When healthy: we were the best team in the league.

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Our mate from Kansas City that posts here did make a good point the other day…

 

Outside the QB … is there another superstar on this Bills team ?

 

KC has a couple …including Chris Jones who I think is the most valuable defensive player in the game at present …

 

They got 2 great CBs ( better than anything we got) … superior interior OL ( that handled Oliver with ease… ) and Kelce on the decline but still a big game winner …

 

Bills have got a lot of “above average “ players … but not too many game winners outside JA..
 

 

 

Yep. 2nd half of the season Diggs was not Diggs so I think that is right. And I have long argued our issue has been lots of good, not enough great.

[Matt_In_NH]

9 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

“Ifs and buts” should be our new team name. 

And the title of this thread

[Cray51]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Put Diggs down as a “used to be “

 

I like Taron … he is an above average ..but give me the other 2 from KC

Diggs gets another year from me before I start to truly say he isn’t a superstar.  The dolphins game is too fresh from early in the year.

 

 Regarding taking chiefs talent over Buffalo, that wasn’t your point in the post.  The bills having superstars and the bills not worse superstars than the chiefs are two different things.

 

i also believe that a healthy White/Milano gives the bills two pro bowl or all pro talents added to their defense that they severely missed.

 

if the chiefs didn’t have sneed or jones, they don’t win the Super Bowl 

[ProcessTruster]

12 hours ago, Success said:

The Jets game was just weird.  The season opener, Rodgers getting hurt early, Allen kind of falling apart.  But after that, we tore through September.  Allen was firing on all cylinders, and the defense was as good as I've seen in the McDermott era.  It was smothering, aggressive, flying to the ball.  Man, was that D good.

 

Our D when we faced KC at the end was a shell of that D.

 

Every team has to deal with injuries.  No doubt.  But seriously, who dealt w/ more, and which team was clearly impacted by losses? We lost Hines & Damien Harris before things really started.  Then, in one fell swoop, we lost Milano, Tre & Jones.  Arguably the top 3 guys on our defense.  Then we lose Benford, Rapp, Spector and Bernard, the latter of whom had picked up the slack in ways that were completely unexpected. So excited to see him AND Milano on the field this coming season.

 

It wasn't just that we had to navigate the playoffs without quite a few of our best players. Even some of the guys playing, like Rasul Douglas, were clearly playing hurt and less effective.

 

People always say the same thing:  "excuses, excuses."  To which I respond:  "reality."  If KC had the extent of injuries we had, and we were as healthy as they were, I have no issue saying that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell they would beat us.  

 

Relative roster health between two teams is less important for a regular season game matters less bc it can even out over 18 weeks of the regular season.  Some games your team is banged up, the other team is healthy and you lose.   Then the situaion is reversed at another week.   But in a single elimination tournament, that one game where your team has a half dozen key players out and the other team is healthy, you go home and they are called a dynasty.   Its all garbage, i wish the 18 week regular season counted for a lot more as it is a better indication of who has the "dynasty".   Chiefs haven't won any more games than the Bills have in the past 5 years... so which team is the "dynasty"?   

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

i wish the 18 week regular season counted for a lot more as it is a better indication of who has the "dynasty".   Chiefs haven't won any more games than the Bills have in the past 5 years... so which team is the "dynasty"?   

 

I don't wish it did because it is the joy of the NFL in a sense. Compare it to soccer and the Premier League over here and everyone plays everyone else, home and away, over 38 games. When it comes to the end you can be pretty confident the best team won. That isn't the way the NFL works. The best team doesn't always win the Superbowl. Single game elimination, tournament style sport does not always produce the best winner because the sample size allows luck, injury breaks, one amazing play, flukes (helmet catch) to have much more of a definitive impact. 

 

The flip side of all that is it makes it much harder to repeat. Which is why it hadn't been done in 20 years and why nobody should diminish the Chiefs achievement in doing so, especially as IMO they HAVE beaten the two best NFC teams over that period in the Superbowl.

[Sweats]

Championship teams find a way to win.....period.

[nucci]

Yes, so many threads on the Bills are better than the Chiefs, best team in the league, best QB....yet no Superbowls. 

[BillsFan2313]

10 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I remember when I used to play a close friend of mine in basketball. It was always fairly close. Depending on the score you might even say we were just about even. But he rarely won. Somehow I always seemed to win. Always. So you could argue it was close, but it really wasn't. Those couple of points might as well been five times as many for as hard as it was for him to overcome.

 

If this thread is your version of logical I'm thrilled you don't think I am.  

