julian Posted February 15 Posted February 15 5 hours ago, zow2 said: Gun violence is more of an inner city violence thing. Yes, there are shootings everywhere but I live near DC and the gun usage and deaths in certain areas is off the chain...and it spills over. They track down some of these violent lunatics who do crimes in the suburbs and many come up from DC to rob, car jack and kill. I blame the people doing these acts and the glorified culture of violence more than the actual guns. There’s definitely a cultural aspect with the inner city gun crimes in these black communities, people don’t want to say it out loud, but until it’s recognized and addressed I’m afraid the cycle of gun crime in those communities will continue and of course the people effected and hurt the most are the law abiding black citizens in those very communities. 4
Southern Bills Fan Posted February 15 Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: At least you have the guts to say it. I would encourage you to do a modicum of research about prevailing stereotypes in the depiction of black people in the news and media, a topic which has decades worth of research for your consideration. Or you can take a look at sentencing disparities between blacks and whites. If you're still convinced that the white man can't get a fair shake in America then we can agree to disagree. I would encourage you to do some research as well. FBI table 43 gives a racial breakdown of crimes each year by race. These stats are from every police agency in the country which are required to submit a UCR (Uniform Crime Report). A rough breakdown is that black men make up just over 6% of the population but commit approximately 55% of violent crimes. 4
colin Posted February 15 Posted February 15 a mass shooting is defined as where 4 or more people are shot. not that the all died, or are even seriously injured. it doesn't have to be just one shooter or gun, so if two guys shoot at each other, hit each other and some other people, it's a mass shooting, and so is whatever happened in vegas that produced zero photos or videos (someone really should set up cameras or something in vegas some day). 1
uticaclub Posted February 15 Posted February 15 14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: At least you have the guts to say it. I would encourage you to do a modicum of research about prevailing stereotypes in the depiction of black people in the news and media, a topic which has decades worth of research for your consideration. Or you can take a look at sentencing disparities between blacks and whites. If you're still convinced that the white man can't get a fair shake in America then we can agree to disagree. You’ve never observed court if you are complaining about sentencing disparities.
Jauronimo Posted February 15 Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Certain "stereotypes" about gun violence exist for a reason. Last year, black people made made up roughly 60% of the homicide arrests, despite the fact that about 70% of inner-city murders go unsolved. They are around 12% of the population. If you take away people in that group who are unlikely to kill (women, kids, the elderly), we're talking about roughly 4-5% of the population committing over half the murders. That's an issue that we should be able to discuss without worrying about accusations of racism. Sentencing disparities are explained away by them beimg more likely to have prior convictions, which is the #1 consideration when time is handed down. Every one of the studies I have seen explicitly considers and adjusts for prior offenses. This is a convenient explanation but it doesn't hold water. https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf You will want to refer to the section about Prior Violence as a consideration and the 20% observed disparity in length of sentence. I am well aware of the crime statistics in this country. Are you offering a defense of stereotyping in the coverage of individual events? 4 minutes ago, uticaclub said: You’ve never observed court if you are complaining about sentencing disparities. I don't know what this even means. 13 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I would encourage you to do some research as well. FBI table 43 gives a racial breakdown of crimes each year by race. These stats are from every police agency in the country which are required to submit a UCR (Uniform Crime Report). A rough breakdown is that black men make up just over 6% of the population but commit approximately 55% of violent crimes. Did it. Done it. Do you intend to make a point based on said statistics?
Dancing Fool Posted February 15 Posted February 15 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-police-update/ Two of three involved were juveniles, it is now being reported. As to the meta conversation occurring in this thread... well... I can't imagine any comment I would give would convince anyone to change their preconceived notions so I will just let everyone have fun continuing to share their truth with the world. 1
PayDaBill$ Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) “Kansas City shooting live updates: Police say 'dispute between several people' led to gunfire 3 people, including 2 juveniles, were detained in connection with the shooting near Union Station that left 22 injured, police say.” Dispute🥴……. Typical media. Edited February 15 by PayDaBill$
Jauronimo Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Virtually any disparities can be explained away with simple statistics and explanations. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/no-racism-justice-system You're also living in a dream world if you think black criminals are covered more harshly in the media. The overwhelming majority of interracial violence is committed by black people. Black-on-white murders double white-on-black murders, even though there are 5X as many whites. Which stories get covered ad nauseam and which ones get buried? Let's be real here. It appears things have changed since 1994 as based on the actual study I provided. I didn't see any statistics in that abstract or any access to the actual article or underlying research. I am not familiar with The Public Interest, is it still in circulation? But if the findings from The Public Interest circa 1994 carry more weight with you than the United States Sentencing Commission, then cheers. 1
Beach Posted February 15 Posted February 15 just put a new message at the back of the endzones, that'll fix it 5 4
PayDaBill$ Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Beach said: just put a new message at the back of the endzones, that'll fix it Yup…… NFL PR machine and maybe Rog can get 2 friends to sit next to him for big game photo ops. Edited February 15 by PayDaBill$ 2
Dancing Fool Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Beach said: just put a new message at the back of the endzones, that'll fix it That is not enough! Every player must have messages of love emblazoned on their helmets. NEW ONES. BETTER ONES. 1 3 2
Jauronimo Posted February 15 Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Virtually any disparities can be explained away with simple statistics and explanations. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/no-racism-justice-system You're also living in a dream world if you think black criminals are covered more harshly in the media. The overwhelming majority of interracial violence is committed by black people. Black-on-white murders double white-on-black murders, even though there are 5X as many whites. Which stories get covered ad nauseam and which ones get buried? Let's be real here. The media loves stories of white people committing crimes allegedly motivated by hate. No argument here. I think these stories get more run than they should and sometimes like George Zimmerman, they jump wildly to bogus conclusions. Much of the coverage is irresponsible. I do not think the answer is to do something similarly hasty and irresponsible for people of all races. I agree that I seldom if ever see the hate crime angle discussed when the races are reversed. Seems like the media in this case may not be jumping to wild conclusions to drive narrative which is responsible I would think. Maybe even commendable. Perhaps because the accused are minors and get different protection in media coverage. I watch enough news to see plenty of coverage of black Americans. Outside of the hate crime coverage, I don't see black men getting a pass in the media and there are volumes of research which support that point.
