Is it time to grow concerned about Greg Rousseau?

[Big Turk]

No.

[BillsPride12]

When he's healthy he can be a force.  My only concern with him is he going to be the type of guy that is constantly dealing with nagging injuries?  The injuries he's had so far could just be flukey but I get nervous because of his body frame.  Sometimes those big guys like that can deal with nagging foot problems.  We'll see

[Beast]

He’s mediocre. The type of player that shouldn’t get a second contract.

[LabattBlue]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Montez Sweat deal.

Would it have been that difficult to respond with the years and $$$. 👎🏻

[LABILLBACKER]

42 minutes ago, gotme365 said:

I’d treat this exactly like Edmunds. Pick up the option but I’m not extending. He’s a great run defender but is a subpar pass rusher. I wouldn’t want to pay big money for that

Totally agree.....I'm very concerned.  Greg has played 3 full seasons and is averaging 5.6 sacks per season. I would expect a little more from a 1st round DE, regardless of whether he was picked 20th or 30th.  I'm not extending and paying 15-20M until he can prove double digit sacks. Right now he's just Chris Kelsay.

Edited February 19 by LABILLBACKER

[schoolhouserock]

He seems to play the run really, really well. He could be elite at that part of the game.

 

Not sure what his ceiling is for pass rushing, however.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

Would it have been that difficult to respond with the years and $$$. 👎🏻

4 years 96 million. By the time the contract kicks in he’d probably be around 15-20th highest paid edge.

 

The problem is if Rousseau has an elite season we might see that number jump closer to $30 million per year. Thats when the decision gets harder because he’d just have that 1 elite season.

[Cubanmist 1]

Much rather extend Leonard than Groot. We need intimidators and pests, not someone that is just there. If he can manage to be in the QBs face most of the day then I’d give him a big contract. 

Just now, Cubanmist 1 said:

Much rather extend Leonard than Groot. We need intimidators and pests, not someone that is just there. If he can manage to be in the QBs face most of the day then I’d give him a big contract. 

It’s bad enough that Espenesa made more noise than Groot. AJ merits a raise more than Groot.

[Billl]

44 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

What's the concern? Dude is playing exactly how you'd expect a #30 1st round pick to play.

 

Yes, you pick up the option, and extend him. No brainer. This is nothing like Edmunds.

Extend him at what price, though?  If it takes 4/$86 million with $60 million guaranteed, are you good with that?  He's a solid player and a great value at his current contract of 4/$12 million. 

 

I listed him as the most likely Bill to have a breakout season in 2023, but it never materialized.  Unless he finds another level in 2024, I think Beane can find similar production in the draft on day 2.

[dpberr]

IMO, Rousseau is a 1B at this stage in his career.  He needs the other end, the 1A, to create the chaos so that he can take advantage of it.  That's the downstream value of a player like Von Miller.  If Von Miller performs, Rousseau likely has a Pro Bowl year statistically on the other end of the line.  

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

Extend him at what price, though?  If it takes 4/$86 million with $60 million guaranteed, are you good with that?  He's a solid player and a great value at his current contract of 4/$12 million. 

 

I listed him as the most likely Bill to have a breakout season in 2023, but it never materialized.  Unless he finds another level in 2024, I think Beane can find similar production in the draft on day 2.

 

Considering we are talking about a contract that will run 2026-2029, yes. Those numbers should be more than acceptable and workable by our FO.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Totally agree.....I'm very concerned.  Greg has played 3 full seasons and is averaging 5.6 sacks per season. I would expect a little more from a 1st round DE, regardless of whether he was picked 20th or 30th.  I'm not extending and paying 15-20M until he can prove double digit sacks. Right now he's just Chris Kelsay.

So you only want great players, rookies, or aging vets? No good players or middle players?  
 

You also have to account for position. Edmunds played a position easily replaced. You can’t just replace Rousseau. Like I said his pressure rates are better than his sack rates. The sacks will probably come, but even if he averages 6-8 sacks every year he’s worth the contract because he does everything.

5 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

Much rather extend Leonard than Groot. We need intimidators and pests, not someone that is just there. If he can manage to be in the QBs face most of the day then I’d give him a big contract. 

It’s bad enough that Espenesa made more noise than Groot. AJ merits a raise more than Groot.

You need both Floyd and Rousseau.

 

No, Epenesa is no where near Rousseau as a player.

[FireChans]

46 minutes ago, Process said:

I didn't believe you when I saw this but looked it up and wow yea still just 23yo. 

The Edmunds comparison continues to grow.

[Don Otreply]

No its not, at this point its meaningless off season chatter, what we need here is more meaningless combine chatter…, and fire McDermott threads, oh and don’t forget back up QB threads as well…, 

Edited February 19 by Don Otreply

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, Cubanmist 1 said:

Much rather extend Leonard than Groot. We need intimidators and pests, not someone that is just there. If he can manage to be in the QBs face most of the day then I’d give him a big contract. 

It’s bad enough that Espenesa made more noise than Groot. AJ merits a raise more than Groot.

Neither merits a raise nor can either consistently get home. If you want to hurdle KC, you actually have to sack Mahomes.  Not almost sack him. I could live with giving Floyd a 2yr deal @ 7M per yr. But there's no way I'm paying Groot 15+ unless he can have a 10 or 12 sack season.

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Considering we are talking about a contract that will run 2026-2029, yes. Those numbers should be more than acceptable and workable by our FO.

I’m kinda not as interested in paying big money to players who don’t show up in big moments. 
 

$40M+ cap hit on the DL in 26 for Eddy and Greg to not breathe on opposing QB’s in the postseason? Woof.

 

[SoCal Deek]

I’d be looking at the D Line coach with a magnifying glass. We cannot keep drafting these guys and then dumping them back on the street year after year. Groot has all the tools to be a very good NFL edge rusher. And I’d say the same for Epinesa. Neither of these were small school ‘project’ picks. Who’s teaching these young men how to adapt their skill set to the NFL? (For what it’s worth, AJE was a beast in college and then some genius at OBD told him to shed 100 pounds.)

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

No its not, at this point its meaningless   off season chatter, what we need here more of is meaningless combine chatter…, and fire McDermott threads, oh and don’t forget back up QB threads as well…, 

If you don’t want to read TBD and the “meaningless chatter” in the off-season, there’s a big red X in the top right of the screen.

[SCBills]

Kinda, yea...

 

We don't have the luxury of paying big money to non-difference makers. 

 

As of right now, Rousseau's ability and potential would require big money.  As of now, he hasn't been a difference maker.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’d be looking at the D Line coach with a magnifying glass. We cannot keep drafting these guys and then dumping them back on the street year after year. Groot has all the tools to be a very good NFL edge rusher. And I’d say the same for Epinesa. Neither of these were small school ‘project’ picks. Who’s teaching these young men how to adapt their skill set to the NFL? (For what it’s worth, AJE was a beast in college and then some genius at OBD told him to shed 100 pounds.)

 

I've long suspected the AHC title was given to Washington in an effort to get him promoted out of the organization while getting a couple of 3rd rounders. I havent been impressed with his work while he's been here. It seemed like Von contributed more to AJE and Groot's development in 1 year than Washington was able to manage.