Cover 1's Top Free Agent Fits for the Bills

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Maybe I misunderstood you.  I read your post as if you were mocking people for picking other players to patch holes during FA rather than sign a big time WR.

 

And my counter to that was to that is because this is a WR rich draft and we are much more likely to pursue that big WR upgrade in the draft than FA.

 

Although since then, the cap came out even higher than expected, so maybe it makes Beane more interested in a pricier WR FA.  But still think it’s most likely gonna come from the draft.

We need cheap 4-5 year drafted wr prospects that can be developed into WR1/WR2. Shakir already looks promising.  Stop chasing established vet FA WRs.  Mooney is the only one I'm remotely interested in if under 9M/ yr. Draft 2 this April and more next year. Wait for Miller, Diggs & Knox to come off the books.

[TheWeatherMan]

5 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Does your answer really help Bills No get Annihilated or just save money because they are going to get annihilated anyways lol

No entiendo mi amigo. 

[GASabresIUFan]

19 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

don't understand how you can't grasp this. We WILL be doing that.

 

We have to replace half of our WR core. We'll be Drafting 2 WR's, using our 1st Round Pick to fill our hole at WR2.

 

But to say Draft all 3 of them would be to have 4/6 of our WR Core next year having a combined ZERO reps of Regular Season NFL action. That's entirely too risky.

 

You might be fine with that, but there's no chance Brandon Beane (or any NFL GM) would be cool with having 4/6 of his WR core being complete unknowns at the next level. Having even half of the core with no experience represents the absolute top end of what a GM would do. And Cover 1, @BADOLBILZ, and myself are already calling for that.

 

To your point of Draft and Develop, with the 2 Draft Picks along with Shakir and Shorter - that would represent 4 of our 6 WR's being players that we Drafted and will be developing or have developed already.

 

But we need someone with experience and known production to provide insurance to the unknowns and also provide more productivity in the reserve role than Sherfield or Harty provided. As well as provide someone who can be trusted in the event of injury.

 

Noah Brown or Josh Reynolds aren't "bargain bin". They're a step above that. Neither will come as cheap as Sherfield was and they're better players. Not so much that it's going to hamper us, but not so little that they can be considered "bargain bin".

 

This idea that unless it's a super expensive WR1 or a Draft Pick, it's a waste of resources and is destined to provide nothing is incredibly simple minded. Just bc Sherfield or Harty didn't work out doesn't immediately equate to a Brown or Reynolds being the same. Especially since they're better players.

I don't understand how you and others think there is $6 million floating around to pay a Reynolds or Brown to be our 4th receiver.  They aren't going anywhere to be a 4 and it's a waste for Buffalo with so many other needs and limited cap space.  Diggs and Shakir are the 1 & 3.  We will be using a high pick at WR.  That player is the 2 replacing Davis.  The Bills only carry 5 WRs, thus after those 3 you are not investing $6 million or more in a 4th string wideout.  The Bills already have Shorter in development, plus Isabella and Hamler as futures/reserve contracts.   Is it possible that Beane finds a veteran for a $2 Million prove-it contract to come in and compete with Shorter, Hamler, and a later draft pick for a job?  Sure it's possible, but don't expect that player that player to be on Reynolds' level.  Spotrac projects Reynolds contract at $7 million and Brown at 5.6.    I will give you one name that could come cheap, has talent, is young, and produced decently before last season and that is Chase Claypool.  

 

GMs, even good ones, go with inexperienced WR groups.  GB's top 4 WRs and top 2 TEs last year were all 1st and 2nd-year players and they out-performed the Bills' group.  

