Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

21 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:

In whatever place these freakozoid athletes get to mentally, Allen has no choice but to get there with them. Jordan has it, Tiger has it, Nicklaus had it, Brady and Montana had it. I’m sure Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio had it. Recently, all three Tennis greats have it. 
 

It’s all upstairs. There are ways we can tell that a great one has the instinct for winning championships. It’s how they talk, what they say, what they believe is happening, and how they lead the situation to reach the top — total belief in yourself to be the reason your team wins championships. 
 

Athletes are insanely confident individuals. Even proven competent pros think they’re the very best at what they do, when they’re clearly not, usually because of physical limitations. 
 

Allen has the physical talent to be in the historical sports best-of-the-best group, so he’ll have to find that mental place that gets him there. His, focus, concentration, and determination needs improvement. 

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m wondering what your background in clinical psychology is

[Ya Digg?]

2 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I just hope Allen can do ONE TIME what Mahomes has done practically every single time he’s in a playoff game, especially a Super Bowl - Win. Have the Bills ever won a playoff game in Allen’s era being a dog, home or away? Serious question.

 

There was a serious moment there in KC in 2022 that Allen did all he could. Played like a true winner. But…. Haven’t had that opportunity again, has he. That could realistically be his only shot to get one against that guy. The uber great, like Mahomes, are great because they don’t give up too many opportunities to get beat. 
 

So in Allen’s achieving moment (a loss) Mahomes gets a FG with 13 secs left, and throws the game winning TD in OT. Mahomes didn’t exactly ***** the bed huh. He kind of ripped the hearts out of the entire city of Buffalo.

 

Not sure how many examples are needed to finally admit Mahomes is special special, and Allen is just special? I really don’t know. And unless one argues that Mahomes is just more physically gifted that Allen… well then, the mental disparity is even greater, which is where I stand. It’s Mahomes, then it’s Allen, then it’s everyone else. All the other factors like coaching, Kelce, players who drop (which really is hilarious considering the Chiefs lead the league in dropped passes).. fire away. But Allen is the guy that has to beat Mahomes, probably with another head coach (different conversation) and right now the gap between winning and losing against him is widening. 
 

ONLY BRADY (2x) and BURROW HAVE BEATEN MAHOMES IN THE PLAYOFFS. He’s 15-3! And we think Josh has it in him despite never doing it. Nice argument. 
 

Anyone think Mahomes has it easy with where he is and what he’s doing? I don’t. KC is a circus. 
 

Mahomes is other worldly mentally, and Josh isn’t.

But here’s where your thinking is flawed. Josh doesn’t play against Mahomes. So you wrote a very long, thought out statement but ignored the most obvious part 

[SaulGoodman]

19 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

But here’s where your thinking is flawed. Josh doesn’t play against Mahomes. So you wrote a very long, thought out statement but ignored the most obvious part 

Allen has played against the weaker defense every year until this one. 

[Dr.Sack]

Beane needs to draft a lot better to give us the best chance to win. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

19 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Allen is 2x as mentally tough as Mahomes. 

We all saw Mahomes true nature after the Kadarius Toney incident trying to go after a ref. He is every bit worse than Tom Brady and just as unlikeable. Meanwhile, Josh Allen loses w/ dignity and is a great person on & off the field. One of my favorite clips… 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Butger hits that kick.   Allen has been let down by th staff in 13 seconds and Bass missing a kick.  I know the bills are dogs to win by hitting that fg.  Allen also walked off the field numerous times with the lead this year only for  the defense to lose the game.  Allen can improve in some areas but he is NOT the problem.  

[Bob Jones]

17 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The only way you are going to beat the Chiefs and Mahomes in a postseason game is either in a blowout like the TB/Brady superbowl (not realistically ever happening again) or you ensure you  have the ball in your hand on the final drive of the game when trailing or tied like Mahomes did the other night against the 49ers. This is also how Brady and the Pats did in 2018 and Bengals in 2021 before the playoff OT rule changes handing them their only other playoff losses during this run.

What? No. The Bengals intercepted a Mahomes pass in OT and took it back the other way, got into FG range, and kicked the OT winner. They had lost the OT coin toss, and KC could have won it with a TD (like they did the previous game vs the Bills). You could say that their defense really won that game for them.

[Shaw66]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:26 PM, Thrivefourfive said:

In whatever place these freakozoid athletes get to mentally, Allen has no choice but to get there with them. Jordan has it, Tiger has it, Nicklaus had it, Brady and Montana had it. I’m sure Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio had it. Recently, all three Tennis greats have it. 
 