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

13 hours ago, Success said:

 

He also said that Beane hasn't built a Super Bowl-caliber roster yet.  Which I disagreed with, as his team - which is clearly SB caliber, as they won it - barely squeaked by a very beat-up Bills team in the playoffs.  I mean, if Diggs makes that catch, it's a very different game.  If Chris Jones gets there a half second later, it's a different game.  We were right there w/ KC - so how were we not SB caliber?

 

And I'd disagree a bit on superstars.  Diggs is a superstar.  I don't think he was healthy down the stretch.  Kincaid is a superstar in the making.  We have one of the better pass rushes in the league.  Our O-line is as good as it has been in the JA era.  Cook is easily a top 5 RB.

 

EDIT:  I completely forgot to add how much I enjoy KC fans coming here and Chiefsplaining to us why our team isn't good enough.

 

Cook is nowhere near top 5 RB in NFL . His breaking tackle abilities are horrific and his yds after contact also not very good. He's a product of those light boxes and Josh Allen commanding so much attention. If there was a true 3 down back next to Josh in the bk field he would easily have 2000 combined yds on 20 touches per week. 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

Diggs gets another year from me before I start to truly say he isn’t a superstar.  The dolphins game is too fresh from early in the year.

 

 Regarding taking chiefs talent over Buffalo, that wasn’t your point in the post.  The bills having superstars and the bills not worse superstars than the chiefs are two different things.

 

i also believe that a healthy White/Milano gives the bills two pro bowl or all pro talents added to their defense that they severely missed.

 

if the chiefs didn’t have sneed or jones, they don’t win the Super Bowl 

But they did have them and they won. People here need to live in reality.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

If we won some of these games like vs the Pats, Jets and Broncos we would've had a bye week in the playoffs the #1 seed in AFC and wouldn't of got more injuries like we did vs Pitt. Giving away easy wins cost us a chance at the Superbowl and since Josh left those games with the lead in final minutes most of the problem is Mcd. 

[Niagara Dude]

14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Our mate from Kansas City that posts here did make a good point the other day…

 

Outside the QB … is there another superstar on this Bills team ?

 

KC has a couple …including Chris Jones who I think is the most valuable defensive player in the game at present …

 

They got 2 great CBs ( better than anything we got) … superior interior OL ( that handled Oliver with ease… ) and Kelce on the decline but still a big game winner …

 

Bills have got a lot of “above average “ players … but not too many game winners outside JA..
 

 

It's a great point,  I think outside of Mahomes,  Chris Jones is the most valuable player on that team.  When they need a play he usually gets it for them and did in the game against the Bills and in OT against the 49ers.  Bills do not have that kind of player o. either side of the ball

14 hours ago, Success said:

 

He also said that Beane hasn't built a Super Bowl-caliber roster yet.  Which I disagreed with, as his team - which is clearly SB caliber, as they won it - barely squeaked by a very beat-up Bills team in the playoffs.  I mean, if Diggs makes that catch, it's a very different game.  If Chris Jones gets there a half second later, it's a different game.  We were right there w/ KC - so how were we not SB caliber?

 

And I'd disagree a bit on superstars.  Diggs is a superstar.  I don't think he was healthy down the stretch.  Kincaid is a superstar in the making.  We have one of the better pass rushes in the league.  Our O-line is as good as it has been in the JA era.  Cook is easily a top 5 RB.

 

EDIT:  I completely forgot to add how much I enjoy KC fans coming here and Chiefsplaining to us why our team isn't good enough.

 

 Kincaid is a superstar in the making which I fully agree,  as for Diggs show me one big playoff game were he exploded or took over.  He is good but not an elite star

[Nihilarian]

13 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Our mate from Kansas City that posts here did make a good point the other day…

 

Outside the QB … is there another superstar on this Bills team ?

 

KC has a couple …including Chris Jones who I think is the most valuable defensive player in the game at present …

 

They got 2 great CBs ( better than anything we got) … superior interior OL ( that handled Oliver with ease… ) and Kelce on the decline but still a big game winner …

 

Bills have got a lot of “above average “ players … but not too many game winners outside JA..

 

WR= NEED. It showed on offense this year and last that the team has no clear speed deep threat to beat that cover 2 shell.

 

In that Cincy playoff game Diggs had 10 targets, and 4 receptions for 35 yards.  Now the week before against Miami in the 2022 playoffs 9 targets, and 7 receptions for 114 yards. Gabe Davis had 9 targets, and 6 receptions for 113 yards, 1 TD.

 

This season with Gabe Davis out injured against the Steelers Diggs had 9 targets, and 7 receptions for 52 yards. Against KC, 8 targets, and 3 receptions for 21 yards. wow, that stinks. 

 

Brandon Beane really has his work cut out for him this offseason being so far above the cap and with so many needs. 

[ToGoGo]

Without the injuries we would have had a better shot yes. 
 

