What is your unpopular Bills opinion?

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, boyst said:

This is where I struggle. Tarkenton is my go to. I never saw him play beyond highlights and lore. He was a very good QB that made the HOF but I could not consider him better than Favre, Brees, Rodgers, etc because on paper how can I compare someone i never saw in a game 50 years ago to a game I barely remember in the late 80s and Steve Young. 

 

It just opens a can of beans for the whole thing.

 

Brees 100% is among the best 20 QBs in the modern 25 year era. Beyond that it's too much debate and effort to say who is where beyond the Montana, Manning, Brady debate. 

Oh yea, you stretch far enough back and it’s barely comparing the same game/same position, right?

 

what’s the best car of all time, the Tesla or the model t? Sure they are both cars, and can be compared to others in their era but it almost feels silly to rank them against each other 

[GASabresIUFan]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Now that’s unpopular!

I know.  People here keep saying trade up to get X receiver or trade everything to get y receiver.  Sadly that is a sure way to fail this off-season given we are 50 million over the cap and have 22 UFAs.

 

Given the depth at WR & S in this draft and our desperate need for young, cost-controlled, defensive talent at safety, DT, and Edge, getting a 4th top 100 pick by trading down 3-7 slots from 28 will go a long way toward filling those holes while getting us the WR we need to replace Davis.  

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=gb

 

When looking at this chart the 28th pick is worth 660 "points."  Sliding down to say 35 or 36 will net us an additional late 3rd rd pick.  If the team is desperate enough we could get a pick in the mid 80's instead of 90's.  A perfect partner for us could be Ari who has 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90.  I'd trade 28 (and 201 or 205 if necessary) for 35 & 90.

Edited February 15 by GASabresIUFan

[section122]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Brees has a very pass friendly offense on a team that put almost all of their efforts into offense. Great WRs, good TEs, and useful RBs. That helped a lot.

 

Where is testeverde on your list?

Firmly behind Rich gannon and all those guys we both listed.  I never thought Testaverde was very good.  He's way down my list.  We haven't even mentioned kelly Moon Cunningham and Im sure more.

 

Now that we've been talking about it, I think it would be interesting to try and put together my top 20....

[Maynard]

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I know.  People here keep saying trade up to get X receiver or trade everything to get y receiver.  Sadly that is a sure way to fail this off-season given we are 50 million over the cap and have 22 UFAs.

 

Given the depth at WR & S, in this draft and our desperate need for young, cost-controlled, defensive talent at safety, DT, and Edge, getting a 4th top 100 pick by trading down 3-7 slots from 28 will go a long way toward filling those holes while getting us the WR we need to replace Davis.  

 

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=gb

 

When looking at this chart the 28th pick is worth 660 "points."  Sliding down to say 35 or 36 will net us an additional late 3rd rd pick.  If the team is desperate enough we could get a pick in the mid 80's instead of 90's.  A perfect partner for us could be Ari who has 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90.  I'd trade 28 (and 201 or 205 if necessary) for 35 & 90.

Has Beane ever traded down?

I love the idea. I dont care about the fifth year option.  Allen's window to win a SB may be closed 5 years from now. 

Trade down get a cheaper just as good of a player in the second round and an extra player in the third round. 

Love it. Two WR, Edge, and S or OT in top three rounds

 

 

[Talley56]

While I do believe Josh is great and he has the ability to lead us to the promised land in the future, I believe he deserves just as much blame for this year's divisional playoff loss as the rest of the team.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:59 PM, BigDingus said:

 

I'd sooner believe Tom Brady will come out of retirement to play RB for the Jets next year... 

My unpopular opinion:

 

Josh Allen IS a turnover machine... He's just good enough to make up for it. 

Except he doesn’t turn the ball over in the playoffs. 21:4 TD to pick ratio is pretty solid!
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/josh-allen-playoff-stats

 

Unpopular opinion: Morse needs to go now. I know we skated by in 2023, but he’s a health liability both for himself and the team if he’s our starting C again in 2024. 

[GASabresIUFan]

9 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Has Beane ever traded down?

I love the idea. I dont care about the fifth year option.  Allen's window to win a SB may be closed 5 years from now. 

Trade down get a cheaper just as good of a player in the second round and an extra player in the third round. 

Love it. Two WR, Edge, and S or OT in top three rounds

 

 

No not in the 1st, but last year he traded down 3 times to get extra draft capital in the draft after moving up a few slots to get Kincaid in the first.

[JTown]

On 2/13/2024 at 9:38 AM, Patrick Fitzryan said:

We're about 18 months away from hearing rumors that Allen wants a fresh start and is "open" to being traded.

Hmmmm....

McClappy  should get a couple defensive picks from that trade. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

No not in the 1st, but last year he traded down 3 times to get extra draft capital in the draft after moving up a few slots to get Kincaid in the first.

