Mango Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I like McD. I think his career will land him in the Hall of Very Good even if he doesn't lift the Lombardi as HC. That said, if Shanahan becomes available you hand him a blank check. SF moving on would be so dumb. Shanahan has brought that team to the last 4 Conference Championships. His SB loses are to the greatest HC/QB combo's the league has ever seen in Brady/Bill and Mahomes/Reid. He is more or less the 3rd best HC in the league. 2nd now that Bill is gone. Quote
Nihilarian Posted February 13 Posted February 13 55 minutes ago, Gregg said: Bill's defense also played a part in those Super Bowls. Like the 13-3 win over the Rams. Was it the whopping 13 points they put up or Bill's D shutting the door and holding them to 3 points. Or even the 20-17 win against the Rams in the Pats first Super Bowl win. How about the INT at the end the Super Bowl against the Seahawks that preserved the win. How about making in game adjustments against the Falcons when they fell behind 28-3 only to shut them out the rest of the way so the Pats could come back and win in OT 34-28. Brady was a huge part of the dynasty but so was Bill. Hey, I agree that the Patriot's defense was a big big reason as to why they won so many SBs. Especially early in Brady's career. Now look at the guy lately as no teams wanted to hire ole Bill as an HC. The Falcons owner stated that they didn't discuss anything other than him being the HC and still passed on him. Age might have something to do with it. The Patriot's last two seasons were 8-9 and this past year 4-13 Plus, ole Bill told the NE owner that Brady was done and he went. T off to win another SB with Tampa. There was a real reason that no teams wanted to hire the guy. I know sure as hell I wouldn't want to see an HC that hired an ex-DC to be his OC for the next Buffalo HC. Whatever magic the man had is long gone. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Hey, I agree that the Patriot's defense was a big big reason as to why they won so many SBs. Especially early in Brady's career. Now look at the guy lately as no teams wanted to hire ole Bill as an HC. The Falcons owner stated that they didn't discuss anything other than him being the HC and still passed on him. Age might have something to do with it. The Patriot's last two seasons were 8-9 and this past year 4-13 Plus, ole Bill told the NE owner that Brady was done and he went. T off to win another SB with Tampa. There was a real reason that no teams wanted to hire the guy. I know sure as hell I wouldn't want to see an HC that hired an ex-DC to be his OC for the next Buffalo HC. Whatever magic the man had is long gone. In his defense going from Brady to Jones is a huge drop-off at the most important position. No coach could overcome that. 1 Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Swap the two teams divisions and leave everything else untouched the Bills have been to multiple Superbowls and the 9ers haven't made any. Bingo. 49ers would be in tough with this division. I feel like Shanahan would probably win a SB here because Allen has the authority to change at the line. And Allen can probably overcome more coaching mistakes than a Purdy. If the team were going all in for one year, I'd want Belichick. But he will be 73 by 2025. Quote
Nihilarian Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, Gregg said: In his defense going from Brady to Jones is a huge drop-off at the most important position. No coach could overcome that. That's not the reason. In his first season under OC Josh McDaniels, QB Mac Jones got them to the playoffs. 10-7 Then the very next season OC McDaniels went to the Raiders and ole Bill has an ex-DC as an OC. Wow, just wow. That move probably ruined Mac Jones forever. Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Bingo. 49ers would be in tough with this division. I feel like Shanahan would probably win a SB here because Allen has the authority to change at the line. And Allen can probably overcome more coaching mistakes than a Purdy. If the team were going all in for one year, I'd want Belichick. But he will be 73 by 2025. When you play for Kyle Shanahan you don't have the authority to change plays at the line beyond the very strict set rules. You paint by the numbers he draws or he dumps you and gets someone who will. In Kyle Shanahan's offense the Quarterback is an extension of Kyle's brain. That is how it has to work. It is non-negotiable. 1 1 Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: When you play for Kyle Shanahan you don't have the authority to change plays at the line beyond the very strict set rules. You paint by the numbers he draws or he dumps you and gets someone who will. In Kyle Shanahan's offense the Quarterback is an extension of Kyle's brain. That is how it has to work. It is non-negotiable. Then I don't think Shanahan/Allen would work. Maybe that's why he didn't go after Brady in 2020 either Elite QB's aren't going to continously go with meh playcalls. 1 Quote
