What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?

[Shaw66]

On 2/16/2024 at 11:04 PM, Thurman#1 said:

This may go a long way towards documenting the fact that fans are far more subject to panic and bad, emotionally-based decision-making than they should be.

But we already knew that.

[LeGOATski]

My patience is unlimited. I'm not a child anymore. I'm here to be entertained. The team's accomplishments are not a reflection of me. My personal goals are separate from their goals.

[nedboy7]

19 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm 65 and wanted his arse canned after 13 seconds of pure coaching idiocy. But clearly the majority of "partcipation trophy" fans of McD are content to win some reg. season games for the sheer entertainment.  Go figure?....watching this team fail every year in the playoffs hardly screams entertainment. But if you set the bar low you'll never be disappointed. 

 

If you are not entertained why would you watch a team for decades that has never won the trophy?  

[CheshireCT]

14 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

My patience is unlimited. I'm not a child anymore. I'm here to be entertained. The team's accomplishments are not a reflection of me. My personal goals are separate from their goals.

 

exactly this!

 

Plus, demanding a Super Bowl victory??? There are so many combined factors that contribute to this, one of which is LUCK. There isn't a singular change you can make to any team that will make a Super Bowl victory come true. 

 

Right now we're in dreamland as far as sports fans are concerned. We get to watch a team that is entertaining, wins most of the time, and has a chance at a championship every year. Can't ask for more than that.

[Shaw66]

27 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

 

exactly this!

 

Plus, demanding a Super Bowl victory??? There are so many combined factors that contribute to this, one of which is LUCK. There isn't a singular change you can make to any team that will make a Super Bowl victory come true. 

 

Right now we're in dreamland as far as sports fans are concerned. We get to watch a team that is entertaining, wins most of the time, and has a chance at a championship every year. Can't ask for more than that.

Exactly, again.  I wouldn't say what @LeGOATski said - I don't have a lot of personal goals, and winning a Super Bowl isn't really goal, it's a hope or a wish.  But other than health and success of my family, there isn't much on my wish list ahead of a Lombardi.  So, my "wish" is exactly the same as the team's goal.

 

But your points are correct, about how hard it is to win a Super Bowl and about how much fun it is to be the fan of a team that truly is in the hunt to win it all year after year.   

 

During the drought, which team did I envy?  Well, in terms of excellence, of course it was the Patriots.  What they did was phenomenal, but it's sort of unreasonable to expect any team to do that again.  I mean, the NFL might not see another dynasty like that for 50 years.  So, no, I didn't envy the Patriots.  What I hoped for was to be like the Steelers:   a team with a shot every season, a team that had a hard-nosed QB who was one of the best in league, a team with stable ownership and a commitment to quality through continuity, a team that kept going about the work of being a success in the NFL year after year.   

 

Amazingly, I got what I hoped for.  The Bills have become the kind of franchise I wanted to be a fan of.

 

Will the Bills win a Super Bowl before I die?   I don't know, but that's much more up to me and my longevity than is the Bills, because I expect they will win one before Allen retires, I'd guess more than one.    

Edited February 18 by Shaw66

[Gunsgoodtime]

33 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

If you are not entertained why would you watch a team for decades that has never won the trophy?  

All in hopes that they somehow 1 day do it, not getting knocked out the playoffs every year.  Some of you don't seem to understand that though

[CheshireCT]

13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Exactly, again.  I wouldn't say what @LeGOATski said - I don't have a lot of personal goals, and winning a Super Bowl isn't really goal, it's a hope or a wish.  But other than health and success of my family, there isn't much on my wish list ahead of a Lombardi.  So, my "wish" is exactly the same as the team's goal.

 

But your points are correct, about how hard it is to win a Super Bowl and about how much fun it is to be the fan of a team that truly is in the hunt to win it all year after year.   

 

During the drought, which team did I envy?  Well, in terms of excellence, of course it was the Patriots.  What they did was phenomenal, but it's sort of unreasonable to expect any team to do that again.  I mean, the NFL might not see another dynasty like that for 50 years.  So, no, I didn't envy the Patriots.  What I hoped for was to be like the Steelers:   a team with a shot every season, a team that had a hard-nosed QB who was one of the best in league, a team with stable ownership and a commitment to quality through continuity, a team that kept going about the work of being a success in the NFL year after year.   

 

Amazingly, I got what I hoped for.  The Bills have become the kind of franchise I wanted to be a fan of.

 

Will the Bills win a Super Bowl before I die?   I don't know, but that's much more up to me and my longevity than is the Bills, because I expect they will win one before Allen retires, I'd guess more than one.    

 

I think we get one too in the next decade, maybe more than one as you said. The players around Allen and the coordinators are going to change on a regular basis. It's a matter of us having the right combination of things in the right year.