Yeah those were good moves. I truly don't think any player 5th round or later is any better than an UDFA. I like the idea of trading out of those spots and picking up extra picks the following year. 

Trading out of the first round though is all about getting 4 guys in the top 100 instead of 3.

[gtw3]

McDermott is a great leader of men and head coach.  Beane is a top 5 GM in the league.  Each post-season, it just comes down to health and a few bounces to determine who wins it all.

 

And lastly,  Our time will come.

 

 

[Another Fan]

The ambulance with Bills Mafia written on it that comes on the field looks kinda tacky 

 

[Shortchaz]

Bills should get rid of every defensive player over 25 and every offensive player over 27 this offseason.

[GASabresIUFan]

22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I truly don't think any player 5th round or later is any better than an UDFA.

The Bills draft history says otherwise.  I agree with you generally on 6th rd or later and that is reflected on the draft chart I linked earlier.

 

However, Beane and Watney had a pretty good 5th track record.  Since 2017, the Bills have drafted Milano, Neal, Wyatt Teller (all-pro G Beane let go way too early), Doyle, Shakir, and Shorter.  Shorter and Doyle are still unknowns, but getting Milano, Teller, and Shakir is pretty amazing. 

 

They have done pretty well in the 6th and 7th.  McCloud, Dane Jackson, Bass, Hodgins, Spector, and Benford are all 6th or 7th-round picks.  Benford is the real gem, but McCloud and Jackson have very solid careers, and Spector shows some good promise. 

 

Honestly, given our cap and depth issues, I want as many lottery tickets in this draft as possible.

Edited February 15 by GASabresIUFan

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Except he doesn’t turn the ball over in the playoffs. 21:4 TD to pick ratio is pretty solid!
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/josh-allen-playoff-stats

 

Unpopular opinion: Morse needs to go now. I know we skated by in 2023, but he’s a health liability both for himself and the team if he’s our starting C again in 2024. 

I assume you are talking about concussions.  I assume you feel the same with taron Johnson?  He has had the same number.  
 

I am not the least bit concerned with his health.    He is fine and has been very heathy and played most games.  However they should consider moving on for cap purposes.  Bates is still in the roster 

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Has Beane ever traded down?

I love the idea. I dont care about the fifth year option.  Allen's window to win a SB may be closed 5 years from now. 

Trade down get a cheaper just as good of a player in the second round and an extra player in the third round. 

Love it. Two WR, Edge, and S or OT in top three rounds

 

 

 

Traded down twice before he picked James Cook in the 2nd too. Think that is it. End of the 2nd in 2022 and then day 3 trade backs last year. 

 

The 2022 trade backs he pretty nuch admitted they had no second round grades left so were into a bunch of guys at the top of their 3rd round board.

 

Last year I don't know, but I suspect, they had emptied their entire board out so every time someone called they said yes and if nobody called they were picking guys they'd marked up as potential priority free agents. I have said before (though I don't know this it is just a feeling based on how they operate and how they have drafted) that they are one of the teams working with a smaller draft board. Not Belichickian 80 to 90 players maybe but certainly not far into three figures. 

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, boyst said:

Spent the day thinking of this...so this continues unposted.

 

Tomlin comes to mind for what he has done. Not as much weighted for what he could do. The same is true for Belichick and Carrol.  That's 3 off the bat

 

McVay, Reid, LeFleuer, Taylor, Campbell. All obvious. That's 8 total.

 

 

I don't think Taylor is a better coach than McDermott. Nor do I think it is obvious that Dan Campbell is. He has done an excellent job turning around the Lions. McDermott did an excellent job turning around the Bills. But the next step is to turn that into winning. 

 

I know the answer will come back "but McDermott has Josh Allen!" yes.... but he keeps losing to Patrick Mahomes. I'll repeat again if McDermott was losing to bums in the playoffs it would be a different matter. I'd be where a lot of you guys are. To be honest if he had lost x3 in the playoffs to Joe Burrow and Zac Tayor and x1 to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid I'd be there too. But he keeps losing to a dynasty and a QB who is going to be in the GOAT conversation. Our last 4 games against Kansas City have gone down to the final drive and we are 2-2. Sadly they have won the two that mattered most. McDermott is to blame for 13 seconds. There is no question there and some can't get past that, which I understand, but don't agree with. Otherwise I think we just have to keep banging on the door and one of those tight playoff meetings will go our way. 

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Taylor is a better coach than McDermott. Nor do I think it is obvious that Dan Campbell is. He has done an excellent job turning around the Lions. McDermott did an excellent job turning around the Bills. But the next step is to turn that into winning. 