NoSaint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Swap the two teams divisions and leave everything else untouched the Bills have been to multiple Superbowls and the 9ers haven't made any. because we beat the chiefs in the Super Bowl but not in the divisional round? Quote
DJB Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Of course I realise that. Our problem is largely we can't get past Mahomes. Kyle Shanahan has the same problem just two rounds later. Look at his QB man . Allen would be unfair in the Shanny system Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, FireChans said: He was great. He wasn’t perfect. His performance was legendary in a loss. Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, NoSaint said: because we beat the chiefs in the Super Bowl but not in the divisional round? I didn't say that. 9 minutes ago, DJB said: Look at his QB man . Allen would be unfair in the Shanny system If you have Josh Allen you don't have all the pieces. 1 1 Quote
DJB Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I didn't say that. If you have Josh Allen you don't have all the pieces. We currently have a solid oline and still arguably a top 10 WR in Diggs. Kincaid likely takes a step and hopefully Cooks does as well. Add in potentially a first round WR and yeah we have tons of offensive pieces for Shanny to use . Allen would be cheat code in his system. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, DJB said: We currently have a solid oline and still arguably a top 10 WR in Diggs. Kincaid likely takes a step and hopefully Cooks does as well. Add in potentially a first round WR and yeah we have tons of offensive pieces for Shanny to use . Allen would be cheat code in his system. I don't think Josh in the Shanny scheme is the slam dunk everyone thinks. He hates ad libbing and Josh loves playing out of structure. 1 Quote
DJB Posted February 13 Posted February 13 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think Josh in the Shanny scheme is the slam dunk everyone thinks. He hates ad libbing and Josh loves playing out of structure. No QB can ever play with structure 100% of the time. Josh usually only ad libs whenever the line breaks down. We saw Purdy do it on Sunday We all know your distain for Shanny but you are grasping at straws here . Quote
NoSaint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I didn't say that. If you have Josh Allen you don't have all the pieces. touche- you did say made to, and I read too fast Edited February 13 by NoSaint 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, DJB said: No QB can ever play with structure 100% of the time. Josh usually only ad libs whenever the line breaks down. We saw Purdy do it on Sunday We all know your distain for Shanny but you are grasping at straws here . I don't have any disdain for Shanahan. I have called him possibly the greatest offensive play designer of all time. He is the best Quarterback hider in football. He needs less at that position to win than any other coach. He was one of the guys I wanted here in 2015 but he screwed up the interview. I just think there is a level of cognitive dissonance that goes on when you discuss him.and his success from people who only look at that. I a) don't think Josh in his scheme is the slam dunk some do; b) think he makes at least as many (probably more) poor in game decisions as McDermott has in the playoffs; c) also hasn't managed to get past Mahomes and KC. So some of the extrapolations people are making are reaches. 1 2 Quote
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I hope not…I don’t need another coach that wets his pants when the spotlight is on. 1 Quote
Bills Bud Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Nope. Hire Belichick next year Edited February 13 by Bills Bud Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Kyle Shannahan has been to 4 NFC championship games. Has beaten a MVP Rodgers twice , Cousins, Dak , Goff & a young gun in Love . Mcd has beaten in the playoffs Rudolph the red nosed reindeer Skyler Want to go home Thompson Lamar IS IT STILL THE REGULAR SEASON JACKSON! Phillip Can't DeRivers! Wow Mcd your the man! Please nobody ever compare Shanny to Mcd! At least Shanny been to Superbowls to be critiqued for What's to disagree about here @GunnerBill? Quote
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