Bills official offseason Cap moves thread.

[SCBills]

Rasul Douglas could just be talking to talk.. personal life, family, who knows.. but he had posted on X a lot about feeling like he was in flux and/or a weird spot, so reading the tea leaves, this could be contractually. 

[ngbills]

26 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Anyone talking about a new deal for Josh?  He is way underpaid at this point. Mahomes gets his deal redone fairly often.....I expect something for Josh at some point.  

Mahomes had his rookie deal and his new deal. Just like Josh. 

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Anyone talking about a new deal for Josh?  He is way underpaid at this point. Mahomes gets his deal redone fairly often.....I expect something for Josh at some point.  

 

In AAV terms, sure. But in cash terms he is gonna get about $47m this year after the restructure. Next year he will get $49.5m after the next restructure. After that his contract will get re-done because it would be almost certain his cash number would start falling per year after that. 

Edited February 20 by GunnerBill

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

In AAV terms, sure. But in cash terms he is gonna get about $47m this year after the restructure. Next year he will get $49.5m after the next restructure. After that his contract will get re-done because it would be almost certain his cash number would start falling per year after that. 

Funny thing is Josh will get a substantial raise but his cap hits will go way down. This will likely happen after next year.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Funny thing is Josh will get a substantial raise but his cap hits will go way down. This will likely happen after next year.

 

I am not talking about cap hits though, players don't really care about cap hits. That is for GMs and fans to worry about. Players worry about cash. When Allen gets his new deal it will come with a hefty signing bonus which will give him an even bigger payday even though the Bills will account for it over multiple years (as many as possible) to spread it out and lower the hit. 

 

I think Josh will play 2024 and 2025 on the current deal. Summer 2025 is when I expect him to extend. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not talking about cap hits though, players don't really care about cap hits. That is for GMs and fans to worry about. Players worry about cash. When Allen gets his new deal it will come with a hefty signing bonus which will give him an even bigger payday even though the Bills will account for it over multiple years (as many as possible) to spread it out and lower the hit. 

 

I think Josh will play 2024 and 2025 on the current deal. Summer 2025 is when I expect him to extend. 

I think he’ll be a year after Mahomes. They’re talking about doing Mahomes deal this offseason. So we’ll see.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not talking about cap hits though, players don't really care about cap hits. That is for GMs and fans to worry about. Players worry about cash. When Allen gets his new deal it will come with a hefty signing bonus which will give him an even bigger payday even though the Bills will account for it over multiple years (as many as possible) to spread it out and lower the hit. 

 

I think Josh will play 2024 and 2025 on the current deal. Summer 2025 is when I expect him to extend. 

I would think that if you want to win you would care about cap hits especially as a quarterback, unless you’re just a greedy SOB

 

The bills have really shown that they will spend money right up to the ability to do so, and Josh Allen needs help

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not talking about cap hits though, players don't really care about cap hits. That is for GMs and fans to worry about. Players worry about cash. When Allen gets his new deal it will come with a hefty signing bonus which will give him an even bigger payday even though the Bills will account for it over multiple years (as many as possible) to spread it out and lower the hit. 

 

I think Josh will play 2024 and 2025 on the current deal. Summer 2025 is when I expect him to extend. 

 

Happy to see him all over my TV though... i don't think he's going to demand to be the highest paid QB with all of that ad money coming in. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would think that if you want to win you would care about cap hits especially as a quarterback, unless you’re just a greedy SOB

 

The bills have really shown that they will spend money right up to the ability to do so, and Josh Allen needs help

 

Yes, but you don't care about your specific cap number. You care that you are getting paid a good chunk of change every year. If you can do that in a way that helps manage the cap, great. But you don't really fixate on your cap number. That isn't what matters. 

[Matt_In_NH]

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

In AAV terms, sure. But in cash terms he is gonna get about $47m this year after the restructure. Next year he will get $49.5m after the next restructure. After that his contract will get re-done because it would be almost certain his cash number would start falling per year after that. 

Yeah, his agent will talk about AAV and he is correct

48 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Mahomes had his rookie deal and his new deal. Just like Josh. 