 

I know the answer will come back "but McDermott has Josh Allen!" yes.... but he keeps losing to Patrick Mahomes. I'll repeat again if McDermott was losing to bums in the playoffs it would be a different matter. I'd be where a lot of you guys are. To be honest if he had lost x3 in the playoffs to Joe Burrow and Zac Tayor and x1 to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid I'd be there too. But he keeps losing to a dynasty and a QB who is going to be in the GOAT conversation. Our last 4 games against Kansas City have gone down to the final drive and we are 2-2. Sadly they have won the two that mattered most. McDermott is to blame for 13 seconds. There is no question there and some can't get past that, which I understand, but don't agree with. Otherwise I think we just have to keep banging on the door and one of those tight playoff meetings will go our way. 

Gunner, you know that I think the world of you. You are one of the most knowledgeable and best posters on this board. I rarely disagree with you but this particular topic we don’t see the same way at all.
 

You use Taylor as an example of someone that you don’t think is better. You excuse McDermott because it is the Mahomes-led Chiefs that he can’t beat in the big moments. Taylor has beaten them there with LESS talent/qb play. He also came into Buffalo, in the big game, and did the schooled McDermott. Make it make sense…

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Gunner, you know that I think the world of you. You are one of the most knowledgeable and best posters on this board. I rarely disagree with you but this particular topic we don’t see the same way at all.
 

You use Taylor as an example of someone that you don’t think is better. You excuse McDermott because it is the Mahomes-led Chiefs that he can’t beat in the big moments. Taylor has beaten them there with LESS talent/qb play. He also came into Buffalo, in the big game, and did the schooled McDermott. Make it make sense…

 

The 2022 playoff game here I totally throw out. I don't think he schooled McDermott. I just think the Bills did not turn up at all. I don't think Vince Lombardi as Head Coach with Belichick as DC and Walsh as OC would have won that game for the Bills that day. The players just looked done to my eye. They played with zero energy the whole game and Josh Allen looked like a zombie. I throw that out. It wasn't a coaching loss. It was a total team loss. It was over from the first drives on each side. It is the only game the Bills have lost by more than a single score since November 2021. 

 

Sure Taylor had a great win in KC in a playoff game. I don't take that away from him at all. But that was a game that went to overtime that came down to a play here and a play there and went the Bengals way. I see Taylor coach poorly way too often in regular season games. Their own fans will tell you he isn't that much cop as a playcaller and basically gets bailed out by having Joe Burrow, Ja'marr Chase and Tee Higgins. I don't think the Bills are incapable of beating the Chiefs in the playoffs. We have beaten the Chiefs twice in the last two years where it has been a play here or a play there that has gone our way. In the post-season those plays have gone their way. I don't think that is a reflection of coaching (with the 13 second exception). The Bills this year were right were they needed to be in that game despite all their injuries on defense and just couldn't finish. 

 

If people want to take the "he should have been fired after 13 seconds" position I understand it, don't agree, but understand. If he'd have missed the playoffs this season I'd have fired him - that is fireable in my book when you have Josh Allen. But losing by a field goal to Mahomes and Reid in the playoffs isn't fireable and certainly isn't a reflection on who he is as a coach. If he starts losing playoff games where he has a clear Quarterback advantage I'll start calling for him to be fired, I assure you. If he starts missing the playoffs, likewise. Equally if it gets back to "actually we are getting blown out by Mahomes" then fine, move on. But losing a game that could have gone either way and where we were right there... no. That doesn't tell me we have the wrong coach. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Taylor is a better coach than McDermott. Nor do I think it is obvious that Dan Campbell is. He has done an excellent job turning around the Lions. McDermott did an excellent job turning around the Bills. But the next step is to turn that into winning. 

 

I know the answer will come back "but McDermott has Josh Allen!" yes.... but he keeps losing to Patrick Mahomes. I'll repeat again if McDermott was losing to bums in the playoffs it would be a different matter. I'd be where a lot of you guys are. To be honest if he had lost x3 in the playoffs to Joe Burrow and Zac Tayor and x1 to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid I'd be there too. But he keeps losing to a dynasty and a QB who is going to be in the GOAT conversation. Our last 4 games against Kansas City have gone down to the final drive and we are 2-2. Sadly they have won the two that mattered most. McDermott is to blame for 13 seconds. There is no question there and some can't get past that, which I understand, but don't agree with. Otherwise I think we just have to keep banging on the door and one of those tight playoff meetings will go our way. 

I have to give it to Taylor as better because he has succeeded against McDermott when it matters most and beaten the Cheifs with Reid, Spagnola, and Bienemy. 

 

I think Campbell has done as much as McDermott with lesser talent but only by slightly. The Lions 2023 roster on offense was pretty stacked but the Bills 2020 and 2021 roster was just as stacked. Campbell reminds me of McDermott by failing when it matters but I give respect to him for having the guts to go for it