Old Coot Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Interesting analysis of the play in which KC scored its winning TD. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/anatomy-of-a-play-how-the-chiefs-won-super-bowl-lviii-with-tom-and-jerry/ar-BB1iampP The play originally was called "Corndog" and later "Tom & Jerry" KC scored 2 TDs in a previous Super Bowl win and the winning TD on Sunday with the play concept. If you look at the links to the three plays in the above link here's what you see: The WR who eventually gets the ball starts from the outside of a bunch. Here moves laterally to ward the center of the formation for about three steps and then does a quick 180 degree turn and moves laterally in the opposite direction to until he gets to the bunch at which point the ball is hiked. Kelsey (who is in the bunch) takes his man inside or up into the end zone. The man in motion runs to the flat and is wide open. An excellent example of Reid scheming a guy open. This is an interesting concept and one that the Bills should incorporate in their Red Zone offense. Quote
Thrivefourfive Posted February 14 Posted February 14 A peewee coach should be able to scheme a guy open. Know idea why the Bills are always accepting that Josh Allen has to be super man to score a touchdown. 2 10 1 2 Quote
jkeerie Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Actually that play came from Bienemy after the Bills used a similar scheme vs the Chiefs. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/chiefs-eric-bieniemy-corn-dog-shuttle-super-bowl-57/lhs2ksl34ih7cji9oe1z3yc9 Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Actually that play came from Bienemy after the Bills used a similar scheme vs the Chiefs. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/chiefs-eric-bieniemy-corn-dog-shuttle-super-bowl-57/lhs2ksl34ih7cji9oe1z3yc9 It's good to see we're helping out where we can. 1 10 1 Quote
jkeerie Posted February 14 Posted February 14 16 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: It's good to see we're helping out where we can. The point is the Bills have creative plays. They have worked for the Bills. The Bills are constantly discredited by fans on this board beyond what they should be. 2 1 1 Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, jkeerie said: The point is the Bills have creative plays. They have worked for the Bills. The Bills are constantly discredited by fans on this board beyond what they should be. I get it and I agree. My comment wasn't to be snarky at you. It would be nice to see the Bills beat other teams and not themselves. That's what it comes down to most losses, mistakes, miscues, missed opportunities, drops and so on. So it's kinda a bummer to see that a play that Buffalo used against KC, KC uses it and wins games. Just a hint of irony I guess. 2 Quote
Old Coot Posted February 14 Author Posted February 14 33 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Actually that play came from Bienemy after the Bills used a similar scheme vs the Chiefs. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/chiefs-eric-bieniemy-corn-dog-shuttle-super-bowl-57/lhs2ksl34ih7cji9oe1z3yc9 Interesting. The NFL is indeed a copycat league. 1 1 Quote
jkeerie Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, Goin Breakdown said: I get it and I agree. My comment wasn't to be snarky at you. It would be nice to see the Bills beat other teams and not themselves. That's what it comes down to most losses, mistakes, miscues, missed opportunities, drops and so on. So it's kinda a bummer to see that a play that Buffalo used against KC, KC uses it and wins games. Just a hint of irony I guess. Totally agree. The Bills hurt themselves more times than not. 1 Quote
BringBackFergy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Fire McDermott!! Fire Brady!! Fire Pegula!! 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, jkeerie said: The point is the Bills have creative plays. They have worked for the Bills. The Bills are constantly discredited by fans on this board beyond what they should be. They used a version of that concept for the Harty touchdown vs the Giants this year too. In fact it was one of Dorsey's favourite redzone calls early in the year. Josh missed a layup with one and Harty slipped over making the cut back outside on another. But then finally against the Giants they nailed it. Edited February 14 by GunnerBill 2 1 Quote
The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, jkeerie said: The point is the Bills have creative plays. They have worked for the Bills. The Bills are constantly discredited by fans on this board beyond what they should be. 2nd most wins in the league since 2020. I don’t give a ***** I’m super proud of that. 1 2 Quote
Simon Posted February 14 Posted February 14 If you see the play again, Kelce's reaction is interesting. He knows they got the matchup and that it's a TD before Mahomes even throws the ball. He never even turns around to see the Super Bowl winning play, just watches the result on the screen and starts celebrating with his back to the play. 2 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: A peewee coach should be able to scheme a guy open. Know idea why the Bills are always accepting that Josh Allen has to be super man to score a touchdown. We don't scheme anything for anyone. Quote
Brand J Posted February 14 Posted February 14 It’s the same motion Brady called that got Khalil Shakir a crucial first down - on 4th down - against the Chiefs. 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 14 Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Brand J said: It’s the same motion Brady called that got Khalil Shakir a crucial first down - on 4th down - against the Chiefs. Same concept. Kincaid cleared out. 359 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UzerC7LC8 1 Quote
Brand J Posted February 14 Posted February 14 55 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Same concept. Kincaid cleared out. 359 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UzerC7LC8 Man, rewatching that last two minutes, there were plenty of opportunities to send the Chiefs home and prevent their back to back titles. Game of inches, whether it’s a foot that gets stepped on, a missed read, a throw just off the mark, we had our chances like always. 1 Quote
ganesh Posted February 14 Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: A peewee coach should be able to scheme a guy open. Know idea why the Bills are always accepting that Josh Allen has to be super man to score a touchdown. It is all about execution, Our WRs have not executed well 2 Quote
Brand J Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, ganesh said: It is all about execution, Our WRs have not executed well And like all QBs Josh has missed some wide open players. It isn’t “everybody else but Allen” like I’ve seen on this board. 1 Quote
Old Coot Posted February 14 Author Posted February 14 The thing that makes the back and forth motion effective is that the motion man is ofren "hidden" behind the bunch or in the case of Shakir he's hidden behind Josh when he makes his turn so the man cover loses Shakir in the crowd. That and the bunch receivers are in a position to get in the way of the man or zone cover man. 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Go to 2:43. Not identical but is this scheming a guy open? This was Dorsey. Quote
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