It’s all upstairs. There are ways we can tell that a great one has the instinct for winning championships. It’s how they talk, what they say, what they believe is happening, and how they lead the situation to reach the top — total belief in yourself to be the reason your team wins championships. 
 

Athletes are insanely confident individuals. Even proven competent pros think they’re the very best at what they do, when they’re clearly not, usually because of physical limitations. 
 

Allen has the physical talent to be in the historical sports best-of-the-best group, so he’ll have to find that mental place that gets him there. His, focus, concentration, and determination needs improvement. 

I don't know what this means, exactly, but it's exactly correct.  

 

Mahomes has an approach to the game that is superior to Allen's, and it's something that Allen still needs to develop to be an all-time great.  I'll mention a few things.

 

When Mahomes comes on the field late, with the game on the line, he has an attitude that we all can feel.   First and foremost, it is a total absence of fear.  Everything about him says he expects to win.  And his look says, "I know we're going to win."   It's more that it says, "I know what I need to do at this moment.  I'm going to do what I need to do."

 

Allen is getting there.  Earlier in his career, sometimes you could see the fear in his eyes.  Late this season, it wasn't there.  He was in charge, and confident about what he was doing.  Still, he isn't so much in charge that you can feel his presence and his confidence.  Some of it comes from having completely mastered the offense, from understanding every nuance of what needs to be done on every play.  

 

The importance of that attitude that others can see is that it affects his teammates on the field.  The other players all admire the QB, because the QB knows so much and executes under fire.  When the QB executes like Mahomes and is in charge like Mahomes, the players' attitude goes beyond admiration.  Maybe it's trust.   The other players trust Mahomes to get them into the right play, to execute the right play, and the other players know exactly what he expects of them.  So, Patrick seems to raise the level of play of the whole offense.  

 

Josh has all the tools.  Josh's punishing physical style already has won him the admiration of his teammates.  They love him for that, and they'll follow him anywhere.  However, he needs to show the mental power, the mastery of the game.  He has to execute with discipline, something that Mahomes is great at.   Patrick just never seems to make the wrong throw.   His judgment is excellent.   Josh is still growing into that.  

 

I know others in this thread have said, "Josh is great and he's not the reason the Bills haven't won," and I get that idea.   However, the supremely good quarterbacks raise the level of all the players around them.   We're seeing Mahomes, and we saw Brady.  Peyton had it, too.   I don't think Rodgers had it, and I think Allen currently is like Rodgers.  Rodgers has amazing talent, and sometimes his amazing talent wins games for his team.  But Rodgers didn't have his team behind him in the same way that Mahomes and Brady do/did.  Rodgers demands that his teammates follow him; Mahomes brings his teammates along with him. 

 

Allen's teammates love him and all that, but when they're on the field with him, they don't execute for him the way the Chiefs execute.  It's as though they're waiting for Allen to do it, whereas Mahomes gets his teammates to help him do it.  

 

Obviously, there's no data to support any of this, but it feels real to me.  One of my strongest reactions to the Super Bowl was that I was hoping that Allen was watching Mahomes, because Allen has to do what Mahomes does.  Physically, he doesn't need much of anything, but mentally he needs to have truly mastered the offense, the plays, the strategy, the situation, all of that, AND his has to project an attitude to the players that says, "I've got this; not just physically.  I've got ALL of this."

[Buffalo03]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:26 PM, Thrivefourfive said:

In whatever place these freakozoid athletes get to mentally, Allen has no choice but to get there with them. Jordan has it, Tiger has it, Nicklaus had it, Brady and Montana had it. I’m sure Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio had it. Recently, all three Tennis greats have it. 
 

It’s all upstairs. There are ways we can tell that a great one has the instinct for winning championships. It’s how they talk, what they say, what they believe is happening, and how they lead the situation to reach the top — total belief in yourself to be the reason your team wins championships. 
 

Athletes are insanely confident individuals. Even proven competent pros think they’re the very best at what they do, when they’re clearly not, usually because of physical limitations. 
 

Allen has the physical talent to be in the historical sports best-of-the-best group, so he’ll have to find that mental place that gets him there. His, focus, concentration, and determination needs improvement. 

These posts get dumber and dumber by the day. Congratulations, you are the winner today. What's the headline gonna be for the next dumb poster tomorrow? "Allen is a poodle, Mahomes is a Rottweiler. Allen needs to be a Rottweiler". I can't wait to read it

Edited February 14 by Buffalo03

[26TrapDraw]

On 2/12/2024 at 8:30 PM, John from Riverside said:

Statistically, Josh Allen outplayed Mahomes on that day but we still lost

 

Why?

