So Spencer Brown what say you?

[st pete gogolak]

I’ll put it this way.  If RT was a priority going into 2023, it’s not anymore.  I’m a fan and hope he sticks around.

[BuffaloBillyG]

I think he's an average starter and has the possibility of getting better. Stronger in the run game than pass blocking. If he's open to an average starter paycheck...sign him.

 

Long term my issue with him isn't his play, however I would need to see another year or so of being free from back issues to really invest in him. Backs are one of the more tricky injuries for guys of his size.

[CNYfan]

Competition

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

We were ready to run him out on a rail, but then his name stopped getting called which is a good thing for an offensive lineman

 

Did we find our right tackle?

Yes we did Aaron Kromor has done a great job with this oline and I hope Spencer gets his extension soon. Lock em up baby!

[dollars 2 donuts]

42 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

 

 

Gugny...

 

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...I can't even...I'm just laughing at my desk.

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

Spencer Brown and Bernard are 2 guys most of of the armchair GM crowd were completely wrong about.

 

I think he's long term answer at RT but still want to see another full season. The sneakier move this offseason is looking for an upgrade/replacement for Morse at center and finding our own Creed Humprey type (who also ultimately replaced Morse after he left KC and they had mixed results with other players)

[Virgil]

Am I wrong for being annoyed with the guys who only seem to figure it out in the final year of their rookie deal?  

[Billl]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think he's an average starter and has the possibility of getting better. Stronger in the run game than pass blocking. If he's open to an average starter paycheck...sign him.

 

Long term my issue with him isn't his play, however I would need to see another year or so of being free from back issues to really invest in him. Backs are one of the more tricky injuries for guys of his size.

Exactly.  Back injuries to linemen are huge red flags.  Extending players who had been mediocre every year prior to finally playing well is another.  If he's willing to take a very reasonable contract, go for it.  I wouldn't break the bank for him, though.  His upside is a solid RT.  His floor is what he's been every year before this past one.

 

Beane's biggest strength has been his ability to find capable players in the mid to late rounds.  Tell him to do it again and save your cap space for stars.

[somnus00]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

 

So, Spencer Brown, WOULD SAY YOU!?

I read it as, "So Spencer Brown would say, 'you?'"

[ExiledInIllinois]

11 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Am I wrong for being annoyed with the guys who only seem to figure it out in the final year of their rookie deal?  

No. You'd do the same too. 😉😜

 

It's called: "Having business sense."

[julian]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

True enough, if he were to be signed to an extension now it certainly will be cheaper than waiting. He does appear to have gotten over his injured back and improved his play noticeably. But we all know that there will be a cohort here that will start whimpering immediately upon the contract being signed…, 

Yeah there will always be those who prefer to be on the safer side of risk vs reward but like someone had stated in the past… if you start listening to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with the fans.

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Am I wrong for being annoyed with the guys who only seem to figure it out in the final year of their rookie deal?  

He has one more year.

 

Either way the guy has his spot for now, but you should always look for ways to improve there and I wouldn't hat having competition or someone developing if nothing else.

Edited February 13 by Warcodered

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

He improved a ton throughout the course of the season and I think he was thrown into the starting lineup too early after his recovery from back surgery.  I think we still need to draft an OT as some point considering Tommy Doyle can't seem to stay healthy.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

Seems to be but my question is why does the title of this thread make no sense?

I think it was supposed to be Spencer Brown - What Say You?  

 

Missed by a bit.  

[Prospector]

I say would too you! 

[Fr. Jerk]

He'd say I'm never on schedule, but always on time, ya dig?

[Shaw66]

42 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Am I wrong for being annoyed with the guys who only seem to figure it out in the final year of their rookie deal?  

No, you aren't wrong.   It's because of the complexity of the systems McDermott wants to run. 

 

Most rookies contribute very little their rookie season.  The best of them show great improvement in year two - Bernard and Cook.  For many others, it's year three - Brown.

