The 9 Isles Posted February 13 Posted February 13 All speculation but an interesting angle if both McDermott and Shanahan leave their respective teams after next season. Quote Chiefs coach Andy Reid got a fresh start, albeit after 14 seasons with the Eagles. Shanahan already has seven years with the 49ers, and he has lost two Super Bowls. At what point will it be in his best interests, and/or the team’s best interests, to have a reboot? https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/will-kyle-shanahan-eventually-need-a-fresh-start 2 2 Quote
Gigs Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I mean, Elway didn't win a superbowl until he got Shanahan 1.0 3 Quote
BBFL Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Listen man, if they cut ties with McDermott I’d like to say no to Shanny personally. If you’re going with a guy because of the success they’ve had in this league you go after the dark emperor if his year off makes him want to return to the league… I think Kyle is a good coach but that team is in a huge hole and lacking resources because of his requests to Lynch for acquisitions. They built a team for the past 3 years after their SB failure and never managed to get back until now. 2/3 years from now if the wheels start coming off and they can’t retain key players then is when Kyle Shannahan becomes available. To build a perennial contender, or dynasty in some cases, you keep your best assets of the future which is draft picks while trying not to splash of every shiny toy that is made available. Edited February 13 by BBFL 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Not while the Pegulas are our owners. Shanahan tanked his interview here in 2015 when they hired Rex. They hated him. 1 1 1 Quote
4merper4mer Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Not while the Pegulas are our owners. Shanahan tanked his interview here in 2015 when they hired Rex. They hated him. Perhaps because the douche bag apple never fell very far from the douche bag tree. 1 6 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Lets fire the guy that does not get it done for the guy that does not get it done. 7 2 2 3 Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, BBFL said: Listen man, if they cut ties with McDermott I’d like to say no to Shanny personally. If you’re going with a guy because of the success they’ve had in this league you go after the dark emperor if his year off makes him want to return to the league… I think Kyle is a good coach but that team is in a huge hole and lacking resources because of his requests to Lynch for acquisitions. They built a team for the past 3 years after their SB failure and never managed to get back until now. 2/3 years from now if the wheels start coming off and they can’t retain key players then is when Kyle Shannahan becomes available. To build a perennial contender, or dynasty in some cases, you keep your best assets of the future which is draft picks while trying not to splash of every shiny toy that is made available. I'll take the Dark Emperor or Shanny Jr. We know Belichek has the formula for winning titles and he'll have his franchise QB in Josh . Shanny Jr would also be amazing considering he's never had a QB in the realm of Josh Allen and it would be crazy to see what he can cook up with v this offense. Either one would be a massive upgrade over McClappy! 6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Lets fire the guy that does not get it done for the guy that does not get it done. At least the other guy that doesn't get it done doesn't have a all world QB and has gone to 2 Superbowls without one. 3 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 19 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: At least the other guy that doesn't get it done doesn't have a all world QB and has gone to 2 Superbowls without one. Swap the two teams divisions and leave everything else untouched the Bills have been to multiple Superbowls and the 9ers haven't made any. 2 4 5 4 2 Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Swap the two teams divisions and leave everything else untouched the Bills have been to multiple Superbowls and the 9ers haven't made any. Maybe maybe not. What's been proven is Kyle has taken 2 average at best QBs to the Superbowl. U can't play the what if game with that. Kyle is too me a heck of a lot better coach then Mcd is or ever will be. 3 3 2 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I'll take the Dark Emperor or Shanny Jr. We know Belichek has the formula for winning titles and he'll have his franchise QB in Josh . Shanny Jr would also be amazing considering he's never had a QB in the realm of Josh Allen and it would be crazy to see what he can cook up with v this offense. Either one would be a massive upgrade over McClappy! At least the other guy that doesn't get it done doesn't have a all world QB and has gone to 2 Superbowls without one. Fair point about the QB but at the same time will he bring McCaffrey, Bosa, Samuel, Kittle, and many other blue chip players with him? Their roster is better than the Bills outside of QB IMO. Also my opinion: Neither will be moving on so its a moot point but I will say if Shanahan was available I would consider it, just dont see it happening. There is only one thing for this team to accomplish and whoever comes here will be "fired" by many in the fan base unless they accomplish that thing. Edited February 13 by Matt_In_NH 1 Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Gunner do u realize the Bills last 3 wins in the playoffs were against Rudolph, Thompson and Mac Jones? Mof who has Mcd beaten ? Rivers playing in last game which btw we almost lost that game and Lamar the regular season Champ of QBs ? Mcd ain't promised nothing in any conference when he struggles to beat the Thompson's and Old man Rivers of the world. 3 1 1 1 Quote