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-agrees-to-terms-on-restructured-contract

[ngbills]

37 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-agrees-to-terms-on-restructured-contract

That is a restructure, not a new deal. Allen did a restructure last year as well and will be doing it again this year. 

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not talking about cap hits though, players don't really care about cap hits. That is for GMs and fans to worry about. Players worry about cash. When Allen gets his new deal it will come with a hefty signing bonus which will give him an even bigger payday even though the Bills will account for it over multiple years (as many as possible) to spread it out and lower the hit. 

 

I think Josh will play 2024 and 2025 on the current deal. Summer 2025 is when I expect him to extend. 

Mahomes has been paid $136M in 7 years. That is only $23M more than Allen at this point and one year longer. After year 7 Allen will be close to $150M and pass the cash Mahomes has received through 7 years. 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Mahomes has been paid $136M in 7 years. That is only $23M more than Allen at this point and one year longer. After year 7 Allen will be close to $150M and pass the cash Mahomes has received through 7 years. 

 

 

Exactly this. Josh's AAV is now below market value, no doubt, but as of yet it hasn't hurt him in real terms in terms of pay. It won't really until after 2025. 

 

There is a chance though that if the Bills see Mahomes do a new deal they want to move quickly because if you wait too long after Mahomes the market moves again and suddenly in AAV terms Josh is #1. Which obviously tightens up other things.

52 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Yeah, his agent will talk about AAV and he is correct

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-qb-patrick-mahomes-agrees-to-terms-on-restructured-contract

 

That Mahomes re-do proves my point. It wasn't about AAV. It was about cash. 

[wolfpack78]

I'm expecting this year to be a mini 'reset' year, and Beane is going to have an eye on going all in for 2025.  That said, think he's going to play the comp pick game and let folks like Gabe, Floyd and AJE all depart while bargain hunting in free agency.  We can enter the 2025 offseason in good cap shape (see ya later Von, Tre and Knox), a ton of picks and a lot of game experience from the 2023 and 2024 draft classes.  I think they're going to want to give it all they can for 2025 as the marketing department is cold calling everyone trying to sell PSLs.

Edited February 20 by wolfpack78

[FilthyBeast]

Other teams have begun making cap related moves and it will be interesting to see what domino is the first to fall with the Bills especially if it's not the obvious one with Tre White.

 

 

[CNYfan]

I read that Micah's and Floyd's deals voided yesterday.  

 

Does that mean they are gone?    Or is that an imaginary date?

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

That is a restructure, not a new deal. Allen did a restructure last year as well and will be doing it again this year. 

Allen's restructures are built in and just executed by the team, he may get some money sooner but the overall money is not changing.  That is not the same as with Mahomes.  

5 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I read that Micah's and Floyd's deals voided yesterday.  

 

Does that mean they are gone?    Or is that an imaginary date?

 

It really does not change much, their contracts were up and they are free agents.  During FA, they can sign with any team, including the Bills.  I expect Hyde to retire and Floyd has said he wants money.

Edited February 20 by Matt_In_NH

[ngbills]

20 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Allen's restructures are built in and just executed by the team, he may get some money sooner but the overall money is not changing.  That is not the same as with Mahomes.  

 

I dont think that is right unless I missed something. Mahomes signed a 10 year / $450M deal. All they did was move up a bunch of the money to 2023-2026 not give him a new deal. Its the same $450M. 

[noacls]

Don't understand why people want to get rid of Knox. Is he overpaid? Yes, but if you add years and lower AAV he is a above average all around TE. 

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Allen's restructures are built in and just executed by the team, he may get some money sooner but the overall money is not changing.  That is not the same as with Mahomes.  

 

 

 

Correct but it didn't change his AAV. It was moving money around within the life of the long contract. And the reason they did it was CASH. Mahomes wasn't saying "My AAV is down to 8th highest among QBs I want a new deal" he was saying "hang on guys you are not putting enough money in my pockets over the middle section of this deal you need to move some money up" which is what the Chiefs did. It is the opposite to the restructures with Josh which are about moving money back to create cap space. Mahomes was asking them to move money forward to improve his real terms cash position over the next 3 years. 

 

And that is why I don't see Josh agitating yet. Because his cash position is still pretty strong for the next two years. After that his cash position weakens and that is when the Bills likely need to re-visit that deal.