mismatch on both sides of the ball. Just watch the playoff loss to KC. Allen is forced to throw darts into the smallest of targets while Mahomes is consistently throwing to wide open targets, ie the TD pass to Kelce, among others. This is not surprising, Reid is a hall of fame offensive genius while Brady is still getting his feet wet. But Allen was the better QB that day, and almost every time he has played KC

 

Whats disappointing is the coaching mis match on the defensive side of the ball. Anybody think Spagnola would have lost that lead with 13 seconds to go. He is constantly making in game adjustments while McD is like a deer in the headlights. Chris Jones ruined what would have been a go ahead TD via his pressure/hit on Allen. Jones had been moved from his DT position to DE on that play. Nice adjustments. In the meantime KC all pro guard Tuney just ate up Ed Oliver all day, but no movement or adjustment. Oliver had zero impact all day. And BTW, you don’t have to be a Reid level offensive genius to recognize & exploit the fact that AJ Klein CANNOT cover Kielce.

 

1) Allen threw 28 of his 39 passes within five yards of the line of scrimmage and completed zero passes of more than 15 yards (only attempted four of them) working against a KC secondary without two of their top 3 safeties (a 4th round rookie played every snap but one) and a LB corps without their best coverage linebacker (Willie Gay). Buffalo's offense went 4.7 yards per play, the lowest output other than the season opener vs the Jets (4.6 ypp), and Allen - not McDermott - was on the field late with a chance to win the game and couldn't do it. Allen very nearly fumbled the game away on a 3rd-and-10 on the final drive. 

 

2) Kelce caught only two passes the entire game vs Klein, one in the first quarter and another early in the second quarter. The first TD pass he caught was the result of busted coverage by Johnson, Hyde and Poyer (Klein was on the other side of the field). Kelce caught just five passes all game, tied for his all-time playoff low in the Mahomes era, and caught just one pass (vs Poyer) in the final 26 minutes of the game. 

 

3) Chris Jones moves to the outside regularly on passing downs. The Bills weren't caught off guard here and it certainly wasn't a coaching error. Jones just made a great play, as he has done late in games throughout his career (including the AFC title game vs Bengals last year; and the Super Bowl this year.) 

 

4) Thuney exited in the third quarter and a former 7th-round draft pick took over at LG. At what point do you hold the players accountable? Or at what point do you give credit to the elusive Mahomes, who is elite at avoiding sacks. (Josh Allen is his equal in this regard, and took zero sacks in this game also.) 

 

5) Buffalo's offense didn't score in the final 18 minutes, 23 seconds, after taking a 24-20 lead late in the third quarter. They ran 23 plays for 59 yards on their final three drives, a whopping 2.56 yards per play. Two of the three drives were 3-and-outs. The third drive required converting a 4th-and-3 and recovering an Allen fumble just to get them within range of a missed Bass field goal. 

 

6) Buffalo's defense struggled all day but did make two critical stops late in the game - forcing the Hardman fumble after KC took over a short field, and forcing a punt on the next drive after overcoming a drive-extending penalty - and the offense couldn't put points up on the board as they attempted to dink-and-dunk their way down the field. 

 

7) Spags is a great defensive coordinator, but the idea that he pitches playoff shutouts on the regular is a myth. In 12 playoff games prior to this year, KC's defense allowed 31, 24, 24, 31, 36, 27, 35 in seven of their games. This year's playoff performance was the outlier. KC has had playoff success in the Mahomes era because the Chiefs routinely score 30+ points and average 29.5 points as an offense. This was the first year the defense outplayed the offense in Mahomes' six years as starter. 

