What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?

[SinceThe70s]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If that impresses you, this is what you'll get:

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

To be clear I am not fully in Sean's corner - I think it's a great point of debate on both sides of the coin.

 

But the insistence on one side that Sean is destined to be Marty II with no acknowledgement that any other outcome is possible is an exceedingly weak argument imo. History suggests to me that either outcome is possible.

[BullBuchanan]

55 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Or maybe this?

 

 

To be clear I am not fully in Sean's corner - I think it's a great point of debate on both sides of the coin.

 

But the insistence on one side that Sean is destined to be Marty II with no acknowledgement that any other outcome is possible is an exceedingly weak argument imo. History suggests to me that either outcome is possible.

Cowher won a a conference championship his 4th season with Neil O'Donnell. Stop it. He kept them in the playoffs and dragged Kordell Stewart to two more AFC Championship games before he finally got Roethlisberger and went to a 4th his rookie year.

Honestly, comparing Sean to Marty is a poor example. Marty was actually a very good coach that elevated every team he was a part of. He just had a ceiling. Sean doesn't have that kind of pedigree. What we do know is that he's an underachiever who game in and game out, year in and year out makes the same mistakes. He can elevate bottom of the roster type players, especially on defense, but he's incapable of being a force multiplier to our strengths, which is what we need in critical matchups. .  Instead our biggest players often disappear when we need them most. You can also always count on him for multiple boneheaded clock management and playcall blunders in the most crucial spots of games He might be the 2nd coming of Mike Smith.

[SoonerBillsFan]

I'm going to say something way off base here and say... I don't care.  Do I want us to win one, yes!   But I for one have gotten so obsessed with winning a superbowl, that I haven't really enjoyed just watching the team play. 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Advancing to the Super Bowl is not what I am interested in.  Sure it will make some people think that is closer to the goal but this team has to win it all.  Shanahan is in a similar position to McDermott even though he has advanced to the Super Bowl twice 

Edited February 19 by Matt_In_NH

[Matt_In_NH]

On 2/16/2024 at 12:12 PM, GoBills808 said:

I would have made a change already

 

McDermott is already the 4th longest tenured HC in the league and out of the top 10 (certainly the top5) has the least to show for it

I assume you think losing the SB means you have more to show.  I don’t but I get the argument.  This team goes toe to toe consistently with KC.  KC is their problem and they are one of the best groups in the history of the league with 3 of 5 super bowls and winning three.  bills runs into them earlier than SF based on the conference they are in.  I can criticize McDermott but the reality is someone else is much likelier to make the team worse than better.   So my question for those who want him gone is for who?

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I'm going to say something way off base here and say... I don't care.  Do I want us to win one, yes!   But I for one have gotten so obsessed with winning a superbowl, that I haven't really enjoyed just watching the team play. 

 

 

 

Genuinely, that isn't healthy. I got there for a time with Arsenal in the early 00s. We had an incredible team playing fantastic football and when I look back now I don't know how much, if at all, I enjoyed it at the time. Because I was so obsessed with the outcome. I was a teenage / in my early 20s and definitely less mature but I lived emotionally through the team. I have been much better at enjoying this era of Bills football and Arsenal's renaissance the past couple of years because I have recognised that my emotions have zero impact on the outcome. Still get nervous, still delighted when they win and gutted when they lose. But I enjoy watching the games. 

13 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Advancing to the Super Bowl is not what I am interested in.  Sure it will make some people think that is closer to the goal but this team has to win it all.  Shanahan is in a similar position to McDermott even though he has advanced to the Super Bowl twice 

 

Agree. As you said in your following post the Bills and SF are in the same place IMO. They are the two teams who can and do go toe to toe with KC but can't get past them in the post season. San Fran gets to see them later because of conference alignment. Nothing more than that. 

[Gugny]

7 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I'm going to say something way off base here and say... I don't care.  Do I want us to win one, yes!   But I for one have gotten so obsessed with winning a superbowl, that I haven't really enjoyed just watching the team play. 

 

 

The ONLY time I got there was during the Tyrod Taylor era. 
 

When I read the news that he’d been traded (for a third round pick, no less), not only was it one of the happiest Bills-related moments of my life, it was instantly one of those “I know where I was/what I was doing when,” moments. 
 

Incidentally, I was at home, taking a dump. 
 

Couldn’t have been scripted better. 

[Sweats]

Participation trophies for everybody!!!.....but seriously, McD should have been let go after the 13 second debacle and i really don't know how anyone could defend him.

[nedboy7]

Losers whine about falling short of the goal.  Sometimes literally daily. 

Winner mentality takes the loss as a challenge and comes back to try again. 

This is called life.  Not participation trophies.  Stop whining.  It's ugly. 

[corta765]

I would have made wholesale changes after the loss to CIN. After this year and the fact the team did respond to him and more importantly the offense went back to being a dynamic powerful unit we liked he has through next year.

[BillsfaninCT]

HC does what script says, you're looking for a change amongst the rod and gun club my friend for a new script.  Good luck generating more revenue than swifties lol

Edited February 19 by BillsfaninCT

[stuvian]

The "Decade of Fail" was actually 18 years from 1999 to 2017. I was a season ticket holder from 2006 to 2018 during which there were no home playoff games. We went out in round one on the road versus the Jags in 2017.

 

You have never known what it is like to have the cold weather part of your season ticket package descend into worthlessness because you have been effectively eliminated by week 10.

 

Now we have a regime and franchise QB who have had us in the playoffs seven of eight seasons with one advancement to the conference title game where we lost in OT. Everyone is suddenly screaming because it isn't happening fast enough so therefore we must fire everybody. 

 

I saw what I needed to see when McDermott took us from 6-6 to 11-6 and did so through the most difficult opponents on our schedule. Losing by a FG to the eventual SB champs is not only a sign we are knocking on the door but also something established fan bases in many cities would die for. 

 

The Pegulas made a legacy hire when they formed the Beane - McDermott tandem. I didn't always think so but I do now. I don't know what the locker room dynamics were before Dorsey and Frazier left but the organization seems more cohesive as a result. Canning everyone would set us back years.

[Saxum]

7 hours ago, stuvian said:

The Pegulas made a legacy hire when they formed the Beane - McDermott tandem. I didn't always think so but I do now. I don't know what the locker room dynamics were before Dorsey and Frazier left but the organization seems more cohesive as a result. Canning everyone would set us back years.

 

It was a legacy hire because the two work very well together.  Not such a team since early 90s in Buffalo.  

[uticaclub]

On 2/16/2024 at 7:33 AM, Virgil said:

This is tough for me.  Normally, I would say they should make the change this offseason.  But then again, what are we really asking for here?  We are looking for someone to do what no one else can.  I'd argue that McD plays Reid better than any other coach.  We scored more points against the Chiefs than anyone else did in the playoffs, same in prior years.  

 

With that being said, you're asking do we drop the #2 coach for a hopeful coach that can do what no one else has.  

 

I'm not sure how to answer that honestly.  

McDermott is far below the #2 coach. If there was a coaching draft I doubt he goes top 15. Mostly because unproven guys have more upside, where McDermott you know your plateau.

[Beast]

It’s not about advancing to the Super Bowl.

 

It’s about winning it. 
 

That’s all that matters.

[Chaos]

On 2/19/2024 at 9:29 PM, stuvian said:

franchise QB

This is the reason for the end of the fail. Full stop.  Everything is else is the reason we have leveled off at current levels. It is reasonable to be happy with current levels. It is reasonable to think that maybe the breaks will fall the Bills way and they will break out of current levels.  It is also reasonable to think that there is not going to be a breakout from the current level without making some major change.  Its part of what makes sports interesting. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 more season. 
 

It’ll be hilarious if the Bills hire a defensive minded HC again though. 

[FilthyBeast]

I would have fired McDivisional after 13 seconds and have said as much since being here and on social media. You don't come back from that and this year in the playoffs validated that if there was any doubt left....which is why I would have also fired him without thinking twice about it a few weeks ago after losing to the Chiefs for the 3rd time in 4 years and this time in front of your home fans.

 

But apparently because this owner actually must believe coaching isn't the issue and buys all the excuses some of the fans do (i.e. injuries) we are going to keep having this conversation until JA17's prime has passed, retires early, plays elsewhere, etc.

[Gregg]

12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

1 more season. 
 

It’ll be hilarious if the Bills hire a defensive minded HC again though. 

 

I would take Bill as the HC. Knows how to win the big games. Not only a better HC than Sean but DC as well.

[Marcus Aurelius]

 

No patience.

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