Edited February 25 by GASabresIUFan

[BillsFanForever19]

On 2/24/2024 at 11:04 PM, GASabresIUFan said:

I don't understand how you and others think there is $6 million floating around to pay a Reynolds or Brown to be our 4th receiver.  He isn't going anywhere to be a 4 and it's a waste for Buffalo with so many other needs and limited cap space.  Diggs and Shakir are the 1 & 3.  We will be using a high pick at WR.  That player is the 2 replacing Davis.  The Bills only carry 5 WRs, thus after those 3 you are not investing $6 million or more in a 4th string wideout.  The Bills already have Shorter in development, plus Isabella and Hamler as futures/reserve contracts.   Is it possible that Beane finds a veteran for a $2 Million prove-it contract to come in and compete with Shorter, Hamler, and a later draft pick for a job?  Sure it's possible, but don't expect that player that player to be on Reynolds' level.  Spotrac projects Reynolds contract at $7 million and Brown at 5.6.    I will give you one name that could come cheap, has talent, is young, and produced decently before last season and that is Chase Claypool.  

 

GMs, even good ones, go with inexperienced WR groups.  GB's top 4 WRs and top 2 TEs last year were all 1st and 2nd-year players and they out-performed the Bills' group.  

 

The Bills only carried 5 WR's last season. And that lack of depth was a mistake that bit us. Especially at Outside WR. 5 WR's was an anomaly. Done to keep extra Defensive Lineman we had under contract (something we will not have this season). Under McDermott here is the number we've gone into Week 1 with for each season:

 

2023 - 5
2022 - 7
2021 - 7
2020 - 6
2019 - 6
2018 - 7
2017 - 6

 

I absolutely do not see us carrying anything less than 6 this season. Shorter will be on the 53 and I already have him factored in.

 

Isabella and Hamler are Practice Squad guys. Hamler is on his 3rd team in less than a year. Like Isabella before him, there's a bust stink on him at this point that a good Pre-Season will not change when it comes to teams signing players from other teams to their 53. Futures/Reserve signings are on the level of UDFA's. Guys you bring into Camp and maybe they earn a spot on the Practice Squad. But former 2nd Round Picks or not - they are nothing that Beane is counting on when filling out the Roster.

 

Noah Brown was the 4th WR on the Texans last season, behind Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Robert Woods. So while I can see some logic in someone signing Reynolds to be an unquestioned WR2 - I don't understand thinking Brown isn't a possibility. And as for Reynolds, everyone sort of agrees his figure on Spotrac is a little high. And it's less than insane to think he may be interested in playing in Buffalo as no less than Outside WR3, maybe even getting a share of WR2 reps, as the Rookie is not guaranteed to immediately hit the ground running.

 

You quote Green Bay to make your argument, but there's one major difference there - Green Bay was in Year 1 of Jordan Love and in the middle of a rebuild. They overachieved and reached the Playoffs yes, but there's a big difference between what a team competing for a Championship will risk and what a rebuilding team will risk. It worked out for Green Bay, but there's no saying 4 Rookies (with Shorter a redshirt Rookie) will work the same for us.

 

As for the money, again, with the jump in Salary Cap - add 11m extra to whatever the moves we would have done to get to under would get us. That's enough for Brown and another player.

 

You can say we should draft 3 Rookies and call it a day. But there's no way Beane doesn't bring in at least 1 veteran though. We'll Draft 2 within the first 5 Rounds for the 53, but there won't be 3.

Edited February 26 by BillsFanForever19

[SCBills]

Let Gabe & Sherfield walk / cut Harty

 

If we are to hand out one legitimate FA contract (outside Jones and/or Epenesa), it should be for a vet outside WR. 
 

Head into the draft with Diggs, Shakir, FA, Shorter.

 

Shakir is the slot and we’d be smart to plan on using Diggs more in the slot as well. Kincaid & Cook will also play some slot.  
 

Draft two outside WR’s.. One in RD1 or RD2 and one early Day 3. 
 

Edited February 25 by SCBills

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Let Gabe & Sherfield walk / cut Harty

 

If we are to hand out one legitimate FA contract (outside Jones and/or Epenesa), it should be for a vet outside WR. 
 

Head into the draft with Diggs, Shakir, FA, Shorter.