Edited February 22 by beebe

[T master]

1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said:

While the national media worships at the feet of Patrick Mahomes, a closer examination and a more nuanced analysis reveals Allen to be the better QB. Allen “can’t beat” Mahomes (in the playoffs) simply because it’s a complete coaching mismatch on both sides of the ball. Just watch the playoff loss to KC. Allen is forced to throw darts into the smallest of targets while Mahomes is consistently throwing to wide open targets, ie the TD pass to Kelce, among others. This is not surprising, Reid is a hall of fame offensive genius while Brady is still getting his feet wet. But Allen was the better QB that day, and almost every time he has played KC

 

Whats disappointing is the coaching mis match on the defensive side of the ball. Anybody think Spagnola would have lost that lead with 13 seconds to go. He is constantly making in game adjustments while McD is like a deer in the headlights. Chris Jones ruined what would have been a go ahead TD via his pressure/hit on Allen. Jones had been moved from his DT position to DE on that play. Nice adjustments. In the meantime KC all pro guard Tuney just ate up Ed Oliver all day, but no movement or adjustment. Oliver had zero impact all day. And BTW, you don’t have to be a Reid level offensive genius to recognize & exploit the fact that AJ Klein CANNOT cover Kielce.

 

You know that was 2 years ago and that defensive coach Frazier that was calling the plays is gone ! You think maybe that could have been a huge reason why ? I'm thinking so !! McD saw what & why the Bills come up short on the D & made a move that's what good coaches do .

 

I wish y'all would let this "IT'S ALL MCD'S FAULT" thing go for crying out loud !! The only freakin thing in your post that you got right is that McD and EVERY OTHER COACH in the NFL apparently can't beat Andy Reid & Mahomes exactly like they couldn't beat BB & Brady !!

 

End of story !! Same as it was in the NBA when Jordan was on the Bulls it's a perfect match of coaching & a once in a lifetime talent that seems to pull what ever he needs out of his bag of tricks .

 

It wouldn't surprise me if with all of the antics that Mahomes does like his shuffle passes & behind the back and no look type plays if he was to pull a Jordan and close his eyes on a play because that is the kind of player he is the Jordan of the NFL !! 

 

It in no way could be that the players drop passes that hit them right in their hands, or fumble the ball, or miss kicks, or or miss tackles or injuries to pro bowl type players, or just flat out get beat, NAH it's none of that it's just that DAM McD !!

 

AJ Klien did all he could seeing that All most their entire LBing corp was injured REALLY ??? 🙄 When your down to the 4th & 5th players that are the only ones left it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight .

 

With this analogy then every HC that lost to Mahomes in th last 5 years needs to be fired right ??

 

 

Edited February 22 by T master

[phypon]

35 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

1) Allen threw 28 of his 39 passes within five yards of the line of scrimmage and completed zero passes of more than 15 yards (only attempted four of them) working against a KC secondary without two of their top 3 safeties (a 4th round rookie played every snap but one) and a LB corps without their best coverage linebacker (Willie Gay). Buffalo's offense went 4.7 yards per play, the lowest output other than the season opener vs the Jets (4.6 ypp), and Allen - not McDermott - was on the field late with a chance to win the game and couldn't do it. Allen very nearly fumbled the game away on a 3rd-and-10 on the final drive. 

 

2) Kelce caught only two passes the entire game vs Klein, one in the first quarter and another early in the second quarter. The first TD pass he caught was the result of busted coverage by Johnson, Hyde and Poyer (Klein was on the other side of the field). Kelce caught just five passes all game, tied for his all-time playoff low in the Mahomes era, and caught just one pass (vs Poyer) in the final 26 minutes of the game. 

 

3) Chris Jones moves to the outside regularly on passing downs. The Bills weren't caught off guard here and it certainly wasn't a coaching error. Jones just made a great play, as he has done late in games throughout his career (including the AFC title game vs Bengals last year; and the Super Bowl this year.) 

 

4) Thuney exited in the third quarter and a former 7th-round draft pick took over at LG. At what point do you hold the players accountable? Or at what point do you give credit to the elusive Mahomes, who is elite at avoiding sacks. (Josh Allen is his equal in this regard, and took zero sacks in this game also.) 

 

5) Buffalo's offense didn't score in the final 18 minutes, 23 seconds, after taking a 24-20 lead late in the third quarter. They ran 23 plays for 59 yards on their final three drives, a whopping 2.56 yards per play. Two of the three drives were 3-and-outs. The third drive required converting a 4th-and-3 and recovering an Allen fumble just to get them within range of a missed Bass field goal. 

 

6) Buffalo's defense struggled all day but did make two critical stops late in the game - forcing the Hardman fumble after KC took over a short field, and forcing a punt on the next drive after overcoming a drive-extending penalty - and the offense couldn't put points up on the board as they attempted to dink-and-dunk their way down the field. 

 

7) Spags is a great defensive coordinator, but the idea that he pitches playoff shutouts on the regular is a myth. In 12 playoff games prior to this year, KC's defense allowed 31, 24, 24, 31, 36, 27, 35 in seven of their games. This year's playoff performance was the outlier. KC has had playoff success in the Mahomes era because the Chiefs routinely score 30+ points and average 29.5 points as an offense. This was the first year the defense outplayed the offense in Mahomes' six years as starter. 

And you just proved the OP's point.  Congratulations! 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

While the national media worships at the feet of Patrick Mahomes, a closer examination and a more nuanced analysis reveals Allen to be the better QB. Allen “can’t beat” Mahomes (in the playoffs) simply because it’s a complete coaching mismatch on both sides of the ball. Just watch the playoff loss to KC. Allen is forced to throw darts into the smallest of targets while Mahomes is consistently throwing to wide open targets, ie the TD pass to Kelce, among others. This is not surprising, Reid is a hall of fame offensive genius while Brady is still getting his feet wet. But Allen was the better QB that day, and almost every time he has played KC

 

Whats disappointing is the coaching mis match on the defensive side of the ball. Anybody think Spagnola would have lost that lead with 13 seconds to go. He is constantly making in game adjustments while McD is like a deer in the headlights. Chris Jones ruined what would have been a go ahead TD via his pressure/hit on Allen. Jones had been moved from his DT position to DE on that play. Nice adjustments. In the meantime KC all pro guard Tuney just ate up Ed Oliver all day, but no movement or adjustment. Oliver had zero impact all day. And BTW, you don’t have to be a Reid level offensive genius to recognize & exploit the fact that AJ Klein CANNOT cover Kielce.

Seron Neal has been on this team for 6yrs why can't he start at LB instead of AJ DeKlein ? Why couldn't Dodson wear the green dot helmet he did it be before in games? I agree we didn't adjust and on top of that we will could've won the game but didn't finish either

[Augie]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

This is original 

 

Yep. We used new words in a special order for the title. The theme remains the same. 

[WIDE LEFT]

34 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

1) Allen threw 28 of his 39 passes within five yards of the line of scrimmage and completed zero passes of more than 15 yards (only attempted four of them) working against a KC secondary without two of their top 3 safeties (a 4th round rookie played every snap but one) and a LB corps without their best coverage linebacker (Willie Gay). Buffalo's offense went 4.7 yards per play, the lowest output other than the season opener vs the Jets (4.6 ypp), and Allen - not McDermott - was on the field late with a chance to win the game and couldn't do it. Allen very nearly fumbled the game away on a 3rd-and-10 on the final drive. 

 

2) Kelce caught only two passes the entire game vs Klein, one in the first quarter and another early in the second quarter. The first TD pass he caught was the result of busted coverage by Johnson, Hyde and Poyer (Klein was on the other side of the field). Kelce caught just five passes all game, tied for his all-time playoff low in the Mahomes era, and caught just one pass (vs Poyer) in the final 26 minutes of the game. 

 

3) Chris Jones moves to the outside regularly on passing downs. The Bills weren't caught off guard here and it certainly wasn't a coaching error. Jones just made a great play, as he has done late in games throughout his career (including the AFC title game vs Bengals last year; and the Super Bowl this year.) 