 

Because the bills will be ready to win a Super Bowl whenever the players around Josh Allen make plays when it matters

 

It really is a simple as that

Sorry John I Disagree. The Bills will win the superbowl when Josh makes plays when it matters. You know like Patrick Does and his 3 superbowl rings. At the end of the Bills chiefs game a few weeks ago Josh made poor decisions. Like it or not it is why he watched Mahomes win a ring from his couch.

Edited February 14 by 26TrapDraw

[Heels20X6]

19 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know what this means, exactly, but it's exactly correct.  

 

Mahomes has an approach to the game that is superior to Allen's, and it's something that Allen still needs to develop to be an all-time great.  I'll mention a few things.

 

When Mahomes comes on the field late, with the game on the line, he has an attitude that we all can feel.   First and foremost, it is a total absence of fear.  Everything about him says he expects to win.  And his look says, "I know we're going to win."   It's more that it says, "I know what I need to do at this moment.  I'm going to do what I need to do."

 

Allen is getting there.  Earlier in his career, sometimes you could see the fear in his eyes.  Late this season, it wasn't there.  He was in charge, and confident about what he was doing.  Still, he isn't so much in charge that you can feel his presence and his confidence.  Some of it comes from having completely mastered the offense, from understanding every nuance of what needs to be done on every play.  

 

The importance of that attitude that others can see is that it affects his teammates on the field.  The other players all admire the QB, because the QB knows so much and executes under fire.  When the QB executes like Mahomes and is in charge like Mahomes, the players' attitude goes beyond admiration.  Maybe it's trust.   The other players trust Mahomes to get them into the right play, to execute the right play, and the other players know exactly what he expects of them.  So, Patrick seems to raise the level of play of the whole offense.  

 

Josh has all the tools.  Josh's punishing physical style already has won him the admiration of his teammates.  They love him for that, and they'll follow him anywhere.  However, he needs to show the mental power, the mastery of the game.  He has to execute with discipline, something that Mahomes is great at.   Patrick just never seems to make the wrong throw.   His judgment is excellent.   Josh is still growing into that.  

 

I know others in this thread have said, "Josh is great and he's not the reason the Bills haven't won," and I get that idea.   However, the supremely good quarterbacks raise the level of all the players around them.   We're seeing Mahomes, and we saw Brady.  Peyton had it, too.   I don't think Rodgers had it, and I think Allen currently is like Rodgers.  Rodgers has amazing talent, and sometimes his amazing talent wins games for his team.  But Rodgers didn't have his team behind him in the same way that Mahomes and Brady do/did.  Rodgers demands that his teammates follow him; Mahomes brings his teammates along with him. 

 

Allen's teammates love him and all that, but when they're on the field with him, they don't execute for him the way the Chiefs execute.  It's as though they're waiting for Allen to do it, whereas Mahomes gets his teammates to help him do it.  

 

Obviously, there's no data to support any of this, but it feels real to me.  One of my strongest reactions to the Super Bowl was that I was hoping that Allen was watching Mahomes, because Allen has to do what Mahomes does.  Physically, he doesn't need much of anything, but mentally he needs to have truly mastered the offense, the plays, the strategy, the situation, all of that, AND his has to project an attitude to the players that says, "I've got this; not just physically.  I've got ALL of this."

 

A lot of words to end with "SOURCE: I pulled this all out of me arse."

9 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

Sorry John I Disagree. The Bills will win the superbowl when Josh makes plays when it matters. You know like Patrick Does and his 3 superbowl rings. At the end of the Bills chiefs play Josh made poor decisions. Like it or not it is why he watched Mahomes win a ring from his couch.

What poor play did he make in the 13 seconds game?  Did he tell them to pick "heads" on the coin toss in OT?

 

A lot of you folks really need to let go of this belief that Mahomes is otherwordly and some sort of Mental God over Josh.   The only difference in terms of talent and skillset is that one has the greatest offensive coach of our generation calling his plays and his players always make plays for him, they don't drop sure touchdowns in the playoffs, shank kicks to the left, or inexplicably let a team march into field goal position after not squibing a kick in under 10 seconds.

Edited February 14 by Heels20X6

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

 

A lot of words to end with "SOURCE: I pulled this all out of me arse."

 

For sure.  In fact, I said as much in my post.  It's what I see.  

 

That doesn't mean it's wrong.  Or right.  

 

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

 

A lot of words to end with "SOURCE: I pulled this all out of me arse."