[John from Riverside]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

No, you aren't wrong.   It's because of the complexity of the systems McDermott wants to run. 

 

Most rookies contribute very little their rookie season.  The best of them show great improvement in year two - Bernard and Cook.  For many others, it's year three - Brown.

Changes are gonna have to be made because we’re gonna need guys to start sooner younger

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Changes are gonna have to be made because we’re gonna need guys to start sooner younger

I think that's true, but I think that's part of the plan, the process.  There have already been exceptions - Benford and Shakir are good examples.  In fact, I think in the later rounds the Bills go for guys with the brains and commitment necessary to get acclimated quickly.  The first couple of rounds are for physical talent, and those are the guys who make take longer to get up to speed. 

 

But in any case, I think you're right.   This coming season, more so than the past, the Bills are expecting some young players to step up.  I think they have high hopes for Williams.   I expect the Bills to go after a receiver early on, and I expect it will be someone they intend to count on as the 2024 season rolls along, a guy who makes a bigger impact as a rookie than Shakir.  I also expect Bills will be looking a D lineman to contribute early.   The Bills also need a good young corner.  

 

Having said that, I don't expect as much turnover as some others around here.   If the Bills did nothing but brought in someone to be a solid #2 receiver, with some speed and route running talent, I'd be OK with that.  Diggs, New Guy, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook - I'm good.  Oline is set, although I would be surprised to see the Bills bring in someone who could challenge the existing lineup.   There will be some changes in the D line, but the Bills don't need to clean house.  Linebackers are set.   The defensive backfield will have some changes, but there will be a lot of familiar faces.  

Just now, Shaw66 said:

I think that's true, but I think that's part of the plan, the process.  There have already been exceptions - Benford and Shakir are good examples.  In fact, I think in the later rounds the Bills go for guys with the brains and commitment necessary to get acclimated quickly.  The first couple of rounds are for physical talent, and those are the guys who make take longer to get up to speed. 

 

But in any case, I think you're right.   This coming season, more so than the past, the Bills are expecting some young players to step up.  I think they have high hopes for Williams.   I expect the Bills to go after a receiver early on, and I expect it will be someone they intend to count on as the 2024 season rolls along, a guy who makes a bigger impact as a rookie than Shakir.  I also expect Bills will be looking a D lineman to contribute early.   The Bills also need a good young corner.  

 

Having said that, I don't expect as much turnover as some others around here.   If the Bills did nothing but brought in someone to be a solid #2 receiver, with some speed and route running talent, I'd be OK with that.  Diggs, New Guy, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, Cook - I'm good.  Oline is set, although I would be surprised to see the Bills bring in someone who could challenge the existing lineup.   There will be some changes in the D line, but the Bills don't need to clean house.  Linebackers are set.   The defensive backfield will have some changes, but there will be a lot of familiar faces.  

I should add that getting first and second year players to contribute is part of the process.  McDermott explained it when he joined the team.  The collective IQ that the team develops over time has to be taught to the rookies quickly, so they can get up to speed.  McDermott's plan has always been to get to where he is right now - having a high-performing team that can continue to succeed even as good veterans leave the team.  It's not like he just realized last week that he needs some young bloods - he and Beane have been planning for this for a couple of years.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Exactly.  Back injuries to linemen are huge red flags.  Extending players who had been mediocre every year prior to finally playing well is another.  If he's willing to take a very reasonable contract, go for it.  I wouldn't break the bank for him, though.  His upside is a solid RT.  His floor is what he's been every year before this past one.

 

Beane's biggest strength has been his ability to find capable players in the mid to late rounds.  Tell him to do it again and save your cap space for stars.

 

On the bright side, maybe the back issues help him remain somewhat affordable?  🤷‍♂️

 

We will have the best feel for how he really is physically. I hope he remains healthy, regardless of where he plays. Bad backs (and feet) for big guys can be rough.