Edited February 18 by CheshireCT

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, CheshireCT said:

 

I think we get one too in the next decade, maybe more than one as you said. The players around Allen and the coordinators are going to change on a regular basis. It's a matter of us having the right combination of things in the right year.

I agree completely.  To give credit where credit is due, however, what others say is, in fact, a legitimate question:  Are Beane and McDermott the right people to get the team there?   It is certainly possible that they just aren't good enough.

 

I'm not in that camp.  I think they're committed to winning big, and they're committed to change in order to get there.  Not everyone agrees. 

[CheshireCT]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

I agree completely.  To give credit where credit is due, however, what others say is, in fact, a legitimate question:  Are Beane and McDermott the right people to get the team there?   It is certainly possible that they just aren't good enough.

 

I'm not in that camp.  I think they're committed to winning big, and they're committed to change in order to get there.  Not everyone agrees. 

 

I think they are, and the consistency in winning they've shown is the best proof you can have. I think of it like a game of odds, if we're in the mix every year we're going to crack through eventually. Then as far as my personal feeling goes, I can see that they are both people who are constantly working on improving themselves. Those are the kinds of people you put faith in.

[Shaw66]

14 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

 

I think they are, and the consistency in winning they've shown is the best proof you can have. I think of it like a game of odds, if we're in the mix every year we're going to crack through eventually. Then as far as my personal feeling goes, I can see that they are both people who are constantly working on improving themselves. Those are the kinds of people you put faith in.

Thanks for this conversation.  I think we see it exactly the same way, and that's comforting, because a lot of people here seem to think I'm crazy!

[amprov56]

20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm 65 and wanted his arse canned after 13 seconds of pure coaching idiocy. But clearly the majority of "partcipation trophy" fans of McD are content to win some reg. season games for the sheer entertainment.  Go figure?....watching this team fail every year in the playoffs hardly screams entertainment. But if you set the bar low you'll never be disappointed. 

I'm 68 and I do not set the bar low but I do remember 1968, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1984, 1985 and the drought years. And like you I sat in the old rockpile including the 1966 Championship game! John Madden and Bill Cowther both won superbowls, check out the season leading up to the win.  The Steelers have six SB wins and only three coaches since 1970, using TBD standards Madden nor Cowther would have lasted to win one. We are a perrenial playoff team yet we want to take a chance on an unknown HC - lots of Bills history to suggest bad things can and will happen. Old guys are suppose to know better! 

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Thanks for this conversation.  I think we see it exactly the same way, and that's comforting, because a lot of people here seem to think I'm crazy!

You know and I know we have it pretty good but then we are old timers and not of the fast food generation!

[Shaw66]

17 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

 

You know and I know we have it pretty good but then we are old timers and not of the fast food generation!

10 cent hamburgers at McDonald's on Niagara Falls Blvd. when I was 14, baby.   Classic fast food!

20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

 But clearly the majority of "partcipation trophy" fans of McD are content to win some reg. season games for the sheer entertainment.  

I really object when people who think staying with McBeane is the right decision are derided by suggestions that we're willing to settle for the participation trophy.   I suppose there are some who feel that way, but most of us want to win just as much as you do.  We just believe McBeane are most likely to get the Bills there the soonest.  

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

My patience is unlimited. I'm not a child anymore. I'm here to be entertained. The team's accomplishments are not a reflection of me. My personal goals are separate from their goals.

winning the super bowl would be plenty entertaining 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

winning the super bowl would be plenty entertaining 

It would be the ultimate entertainment

[GoBills808]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

It would be the ultimate entertainment

That's why I want to shake things up

 

we're not going to be uncompetitive w a different staff and FO

 

personally I don't find divisional losses significantly more entertaining than wildcard losses

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

we're not going to be uncompetitive w a different staff and FO

Your confidence is entertaining too

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Your confidence is entertaining too

😂😂I'm glad, that's what we are here for

[nedboy7]

3 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

All in hopes that they somehow 1 day do it, not getting knocked out the playoffs every year.  Some of you don't seem to understand that though

 

We all do.  Your comment is not well thought out. 

Let me simplify.  When the team is eliminated from playoffs do you keep watching? 

Or... The many years we knew we really couldn't win it all, did you enjoy any Bills football? 

 

[BillsPride12]

On 2/17/2024 at 8:46 PM, jethro_tull said:

I hear you and I would say not so much lowering expectations but realizing they are "this close" to breaking through despite the mistakes.  KC seems like the only one in the way really.  Some player moves and we are right there again next season.  They know exactly what their roster needs are to beat them imho.  

How can you say that when you have seen how they look when they play against Cincinnati?

[BullBuchanan]

On 2/16/2024 at 5:12 PM, ProcessTruster said:

oh shut up.  59-25 just does not lie.  

If that impresses you, this is what you'll get: