McD’s fingerprints on draft choices

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

I love how McDermott gets blame on everything bad lol. Give me a break, those are beanes picks 

McD puts Beane in a full-nelson on draft day and makes him take a 1T DT in the first round

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s a group effort. Beane said a few years ago McDermott trusted management more.

 

McDermott was king early on but the last few years Beane has been given more trust. I still think what McDermott wants he gets. Take Bernard for example, he was 100% a McDermott pick. Tre White as well. His best friend coached them and McDermott trusts that guy with his life.

 

I think McDermott’s fingerprints are on everything. It’s really his show here in Buffalo. 

 

Beane wasn't here during the tre white draft.  That was whaley's scouting with mcd probably getting final say so.  4 of the 6 picks were senior bowl players he likely met and interacted with in person. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Definitely his pick did u see how giddy he was after that selection? 

 

Joe Schoen was the big Boogie Basham booster. No surprise he traded for him with the Giants. He LOVED the kid that year. 

[WIDE LEFT]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Are you guaranteeing that these 3rd round WR picks would have been successful?

Are we really a ground and pound philosophy?  I ask because Josh Allen has had the 3rd most passing attempts since 2019, the first year of the 3 RB's drafted in early rounds and that includes all the games that we blew out teams early and stopped throwing the ball or Allen is sitting in the 4th.  We are a very, very pass happy team.

 

 https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round

The above is from 9 years ago but the numbers have not changed much.

"The third round has the second highest number of receivers drafted with 52 but only a 25% success rate."

 

 

 

 

Nobody, not even NFL people who do this for a living, can guarantee anything about the draft. But it’s a SECOND round pick ( two 2nds if u count Basham)  and the two thirds where if WR were picked, a strong possibility that one of them could be that difference maker. Pass happy team yes, we should be since we have one of the most talented QBs ever. We have had our most success that way. My point is Allen needs weapons. You don’t acquire those type of weapons by wasting high choices on RBs. You don’t need to, they are easy to find. Johnson for example. The main point is you are wasting Allens talents by not providing him sufficient ammunition, you know like the receivers Tua and Burrow have. A lot of NFL analysts, from Chris Simms to Greg Cosell have commented on the lack of talent on Bills offense. But that’s easy to explain when look at how the Bills have drafted

[NastyNateSoldiers]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Joe Schoen was the big Boogie Basham booster. No surprise he traded for him with the Giants. He LOVED the kid that year. 

Yeah but we all seen Mcd happy as can be after that pick so he stamped it for him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said:

Nobody, not even NFL people who do this for a living, can guarantee anything about the draft. But it’s a SECOND round pick ( two 2nds if u count Basham)  and the two thirds where if WR were picked, a strong possibility that one of them could be that difference maker. Pass happy team yes, we should be since we have one of the most talented QBs ever. We have had our most success that way. My point is Allen needs weapons. You don’t acquire those type of weapons by wasting high choices on RBs. You don’t need to, they are easy to find. Johnson for example. The main point is you are wasting Allens talents by not providing him sufficient ammunition, you know like the receivers Tua and Burrow have. A lot of NFL analysts, from Chris Simms to Greg Cosell have commented on the lack of talent on Bills offense. But that’s easy to explain when look at how the Bills have drafted

 

James Cook did provide very good production as a 2nd round pick RB.  

Yes, we should be a pass happy team because of Allen but I still don't understand why you are calling us ground and pound.  We are pass happy and we have a finesse RB...we couldn't be any further from ground and pound.

 

I agree that I would like to have more WR for Allen.  But these past 2 Super Bowls have shown us you can win without WR's like what Tua and Burrow have.

Mahomes has won the last 2 Super Bowls with a worse set of WR's than Allen has.

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

James Cook did provide very good production as a 2nd round pick RB.  

Yes, we should be a pass happy team because of Allen but I still don't understand why you are calling us ground and pound.  We are pass happy and we have a finesse RB...we couldn't be any further from ground and pound.

 

I agree that I would like to have more WR for Allen.  But these past 2 Super Bowls have shown us you can win without WR's like what Tua and Burrow have.

Mahomes has won the last 2 Super Bowls with a worse set of WR's than Allen has.

Mahomes won this year because he has Spags, a great secondary and Chris Jones.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Mahomes won this year because he has Spags, a great secondary and Chris Jones.

 

Okay so does this prove that you have to have elite/very good WR options to win a Super Bowl?

Or does this mean if the Bills go Corner/Safety/DL in the 1st round this year, it's a good pick?

[OldTimer1960]

Seems to me that the two Super Bowl teams both play strong defense. Yes, Bills need at least 1 more strong receiving option, but would you say that KC’s receiving group is great?  
 

The Bills, like every other team, have missed on a few high picks.  But, I think we are too quick to judge the young players.  I was guilty of writing off Terrel Bernard and he played great.

[Chuck Schick]

Hand-wringing over a handful of draft busts over the last 4 or 5 years is a waste of time.  It happens - and will continue to happen- to even the best of the best. 
if the busts were ridiculous reaches at the time (Maybin, EJ Manuel, etc) you’d have a leg to stand on, but they weren’t. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said:

 

The offense should be better than good. It has a superstar QB. Yes if they picked other offensive positions besides RB ( like, maybe wide receivers) the view would be different. Taking 3 RBs in early rounds is a defensive coaches philosophy, since a ground and pound offense protects your defense.

They are one of the top 3 offenses since 2020. So they are better than good.

36 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Beane wasn't here during the tre white draft.  That was whaley's scouting with mcd probably getting final say so.  4 of the 6 picks were senior bowl players he likely met and interacted with in person. 

Yes I know. I mentioned Tre because like Bernard they were coached by McDermott’s good friend Dave Aranda. McDermott even said after they drafted Bernard that when Aranda speaks, he listens. It’s clear McDermott has his fingerprints all over the draft. 

Edited February 13 by Buffalo_Stampede

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They are one of the top 3 offenses since 2020. So they are better than good.

Yup and in our playoff game we scored the 2nd most points against KC this past season, only Green Bay with 27 scored more.

[starrymessenger]

20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Okay so does this prove that you have to have elite/very good WR options to win a Super Bowl?

Or does this mean if the Bills go Corner/Safety/DL in the 1st round this year, it's a good pick?

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl without much in the way of weapons.

A first round D selection could be a good pick. Depends on the evaluation and ultimately the player.

Having said that I think the Bills go WR in the first and they will add another later in the draft or in FA (Mooney?).

i would agree with that if indeed that's the direction they go in. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Hate to break it to the McD haters, but *every* HC has their fingerprints on draft picks. 

[Logic]

It's gonna be a long offseason.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl without much in the way of weapons.

A first round D selection could be a good pick. Depends on the evaluation and ultimately the player.

Having said that I think the Bills go WR in the first and they will add another later in the draft or in FA (Mooney?).

i would agree with that if indeed that's the direction they go in. 

 

Exactly.  There isn't one specific recipe to win.

 

We have had a good enough roster to win a Super Bowl since 2020.  I say that because the best roster doesn't always win.  Countless times that's proven.

Its the team that executes in a big moment, doesn't shoot themselves in the foot and has a little luck along the way.  

We just haven't put all that together yet.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Exactly.  There isn't one specific recipe to win.

 

We have had a good enough roster to win a Super Bowl since 2020.  I say that because the best roster doesn't always win.  Countless times that's proven.

Its the team that executes in a big moment, doesn't shoot themselves in the foot and has a little luck along the way.  

We just haven't put all that together yet.

We lost to KC this year because our D was severely compromised by injury, we were missing our best elements and others were well below 100%. Had we been healthy I think we would have beaten the Chiefs. 
I still want 2 WRs. Good ones that are scheme fits. I want to see if Josh can take his passing game to the next level. If he can we are probably only a bruising short yardage RB away from having a monster O (assuming we sign Johnson, which I expect we will).

[Toyo321]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

McD puts Beane in a full-nelson on draft day and makes him take a 1T DT in the first round

 

Nah.... we just need to knock McD the heck out of the drafting room for this entire draft !!!

 

 

Edited February 13 by Toyo321

[Heitz]

If I were the owner I'd leave the football decisions up the to the football people, unless I think I don't like what they're doing, then I'd dictate to the football people what they should be doing and what their job is.  

 

 

[FilthyBeast]

7 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said:

If I was Pegula I would put strict limitations on McD’s role in drafting players & signing free agents. I will give McD a pass on his decision not to draft Mahomes (which Pegula wanted to do). But draft decisions since then reflect a defensive minded bent, and have negatively impacted Alllen’s career. In an era where you can get a quality RB anywhere, we used (wasted)  two third round picks and one second round pick on running backs, two of whom no longer play for Bills. Imagine if those three picks had been used on wide receivers. It’s a good bet that at least one of those WRs would have developed into that field stretching quality threat that Allen so desperately needs. Bills O faced man to man coverages more than any other team in the league - our WRs can’t separate consistently.

 

Then there’s the recent draft where TWO defensive ends were taken in rounds 1 and 2. Huge free agent signing -Miller - defense. And DB Elam with a round one pick. So running backs (to ensure a strong ground game) and multiple picks and signings of defensive assets. A defensive coach’s dream!! But that’s not NFL 2024. Even with all these assets being devoted to defense, it’s been the defense which has repeatedly failed in the playoffs. Stop wasting Allen’s career, give him the weapons he needs and deserves, and let’s go outscore everybody. Step one, keep McD’s role in talent acquisition to a bare minimum. He has earned that

 

I'm pretty sure most fans agree with this, but who expects that to honestly change? If McDivisional can still have a job after trading Mahomes to the guy that fired him during his very first draft here, why wouldn't he still wield serious influence on all draft and FA decisions?

 

The sad reality is after watching the Chiefs defense carry them to another championship this year and teams like the Ravens and 49ers also play them down to the wire because of their respective strength on that side of the ball, I can almost guarantee that this draft (and what FA money is going to be there) is going to be defense heavy yet again especially since that's where most of the expected roster turnover is coming from.