LeviF Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: Given that allegory was a common form of literature among old testament writers and that parables were extremely important in the new testament, what you say here is just plain ignorant. lol Leaving aside the types of literature found in the text, allegorical interpretations of a text do not preclude literal readings as well. Paul describes Abraham's baby mommas in an allegorical fashion in his letter to the Galatians; do you suppose that a first century jew did not believe that Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar were real people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: lol Leaving aside the types of literature found in the text, allegorical interpretations of a text do not preclude literal readings as well. Paul describes Abraham's baby mommas in an allegorical fashion in his letter to the Galatians; do you suppose that a first century jew did not believe that Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar were real people? How old was Noah when he died. Moses? Was the earth created in 6 days? Was the Ark story historical? Were Adam and Eve really the first humans and were living blissfully in the garden of eden? C'mon. Graduate from 1st grade religion class. Parables by definition are not literal. a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels. "the parable of the blind men and the elephant" synonym=fable Edited February 26 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: How old was Noah when he died. Moses? Was the earth created in 6 days? Was the Ark story historical? Were Adam and Eve really the first humans and were living blissfully in the garden of eden? C'mon. Graduate from 1st grade religion class. Parables by definition are not literal. If you can't speak in good faith what's the point of even replying? The vast majority of the Bible calls for a literal reading. Whether Genesis 1-11 does or does not has been debated by people smarter than us. Moses is an allegory? Again, what jew would have felt that way in the first century? And just stop with the parable *****. Parables are stories told to illustrate the point. But the *literal reading* would be that Jesus literally spoke the parables. Not that someone made them up later to make the teachings of Jesus easier to digest. Edited February 26 by LeviF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Replace “God” with “Allah” and see what kind of reaction conservatives would give BINGO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: The vast majority of the Bible calls for a literal reading well a little concession is better than no concession. so who among the great fundamentalist theologians decides what is and isn't literal. What I see is the words that support their extremist agenda are to be taken literally and those that don't are ignored; like the 10 commandments and the orange false god. more importantly, what is your beef against Catholics? Is it the Theology or something else? Edited February 26 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 So this is a big nothing burger, but fear sells so, buy up I guess. Btw I'm not religious at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: well a little concession is better than no concession. so who among the great fundamentalist theologians decides what is and isn't literal. What I see is the words that support their extremist agenda are to be taken literally and those that don't are ignored; like the 10 commandments and the orange false god. I'm sure that the Bible has some words on literal idol smashing. What are they ignoring? You're starting to sound like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 44 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Probably a decent chunk, to be honest. A Christian Nationalist is a person who believes that the USA should explicitly one religion - evangelical Christianity - and base all its laws around the Bible. No separation of church and state, no freedom of association or speech. You either follow the Bible or get out. Or worse. To be fair, you can't even put a number on your fear. You should worry about the economy, or the massive amount of people pouring in from our southern border, oh wait. But UBER Christians are the issue, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: I'm sure that the Bible has some words on literal idol smashing. What are they ignoring? You're starting to sound like this: Untrue. I'm a practicing Catholic. Not ignoring anything. Maybe you should read some of the New Testament writings on how to treat immigrants and the unfortunate. Literal interpretation of the bible is what happens when some dummy ignores or is ignorant of the 2000+ year old historical context of the bible and to the writers of it. The informed understand the goals of many of the authors in the dire time period of the middle east at the time. Context matters. But admittedly, it's easier to take every word literally. No study or thought needed. A trip to the Assyrian portion of the British museum might help your understanding of the old testament era. why do you dislike (hate?) Catholics 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: . But UBER Christians are the issue, got it. yup. A large portion of the stupid MAGA base and a threat to all who don't believe what they do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Untrue. I'm a practicing Catholic. Not ignoring anything. Maybe you should read some of the New Testament writings on how to treat immigrants and the unfortunate. Literal