 

Shakir is the slot and we’d be smart to plan on using Diggs more in the slot as well. Kincaid & Cook will also play some slot.  
 

Draft two outside WR’s.. One in RD1 or RD2 and one early Day 3. 
 

Totally agree. Although, if someone wants to give us a 1 for Diggs, I'd strongly consider it.  Better to be a year too early than a year too late in moving on from him.  And, with the depth of the WR class, loading up with two early picks at that position could set us up for quite some time there (assuming, of course, that we hit on them). 

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Totally agree. Although, if someone wants to give us a 1 for Diggs, I'd strongly consider it.  Better to be a year too early than a year too late in moving on from him.  And, with the depth of the WR class, loading up with two early picks at that position could set us up for quite some time there (assuming, of course, that we hit on them). 

Oh, I’d move Diggs for a 1 in a second given the cap lifeline provided that could help us eat the accelerated dead cap. 
 

I just don’t think the Bills will do that. 
 

But if a team with a young QB who wants to give them a proven high level WR instead of gambling on a draft pick wants to call up Beane with an offer, I’d love to hear the inner FO discussions on that. 

[SectionC3]

19 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Oh, I’d move Diggs for a 1 in a second given the cap lifeline provided that could help us eat the accelerated dead cap. 
 

I just don’t think the Bills will do that. 
 

But if a team with a young QB who wants to give them a proven high level WR instead of gambling on a draft pick wants to call up Beane with an offer, I’d love to hear the inner FO discussions on that. 

My guess, and this is just a hunch, is that they would be very quick conversations, maybe involve a check with Josh and a promise to him to take two WRs in the first three picks, and conclude with a heartfelt thank you to Mr. Diggs for his time here.  

[pennstate10]

Given our cap situation, I don’t see signing any new top tier FA. 
 

If the money is right, my initial priorities would be 

1. DQ Jones

2. AJ Epenesa

3. Taylor Rapp or Gilman at S

 

Thats it. I’d pick up 1-2 WR in rinds 1-3, and then another WR in the second round of FA post draft and June 1

[harmonkillebrew]

12 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I don't understand how you and others think there is $6 million floating around to pay a Reynolds or Brown to be our 4th receiver.  He isn't going anywhere to be a 4 and it's a waste for Buffalo with so many other needs and limited cap space.  Diggs and Shakir are the 1 & 3.  We will be using a high pick at WR.  That player is the 2 replacing Davis.  The Bills only carry 5 WRs, thus after those 3 you are not investing $6 million or more in a 4th string wideout.  The Bills already have Shorter in development, plus Isabella and Hamler as futures/reserve contracts.   Is it possible that Beane finds a veteran for a $2 Million prove-it contract to come in and compete with Shorter, Hamler, and a later draft pick for a job?  Sure it's possible, but don't expect that player that player to be on Reynolds' level.  Spotrac projects Reynolds contract at $7 million and Brown at 5.6.    I will give you one name that could come cheap, has talent, is young, and produced decently before last season and that is Chase Claypool.  

 

GMs, even good ones, go with inexperienced WR groups.  GB's top 4 WRs and top 2 TEs last year were all 1st and 2nd-year players and they out-performed the Bills' group.  

We need a vet WR addition, to go along with the rookie 1st rounder.  Someone that can help with production as the rookie inevitably gets caught up.

 

I mean I'd love a guy like Ridley, in addition to a rookie, but more likely we get a guy like Noah Brown, Chark or Bourne. 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Oh, I’d move Diggs for a 1 in a second given the cap lifeline provided that could help us eat the accelerated dead cap. 
 

I just don’t think the Bills will do that. 
 

But if a team with a young QB who wants to give them a proven high level WR instead of gambling on a draft pick wants to call up Beane with an offer, I’d love to hear the inner FO discussions on that. 

it’s a real possibility, but I think we’d have to include a mid round pick next year and a late rounder this year. Some combination like that along with Diggs in order to get a 1st

 

Houston and Dallas are both teams that I can see doing this.  Jones already said he’s “going all in” and Texans may want a veteran for Stroud (+rumors about this already)

 

23rd or 24th overall for Diggs + 3rd in 25 + 6th this year seems like a fair trade IMO

 

While not likely, if this were to happen….