What poor play did he make in the 13 seconds game?  Did he tell them to pick "heads" on the coin toss in OT?

 

A lot of you folks really need to let go of this belief that Mahomes is otherwordly and some sort of Mental God over Josh.   The only difference in terms of talent and skillset is that one has the greatest offensive coach of our generation calling his plays and his players always make plays for him, they don't drop sure touchdowns in the playoffs, shank kicks to the left, or inexplicably let a team march into field goal position after not squibing a kick in under 10 seconds.

 

The Chiefs defense also steps up in big spots. Like the INT he threw to start the 2nd half. The Chiefs defense didn't allow SF to do anything on offense. Allen isn't the reason the Bills can't win a Super Bowl. Its coaching and the supporting cast around him. To many are no-shows in the big games.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

less of these will help his mental game, for sure. 

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

12 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said:

 

A lot of words to end with "SOURCE: I pulled this all out of me arse."

What poor play did he make in the 13 seconds game?  Did he tell them to pick "heads" on the coin toss in OT?

 

A lot of you folks really need to let go of this belief that Mahomes is otherwordly and some sort of Mental God over Josh.   The only difference in terms of talent and skillset is that one has the greatest offensive coach of our generation calling his plays and his players always make plays for him, they don't drop sure touchdowns in the playoffs, shank kicks to the left, or inexplicably let a team march into field goal position after not squibing a kick in under 10 seconds.

13 seconds wasn’t Josh’s fault. I will however say that Mahomes didn’t care who his receivers were this year. He made plays when he had to win. Not dumbass mistakes like Josh makes in sone critical situations. That’s the difference with the two. We know Josh is more talented and athletically gifted. It’s what’s between his ears that needs to change/develop.

[ganesh]

On 2/13/2024 at 10:00 AM, John from Riverside said:

Statistically, Josh Allen outplayed Mahomes on that day but we still lost

 

Why?

 

Because the bills will be ready to win a Super Bowl whenever the players around Josh Allen make plays when it matters

 

It really is a simple as that

including Josh Allen. 

[msw2112]

3 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

13 seconds wasn’t Josh’s fault. I will however say that Mahomes didn’t care who his receivers were this year. He made plays when he had to win. Not dumbass mistakes like Josh makes in sone critical situations. That’s the difference with the two. We know Josh is more talented and athletically gifted. It’s what’s between his ears that needs to change/develop.

 

I agree that 13 seconds was not Allen's fault.  But despite the boneheaded coaching decisions made by the Bills helping him out, Mahomes properly read what the defense was giving him and got his team into FG range to tie that game in 13 seconds.  It showed a mastery of the game that few have.  Allen was off-the-charts incredible in that game and if he had the benefit of a possession in OT, I'm confident the Bills would have scored.  But that's another story.  Mahomes' mastery of the game in crunch-time situations is second to none (since Brady's retirement).  That doesn't mean that Mahomes is a 10 to Allen's 2 or 3.  Allen is a 9 1/2.  Mahomes is not a "Mental God" over Josh.  They don't play against each other, as they are not on the field at the same time.  That said, Mahomes has displayed a mastery of the situation in crunch time, particularly in the playoffs, that Allen has not yet shown.  Allen needs to work on the decision making part of his game and if he improves there, he'll be as good, and quite possibly better than Mahomes.

Edited February 14 by msw2112

[The 9 Isles]

It’s not Mahomes it’s KC and the way that team is structured. 
 

Offensive genius as HC that isn’t going anywhere and his system is stable and will not need to be changed due to a coordinator being poached. 
 

DC that is in firm control and has been in place since 2019 and has just been extended and won’t be going anywhere. 
 

A GM that has masterfully created a roster to complement the HC and the QB year after year even with salary cap constraints. 
 

Mahomes is great but he would not have the same level of success without the supporting cast of not only players but coaches and executives they have amassed there. 
 

I believe Allen would thrive on that team but I think Mahomes would have a much harder time succeeding with Buffalo the way JA has.
 

Not to say he wouldn’t be great but I think it would be a bigger challenge considering his style of play vs Allen’s. 
 

Josh can be Mahomes but not so sure Mahomes could be Allen. 
 

Just my thoughts. 

[Sundo91]

This is a horrible take and represents somebody who doesn't watch the games, and only listens to all the moronic talking heads after the fact. Is JA perfect? Absolutely not. Does JA make the occasional blunder. Absolutely. Is JA the reason the Bills can't beat the Chiefs in the playoffs? Not even F@ck!ng close. 

[Mark Vader]

Josh Allen needs to turn into a Scanner and make Mahomes' head explode.