interpretation of the bible is what happens when some dummy ignores or is ignorant of the 2000+ year old historical context of the bible and to the writers of it. The informed understand the goals of many of the authors in the dire time period of the middle east at the time. Context matters. But admittedly, it's easier to take every word literally. No study or thought needed. A trip to the Assyrian portion of the British museum might help your understanding of the old testament era. why do you dislike (hate?) Catholics yup. A large portion of the stupid MAGA base and a threat to all who don't believe what they do... No. Just stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Untrue. I'm a practicing Catholic. Not ignoring anything. Maybe you should read some of the New Testament writings on how to treat immigrants and the unfortunate. Literal interpretation of the bible is what happens when some dummy ignores or is ignorant of the 2000+ year old historical context of the bible and to the writers of it. The informed understand the goals of many of the authors in the dire time period of the middle east at the time. Context matters. But admittedly, it's easier to take every word literally. No study or thought needed. A trip to the Assyrian portion of the British museum might help your understanding of the old testament era. why do you dislike (hate?) Catholics yup. A large portion of the stupid MAGA base and a threat to all who don't believe what they do... So the books of the Kings, the words of the major and minor prophets, all can be cast aside according to Catholic doctrine? I think not. I have no beef with Catholics (especially on Fridays during Lent). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: No. Just stop. The fact you don't like it reassures me that I'm hitting the mark. 2 minutes ago, LeviF said: So the books of the Kings, the words of the major and minor prophets, all can be cast aside according to Catholic doctrine? I think not. I have no beef with Catholics (especially on Fridays during Lent). Not sure how you got to YOUR conclusion from what I've said which is that the bible is not a book to be blindly taken literally. Ya know, the fundamentalist way. Re the last sentence, why do you consider Cartholicism bad as a Mexican characteristic? You keep ducking this. You said it. I'm asking why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The fact you don't like it reassures me that I'm hitting the mark. Not sure how you got to YOUR conclusion from what I've said which is that the bible is not a book to be blindly taken literally. Ya know, the fundamentalist way. Re the last sentence, why do you consider Cartholicism bad as a Mexican characteristic? You keep ducking this. You said it. I'm asking why. I didn’t say that, your reading comprehension is (again) demonstrably poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The fact you don't like it reassures me that I'm hitting the mark. Not sure how you got to YOUR conclusion from what I've said which is that the bible is not a book to be blindly taken literally. Ya know, the fundamentalist way. Re the last sentence, why do you consider Cartholicism bad as a Mexican characteristic? You keep ducking this. You said it. I'm asking why. I'm not religious, what's to not like? This is a non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 34 minutes ago, LeviF said: So the books of the Kings, the words of the major and minor prophets, all can be cast aside according to Catholic doctrine? A good deal of "Catholic Doctrine" is non Biblical. Papal bulls is a good place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 42 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: But UBER Christians are the issue, got it. Yet, look at the threads by the cult attacking LGTBQ - a community that comprises ~1 percent of the population of this country. Reminder: no one is attacking Christianity - but this country is and will never be theocracy or a Christian nation. You best come to terms with that sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Yet, look at the threads by the cult attacking LGTBQ - a community that comprises ~1 percent of the population of this country. Reminder: no one is attacking Christianity - but this country is and will never be theocracy or a Christian nation. You best come to terms with that sooner than later. I don't give a *****, I'm not religious. And to be fair the lgbtq community is attacking people, and the media is trying to bury it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 18 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: I don't give a *****, I'm not religious. And to be fair the lgbtq community is attacking people, and the media is trying to bury it. Attacking who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 4 hours ago, Roundybout said: Replace “God” with “Allah” and see what kind of reaction conservatives would give We know Dems would be "they're entitled to their beliefs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, sherpa said: I will allow one synapse the opportunity to worry about this nonsense when I hear one person ever mention such a thought. One can find any manner of internet lunatic videos. I never have heard any such talk, and I have been a Christian since Baptism and student of the Bible for well over a decade. Anyone who ever suggested some kind of takeover would be labeled a lunatic in my circle. You should ask these guys what they think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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