John from Riverside Posted February 13 Posted February 13 McDermott the coach for this year I’m not really looking past that right now 1 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Gunner do u realize the Bills last 3 wins in the playoffs were against Rudolph, Thompson and Mac Jones? Mof who has Mcd beaten ? Rivers playing in last game which btw we almost lost that game and Lamar the regular season Champ of QBs ? Mcd ain't promised nothing in any conference when he struggles to beat the Thompson's and Old man Rivers of the world. Reid struggle to beat the Bills....I know that is snarky and does not matter because Reid wins SB's but my point is that they are not getting their doors blown off. SO its true the Bills had close games they won...the point is they count. THey also have close games against one of the best dynasties in the history of the league.....in that case close does not count right? You cant have it both ways either close is not good or all that matters is if you win. NFL playoffs are single elimination and a play here or there is the difference vs the Chiefs. The Bills with McDermott can beat that team. Edited February 13 by Matt_In_NH 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Gunner do u realize the Bills last 3 wins in the playoffs were against Rudolph, Thompson and Mac Jones? Mof who has Mcd beaten ? Rivers playing in last game which btw we almost lost that game and Lamar the regular season Champ of QBs ? Mcd ain't promised nothing in any conference when he struggles to beat the Thompson's and Old man Rivers of the world. Of course I realise that. Our problem is largely we can't get past Mahomes. Kyle Shanahan has the same problem just two rounds later. 2 2 1 1 Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Fair point about the QB but at the same time will he bring McCaffrey, Bosa, Samuel, Kittle, and many other blue chip players with him? Their roster is better than the Bills outside of QB IMO. Also my opinion: Neither will be moving on so its a mute point but I will say if Shanahan was available I would consider it, just dont see it happening. There is only one thing for this team to accomplish and whoever comes here will be "fired" by many in the fan base unless they accomplish that thing. I don't think he'll be available as well but while we're discussing it. I wouldn't mind seeing what Shanny can do with Diggs, Skakir, Kincaid as well as Knox and Cook . Ntm Josh Fn Allen !. Shanny has to take some credit for those weapons that the 49ers have because he was there when they basically added all those talents. So he would definitely add some more firepower to ours. 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Of course I realise that. Our problem is largely we can't get past Mahomes. Kyle Shanahan has the same problem just two rounds later. Your missing the point he doesn't have a Josh Allen. Man it's basically a miracle what he's done with Purdy not many coaches can pull that off. 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Your missing the point he doesn't have a Josh Allen. Man it's basically a miracle what he's done with Purdy not many coaches can pull that off. I am not missing anything. Kyle is a great offensive mind. He might be the best offensive schemer of all time. But he has blown double digit leads in three Superbowls now with baffling play calling and is without doubt benefitting from being in the weaker conference. He is a good coach who hasn't yet found a way to win a Lombardi. So is Sean McDermott. 4 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 So we’re going to get rid of one guy who can’t get it done to bring in another guy who can’t get it done? Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am not missing anything. Kyle is a great offensive mind. He might be the best offensive schemer of all time. But he has blown double digit leads in three Superbowls now with baffling play calling and is without doubt benefitting from being in the weaker conference. He is a good coach who hasn't yet found a way to win a Lombardi. So is Sean McDermott. There not the same not at all. Kyle has actually beaten really good teams in the playoffs unlike McClappy. Stop trying to paint them with the same brush. I don't care what conference there in. Didn't Cinny go into KC and beat them? Didn't The DC Lou Amurilo shut the Chiefs down in the 2nd half and overtime of that game? Do u believe Cinny is some juggernaut defense that's more talented then the Bills? What makes u think the Bills would've beaten the Rams or even Detroit this yr? Why because Mcd is a frontrunner that's had the fortune of beating nobody's and has beens in his time here in the playoffs . Lamar Jackson was Mcd shinning moment as a Bills coach to bad he shares that moment with other teams like Tennessee or the Chargers because they beat Lamar in the playoffs as well. 1 1 1 1 1 Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 13 Posted February 13 IF this were to come to pass, then of course. Cannot think of many better pairings than Shanahan and Allen. 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Makes perfect sense to fire McDermott because he can’t beat Reid and Mahomes only to hire another coach that can’t beat Reid and Mahomes. 1 1 1 Quote
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