 

we could walk out of Round 1 with 2 of Brian Thomas Jr / Troy Franklin / Legette

 

In addition to that….maybe you get super lucky and the Colts let Pittman hit UFA. In his prime, put up quality production with bottom tier QB play. Already has a friendship with Allen.  A 5 year 100 mil deal + void years can make the cap hit for the next few years fairly low. Pittman seems to catch everything. We badly need more of that

 

Pittman Jr.

Brian Thomas Jr

Troy Franklin

Shakir

 

now if Diggs stays, I’d still TRY to acquire  a quality WR on the market or via trade & I would still draft WR in Round 1 + another in Round 2-4

Edited February 25 by Warriorspikes51

[GASabresIUFan]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

You quote Green Bay to make your argument, but there's one major difference there - Green Bay was in Year 1 of Jordan Love and in the middle of a rebuild. They overachieved and reached the Playoffs yes, but there's a big difference between what a team competing for a Championship will risk and what a rebuilding team will risk. It worked out for Green Bay, but there's no saying 4 Rookies (with Shorter a redshirt Rookie) will work the same for us.

Saying the GM built the young group because they had a 1st year QB doesn't make any sense. You would think a GM would want some vets in his WR/TE groups to help a 1st year QB.  GB had lousy WR/TE groups and they needed to be rebuilt for whomever.  Unlike Beane, their GM invested significant draft assets in the position.  Over the last two years used 8 draft picks to build a good receiving and TE group, including a 1st (Musgrove), 2 2nds (Reed and Watson), a 3rd (Kraft), a 4th (Doubs), a 5th (Wicks) and 2 7ths (Toure and Dubose).  They also used a 3rd on Amari Rodgers in 2021.  Most of these picks were drafted before Love was the starter.  

 

Also saying Championship caliber teams don't start rookies or young players is BS.  Our starters last season included Torrence (Rookie), Kincaid (Rookie), Shakir (2nd year), Benford (2nd year), Benard (2nd year), and Cook (2nd year).  All the 2nd year players received significant PT as rookies.  The only way you stay competitive once you reach the top in a cap league is to draft well and have your kids play well.  You have to keep turning over your roster to get younger and cheaper.  This is where the Bills are.  

 

 

[WotAGuy]

As soon as I read the title I thought “Oh, there will definitely be “fits” over free agency this year”.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Jeremy Chinn is interesting for me. He is a super athlete and not a bad safety at all, coming off an injury plagued 8-game season. He definitely hasn’t had the career to warrant big money, he could blow up with McD. 

[GASabresIUFan]

35 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

We need a vet WR addition, to go along with the rookie 1st rounder.  Someone that can help with production as the rookie inevitably gets caught up.

No, we don't.  We have vets at WR.  Their names are Diggs and Shakir.  When was Kincaid "caught up" last season as a rookie starter at TE?  When was Torrence "caught up" as a rookie starter in the Oline?  Both are much harder spots for a rookie to succeed than as a deep-threat boundary WR.  Last season alone the NFL had 8 rookie WRs and 2 rookie TEs haul in 600 or more receiving yards.  Do you expect a veteran WR we can afford to do better than that?    People keep mentioning guys like Noah Brown (567 yards last season), Bourne (406 yards),  Mooney (414 yards) and Reynolds (608 yards).  Do you think any of those guys want to come here to be the 4? Is Beane going to pay 5-7 million to one of those guys as rookie failure insurance?  I doubt it when he has other areas to spend his limited cap dollars on like D Line and safety.  This is one of the those times where we are going to have to go young and see what happens.

 

The Bills are still $41.3 million over the new cap.  Even if they shave 70 million off the current cap figure, that doesn't leave much money to sign the draft picks (approx 10 million), rebuild the D Line, and get a starting safety, and a good backup QB, while also filling out the depth at RB, CB, O Line etc... 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Jeremy Chinn is interesting for me. He is a super athlete and not a bad safety at all, coming off an injury plagued 8-game season. He definitely hasn’t had the career to warrant big money, he could blow up with McD. 

I’m good with this. If we do sign him, I’ll pretend he never played for Carolina haha

 

Chinn and Curtis Samuel make a lot of sense for us

Just now, GASabresIUFan said:

No, we don't.  We have vets at WR.  Their names are Diggs and Shakir.  When was Kincaid "caught up" last season as a rookie starter at TE?  When was Torrence "caught up" as a rookie starter in the Oline?  Both are much harder spots for a rookie to succeed than as a deep-threat boundary WR.  Last season alone the NFL had 8 rookie WRs and 2 rookie TEs haul in 600 or more receiving yards.  Do you expect a veteran WR we can afford to do better than that?    People keep mentioning guys like Noah Brown (567 yards last season), Bourne (406 yards),  Mooney (414 yards) and Reynolds (608 yards).  Do you think any of those guys want to come here to be the 4? Is Beane going to pay 5-7 million to one of those guys as rookie failure insurance?  I doubt it when he has other areas to spend his limited cap dollars on like D Line and safety.  This is one of the those times where we are going to have to go young and see what happens.

 

The Bills are still $41.3 million over the new cap.  Even if they shave 70 million off the current cap figure, that doesn't leave much money to sign the draft picks (approx 10 million), rebuild the D Line, and get a starting safety, and a good backup QB, while also filling out the depth at RB, CB, O Line etc... 

sigh. When is the phreting over the cap going to end?   30 million in space which is absolutely doable for us is plenty of room to make moves.  
 

How much did we have last season?  We kept signing veteran players

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Jeremy Chinn is interesting for me. He is a super athlete and not a bad safety at all, coming off an injury plagued 8-game season. He definitely hasn’t had the career to warrant big money, he could blow up with McD. 

 

I think Chinn is a very reasonable risk. When healthy he is a very good player.  We need the help we can get at S.

[GASabresIUFan]

23 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

sigh. When is the phreting over the cap going to end?   30 million in space which is absolutely doable for us is plenty of room to make moves.

 

The Bills only have 30-35 players under contract that you can project to next year's roster.  That leaves about 20 jobs available for rookies and FAs.  The estimated cap cost for the draftees is about 10 million for the top 6-7 guys. So that leaves about 20 million for 13-14 players using your estimate of available cap space or about 1.6 to 1.7 per FA.  Last season we signed McGovern for 3 years 22.5.  We also gave Floyd 1 year at 7 million with some void years to lower his cap hit.  Those were the two biggest deals last year and I'd be surprised if this FA season isn't similar.  Most of the rest of the FAs last year were the parade of 2 million or less guys like Sherfield, Dodson, Lawson, Martin, Rapp, Joseph, and Edwards.

 

We need 4-5 players along the D Line, 2-3 safeties, at least 2 RBs, a backup QB, and more depth on the Oline.  30 million just doesn't go as far as it used to.

Edited February 25 by GASabresIUFan

[harmonkillebrew]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

No, we don't.  We have vets at WR.  Their names are Diggs and Shakir.  When was Kincaid "caught up" last season as a rookie starter at TE?  When was Torrence "caught up" as a rookie starter in the Oline?  Both are much harder spots for a rookie to succeed than as a deep-threat boundary WR.  Last season alone the NFL had 8 rookie WRs and 2 rookie TEs haul in 600 or more receiving yards.  Do you expect a veteran WR we can afford to do better than that?    People keep mentioning guys like Noah Brown (567 yards last season), Bourne (406 yards),  Mooney (414 yards) and Reynolds (608 yards).  Do you think any of those guys want to come here to be the 4? Is Beane going to pay 5-7 million to one of those guys as rookie failure insurance?  I doubt it when he has other areas to spend his limited cap dollars on like D Line and safety.  This is one of the those times where we are going to have to go young and see what happens.