But again, we’re still a coin toss to beat the Chiefs every year. 
 

I want a dynasty that’s a level above these 5-7 contenders every year. That requires more high end talent. 

[The Jokeman]

11 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Put Diggs down as a “used to be “

 

I like Taron … he is an above average ..but give me the other 2 from KC

Taron is hit and miss, at the start of the season he was getting burned more than not. He did finish the season stronger but personally think we need to make him more of a true nickel back and not a 3 down starter maybe moving to a true 43 would suit us better.  

[Jrb1979]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Relative roster health between two teams is less important for a regular season game matters less bc it can even out over 18 weeks of the regular season.  Some games your team is banged up, the other team is healthy and you lose.   Then the situaion is reversed at another week.   But in a single elimination tournament, that one game where your team has a half dozen key players out and the other team is healthy, you go home and they are called a dynasty.   Its all garbage, i wish the 18 week regular season counted for a lot more as it is a better indication of who has the "dynasty".   Chiefs haven't won any more games than the Bills have in the past 5 years... so which team is the "dynasty"?   

The Chiefs cause they won when it mattered. 

[frostbitmic]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

Relative roster health between two teams is less important for a regular season game matters less bc it can even out over 18 weeks of the regular season.  Some games your team is banged up, the other team is healthy and you lose.   Then the situaion is reversed at another week.   But in a single elimination tournament, that one game where your team has a half dozen key players out and the other team is healthy, you go home and they are called a dynasty.   Its all garbage, i wish the 18 week regular season counted for a lot more as it is a better indication of who has the "dynasty".   Chiefs haven't won any more games than the Bills have in the past 5 years... so which team is the "dynasty"?   

During the regular season you could say the Bills are the better team but once it comes to January the Chiefs are by far the better team . The Chiefs have also won 3 of the past 4 games in February, Buffalo hasn't even played in February this century.

 

Winning 3 of the past 4 Super Bowls puts them at the verge of, if not earned the title of Dynasty.

[nucci]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Relative roster health between two teams is less important for a regular season game matters less bc it can even out over 18 weeks of the regular season.  Some games your team is banged up, the other team is healthy and you lose.   Then the situaion is reversed at another week.   But in a single elimination tournament, that one game where your team has a half dozen key players out and the other team is healthy, you go home and they are called a dynasty.   Its all garbage, i wish the 18 week regular season counted for a lot more as it is a better indication of who has the "dynasty".   Chiefs haven't won any more games than the Bills have in the past 5 years... so which team is the "dynasty"?   

They've been to the Superbowl 4 of last 5 seasons, winning 3 of them. Is that a serious question? 

[BarleyNY]

15 hours ago, Success said:

The Jets game was just weird.  The season opener, Rodgers getting hurt early, Allen kind of falling apart.  But after that, we tore through September.  Allen was firing on all cylinders, and the defense was as good as I've seen in the McDermott era.  It was smothering, aggressive, flying to the ball.  Man, was that D good.

 

Our D when we faced KC at the end was a shell of that D.

 

Every team has to deal with injuries.  No doubt.  But seriously, who dealt w/ more, and which team was clearly impacted by losses? We lost Hines & Damien Harris before things really started.  Then, in one fell swoop, we lost Milano, Tre & Jones.  Arguably the top 3 guys on our defense.  Then we lose Benford, Rapp, Spector and Bernard, the latter of whom had picked up the slack in ways that were completely unexpected. So excited to see him AND Milano on the field this coming season.

 

It wasn't just that we had to navigate the playoffs without quite a few of our best players. Even some of the guys playing, like Rasul Douglas, were clearly playing hurt and less effective.

 

People always say the same thing:  "excuses, excuses."  To which I respond:  "reality."  If KC had the extent of injuries we had, and we were as healthy as they were, I have no issue saying that there isn't a snowball's chance in hell they would beat us.  

 

 

Any team with a franchise level QB that got injured had worse injury luck than the Bills. At least in terms of impact on their team’s ability to win games. Would anyone here trade getting back every injured player we had for losing Allen? I sure wouldn’t.

 

Just in the AFC, the Jets (Rodgers), Cincy (Burrow) and Browns (Watson, Chubb, top 4 OTs, etc) all had worse luck than the Bills. 

[SoCal Deek]

I will say it again. The Bills had the ball in Chiefs territory late in the Fourth Quarter...at home, with the chance to take the lead and go to the Championship Game. Milano would've been on the bench, along with the rest of the defense. The Bills (and their coaching staff) had one job to do at that critical moment....keep the damn ball, and not give it back to Mahomes. They failed once again! Our injuries had nothing to do with it. You cannot go back and relitigate the entire season. They were right where they wanted to be in the end.