K-9 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 19 minutes ago, Dancing Fool said: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-police-update/ Two of three involved were juveniles, it is now being reported. As to the meta conversation occurring in this thread... well... I can't imagine any comment I would give would convince anyone to change their preconceived notions so I will just let everyone have fun continuing to share their truth with the world. Another reason why responsible, legitimate media outlets need to carefully vet and confirm their law enforcement sources before publishing names and pictures of suspects.
HappyDays Posted February 15 Posted February 15 15 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Black-on-white murders double white-on-black murders, even though there are 5X as many whites. Which stories get covered ad nauseam and which ones get buried? Let's be real here. In my experience the only white on black murders that get covered ad nauseum are when police officers (AKA government officers) murder citizens. Which should be covered extensively. The government murdering its own citizens should be a headline every time it happens and it should appall everybody. 42 minutes ago, julian said: There’s definitely a cultural aspect with the inner city gun crimes in these black communities, people don’t want to say it out loud, but until it’s recognized and addressed I’m afraid the cycle of gun crime in those communities will continue and of course the people effected and hurt the most are the law abiding black citizens in those very communities. Addressed how? There are already gun laws that in theory should make it difficult for violent criminals and juveniles to obtain the weapons used in these crimes. Are you asking for more gun laws?
Heels20X6 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 52 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: At least you have the guts to say it. I would encourage you to do a modicum of research about prevailing stereotypes in the depiction of black people in the news and media, a topic which has decades worth of research for your consideration. Or you can take a look at sentencing disparities between blacks and whites. If you're still convinced that the white man can't get a fair shake in America then we can agree to disagree. It's also especially rich that when the mass shooter is white, the media trips over itself to humanize the shooter, determine "why" he did what he did and have a whole slew of interviews with his neighbours about how he was a nice guy who kept to himself. Meanwhile, if the shooter was brown or looked Muslim... 1 1 1 3
MarkyMannn Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 hour ago, yall said: In a surprise to absolutely no one who is paying attention, it's now being initially reported that the shooters were juveniles who were having a dispute. Yeah NBC News said juveniles. What is that 16 and younger. Geez
Heels20X6 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 48 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Certain "stereotypes" about gun violence exist for a reason. Last year, black people made made up roughly 60% of the homicide arrests, despite the fact that about 70% of inner-city murders go unsolved. They are around 12% of the population. If you take away people in that group who are unlikely to kill (women, kids, the elderly), we're talking about roughly 4-5% of the population committing over half the murders. That's an issue that we should be able to discuss without worrying about accusations of racism. Sentencing disparities are explained away by them beimg more likely to have prior convictions, which is the #1 consideration when time is handed down. But the reason it won't be truly discussed with the racial element attached to it is because no one will be honest as to WHY crime and especially crime amongst black men in inner cities is so high. Because that requires us to look at the institutions/policies/systems that were put in place to bring such levels of abject poverty and lack of opportunity that crime becomes palatable. It's just easier to sit there on a high horse and say "black men are more violent than white men" without any context whatsover. 2 3 2 1 3
Bermuda Triangle Posted February 15 Posted February 15 19 minutes ago, Beach said: just put a new message at the back of the endzones, that'll fix it no...more "thoughts and prayers" will do the trick! 1
GoBills808 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Heels20X6 said: But the reason it won't be truly discussed with the racial element attached to it is because no one will be honest as to WHY crime and especially crime amongst black men in inner cities is so high. Because that requires us to look at the institutions/policies/systems that were put in place to bring such levels of abject poverty and lack of opportunity that crime becomes palatable. It's just easier to sit there on a high horse and say "black men are more violent than white men" without any context whatsover. Get out of here w your nuance and context! I got mine jack now you go get yours 1
yall Posted February 15 Posted February 15 7 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Yeah NBC News said juveniles. What is that 16 and younger. Geez I'm assuming it means under 18 in this context. Although recently people have started grouping 18 year olds in the category of "children" when reporting on certain things like victims of gun violence. 1
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