 

The Bills are still $41.3 million over the new cap.  Even if they shave 70 million off the current cap figure, that doesn't leave much money to sign the draft picks (approx 10 million), rebuild the D Line, and get a starting safety, and a good backup QB, while also filling out the depth at RB, CB, O Line etc... 

 

We need the WR depth anyways, even if the rookie shines. Sheffield and Davis are FAs. Harty will probably be cut (we overpaid him anyways)

We can get a decent vet WR for $3-5m for a 1 year contract. Last year Brown was $2.6m. Chark was $5m. Agholor was $3.25. Crowder was $1.3. 

You can go multiple years and spread it out.

Cap won't be a problem for depth signings.

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Saying the GM built the young group because they had a 1st year QB doesn't make any sense. You would think a GM would want some vets in his WR/TE groups to help a 1st year QB.  GB had lousy WR/TE groups and they needed to be rebuilt for whomever.  Unlike Beane, their GM invested significant draft assets in the position.  Over the last two years used 8 draft picks to build a good receiving and TE group, including a 1st (Musgrove), 2 2nds (Reed and Watson), a 3rd (Kraft), a 4th (Doubs), a 5th (Wicks) and 2 7ths (Toure and Dubose).  They also used a 3rd on Amari Rodgers in 2021.  Most of these picks were drafted before Love was the starter.  

 

Also saying Championship caliber teams don't start rookies or young players is BS.  Our starters last season included Torrence (Rookie), Kincaid (Rookie), Shakir (2nd year), Benford (2nd year), Benard (2nd year), and Cook (2nd year).  All the 2nd year players received significant PT as rookies.  The only way you stay competitive once you reach the top in a cap league is to draft well and have your kids play well.  You have to keep turning over your roster to get younger and cheaper.  This is where the Bills are.  

 

Are you aware what a Year 1 rebuild or soft rebuild is? It doesn't mean you're building your team around your Rookie QB with the best humanly possibly in Year 1. It means you're rebuilding your cap, filling holes with cheaper, younger players, so that in the coming years you can have a new team and go out and get the things you need - working around the young cheap players that worked out in Year 1 to build a contender.

 

You ever looked at Josh Allen's WR's in Year 1? Here's what he was working with: Zay Jones, Robert Foster, Isaiah McKenzie, Da'Mari Scott, Ray Ray McCloud, and Deonte Thompson

 

And did I say we shouldn't start Rookies or that championship teams don't do that? No, I didn't. 

 

But there's a difference between starting some Rookies or young players and saying "we've got to fill half of our WR core this season and 1 of the guys we have is a redshirt Rookie already.... let's fill out ALL 3 of the rest of the holes there with exclusively Rookies!".

 

I've maintained from the beginning that we Draft our WR2 in Round 1 and that we take another in the mid Rounds.

 

But that all 4 of our WR's not named Stefon Diggs and Khalil Shakir should have zero Regular Season experience is not a realistic idea for a Championship contending team. We have to have at least 1 of those 3 guys being a known commodity. Bc Rookies are complete unknowns, especially in Year 1 when they're learning. They can hit and be great like Puka Nacua. Or they can bust like Quentin Johnston or Treylon Burks. We could double down and end up with the WR equivalent of what happened to us at DE.

 

Again, it's one thing to say we can't afford a big ticket FA (which is the truth) and that we should Draft a guy or two. It's another to say we can't afford ANYONE. Or that if you aren't getting the big ticket WR, you're wasting your time. Neither are true. We can afford a vet and whether you think we should or not - I assure you Beane is going to.

 

There is close to a zero chance that with the way Beane and McDermott look at Roster Building that they're going to replace Davis, Sherfield, and Harty ALL with Rookies. Be glad we'll do 2 of the 3 that way.

 

7 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Saying the GM built the young group because they had a 1st year QB doesn't make any sense. You would think a GM would want some vets in his WR/TE groups to help a 1st year QB.  GB had lousy WR/TE groups and they needed to be rebuilt for whomever.  Unlike Beane, their GM invested significant draft assets in the position.  Over the last two years used 8 draft picks to build a good receiving and TE group, including a 1st (Musgrove), 2 2nds (Reed and Watson), a 3rd (Kraft), a 4th (Doubs), a 5th (Wicks) and 2 7ths (Toure and Dubose).  They also used a 3rd on Amari Rodgers in 2021.  Most of these picks were drafted before Love was the starter.  

 

Also saying Championship caliber teams don't start rookies or young players is BS.  Our starters last season included Torrence (Rookie), Kincaid (Rookie), Shakir (2nd year), Benford (2nd year), Benard (2nd year), and Cook (2nd year).  All the 2nd year players received significant PT as rookies.  The only way you stay competitive once you reach the top in a cap league is to draft well and have your kids play well.  You have to keep turning over your roster to get younger and cheaper.  This is where the Bills are.  

 

It's humanly possible. But that doesn't make it a "real" possibility. It's an EXTREMELY unrealistic possibility. One that only you, other fans who despise him, and clickbait media outlets bang the table for. But it's simply not happening this season. 

 

And Pittman? That's an even bigger joke. He's not going anywhere. He'll either be extended or Franchised before he hits the market. In the surprising event that he does? He's getting an INSANE contract to be a team's #1. And you can try and manufacture that contract to work for us any way you want. It's still going to be too much for us this year and ESPECIALLY for years to come.

 

And if we were to magically find a way to figure Pittman in - say goodbye to the WR's you love so much in Round 1. There is zero scenario where we put forth the kind of money it would take for Pittman and be able to turn around and use a 1st Rounder at WR. We'd be essentially ignoring everything else on the team - when we have 5 holes at Starting DE, DT, and S along with the first DT off the bench, who basically gets a starters amount of reps.

 

We're gonna do some exciting stuff here at that position. But the reality is in between what you want and what the guy I quoted above you wants..... (Continued below)

 

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I’m good with this. If we do sign him, I’ll pretend he never played for Carolina haha

 

Chinn and Curtis Samuel make a lot of sense for us

sigh. When is the phreting over the cap going to end?   30 million in space which is absolutely doable for us is plenty of room to make moves.  
 

How much did we have last season?  We kept signing veteran players

 

This is true to an extent. 

 

Yes, the idea that we can't afford ANYONE and have to Draft every hole at WR (or elsewhere) isn't true. We can afford a veteran and we're going to get one.

 

But we cannot afford any of the many big ideas you have. Cover 1 doesn't even talk about the Curtis Samuel level WR's, let alone the Pittman's or Evans'. 

 

Like I said, the truth is somewhere between what the guy you're replying to is saying and what you're constantly posting about. We'll be able to dig out of 41m over the cap to sign some guys to fill the MANY holes we have. But because of having that many holes to fill and the fact that in any given Draft, there's less than 32 players you can count on to Start - we are going to have to be judicious in our approach. No massive spending on any one position. 

 

Yes, we did keep signing vets last season. But they were all of a certain price point. And as bad of a position as we were in last year, we're in even a worse position this year - cap wise and roster wise. So look at last season as the benchmark on the type of moves we'll make.

 

As Beane said in his Presser, there will be no big splashes this season. And that we'll be "shopping in a lot of the same stores we were last season". It will be guys who won't break the bank, most on 1 year deals, guys we can convince to come cheaper or will have to come cheaper bc of circumstance.

 

You're going to get your 1st Round WR for WR2. And you'll get another later in the Draft. And you'll get a vet. And that's going to be exciting enough. But your head is absolutely in the clouds though when you start talking about Trading Diggs, acquiring a guy like Pittman, and Drafting 2 WR's in the first 45-60 picks. 

Edited February 26 by BillsFanForever19