 

4) Thuney exited in the third quarter and a former 7th-round draft pick took over at LG. At what point do you hold the players accountable? Or at what point do you give credit to the elusive Mahomes, who is elite at avoiding sacks. (Josh Allen is his equal in this regard, and took zero sacks in this game also.) 

 

5) Buffalo's offense didn't score in the final 18 minutes, 23 seconds, after taking a 24-20 lead late in the third quarter. They ran 23 plays for 59 yards on their final three drives, a whopping 2.56 yards per play. Two of the three drives were 3-and-outs. The third drive required converting a 4th-and-3 and recovering an Allen fumble just to get them within range of a missed Bass field goal. 

 

6) Buffalo's defense struggled all day but did make two critical stops late in the game - forcing the Hardman fumble after KC took over a short field, and forcing a punt on the next drive after overcoming a drive-extending penalty - and the offense couldn't put points up on the board as they attempted to dink-and-dunk their way down the field. 

 

7) Spags is a great defensive coordinator, but the idea that he pitches playoff shutouts on the regular is a myth. In 12 playoff games prior to this year, KC's defense allowed 31, 24, 24, 31, 36, 27, 35 in seven of their games. This year's playoff performance was the outlier. KC has had playoff success in the Mahomes era because the Chiefs routinely score 30+ points and average 29.5 points as an offense. This was the first year the defense outplayed the offense in Mahomes' six years as starter. 

You failed to mention that when the KC defense came out of its shell Allen threw 3 bombs that were dropped. You dink and dunk until the D abandons its shell then you hit them deep. Of course, you actually have to catch the ball. To throw out stats like Allen only averaging small amount of yards per completion, without even a mention of the dropped long passes is classic.

[Freddie's Dead]

McDummy must go.  That is all.

[TheFunPolice]

Reid is the uncrowned GOAT.

 

Nuggies and BBQ are the only things that could stop him from holding every single HC wins/titles record by the time he retires. 

 

He's currently 5 playoff wins away from tying Belichick for most playoff wins all-time as a HC. That's 2 playoff runs. 

 

That said, McDermott has definitely shown the desire and ability to adapt and become WAY less conservative. The guy called a fake punt inside his own 30 yard line in a divisional playoff game. 

 

NOW we need McDermott to get behind loading up the offense with weapons. 

 

 

Edited February 22 by TheFunPolice

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

While the national media worships at the feet of Patrick Mahomes, a closer examination and a more nuanced analysis reveals Allen to be the better QB. Allen “can’t beat” Mahomes (in the playoffs) simply because it’s a complete coaching mismatch on both sides of the ball. Just watch the playoff loss to KC. Allen is forced to throw darts into the smallest of targets while Mahomes is consistently throwing to wide open targets, ie the TD pass to Kelce, among others. This is not surprising, Reid is a hall of fame offensive genius while Brady is still getting his feet wet. But Allen was the better QB that day, and almost every time he has played KC

 

Whats disappointing is the coaching mis match on the defensive side of the ball. Anybody think Spagnola would have lost that lead with 13 seconds to go. He is constantly making in game adjustments while McD is like a deer in the headlights. Chris Jones ruined what would have been a go ahead TD via his pressure/hit on Allen. Jones had been moved from his DT position to DE on that play. Nice adjustments. In the meantime KC all pro guard Tuney just ate up Ed Oliver all day, but no movement or adjustment. Oliver had zero impact all day. And BTW, you don’t have to be a Reid level offensive genius to recognize & exploit the fact that AJ Klein CANNOT cover Kielce.

 

With the amount of injuries our defense suffered, this is a completely unfair comment. Without any play by Willie Gay, Nick Bolton, Trent McDuffie and L'Jarius Sneed DO THE CHIEFS WIN THE SUPER BOWL??? NOPE.

 

The Chiefs have to be the luckiest team we've ever seen over the last 4 years when it comes to injuries.

Edited February 22 by EasternOHBillsFan

[90sBills]

Wow another Allen is better but can’t win because someone something else etc etc thread. It’s still Feb. Might be a record for these kind of threads this offseason.