What is your unpopular Bills opinion?

[Bills!Win!]

The bills will be better in 2024. Micah Hyde was a weakness in run defense 

Edited February 14 by Bills!Win!

[GASabresIUFan]

The Bills trade out of the 1st round to get an extra pick in the 3rd round.

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Rodgers performed as well as Allen has in the playoffs exactly once, and it was the year he won a Super Bowl with freaking Mike McCarthy. That is what generational playoff QB play should get you. Not a couple of divisional round exits.

 

Many people in this discussion still underrate how good Allen has been in the playoffs. Most notably the 2021-2022 season playoffs and this year's. That sort of sustained elite play in the playoffs is incredibly rare. Rodgers has done it once in a 20 year career. Allen has done it twice in a 6 year career. Both times he has a divisional round exit to show for it. If that sort of elite QB play isn't enough to even get past the divisional round, everybody above him should 100% be fired. Because we aren't going to get better than that.

 

And this is the part where someone will say "well the QB on the other side was Mahomes!!" But Mahomes himself didn't sustain that play in the playoffs except against the Bills. In 2022 he laid a clunker against the Bengals in the AFCCG. Last year he was good, not elite, in the AFCCG. This year he followed up his victory over us with two games where he led his offense to a combined 3 points in two of the four halfs. It is ONLY against the McDermott coached Bills where the Chiefs have managed to overcome an elite QB performance on the other side.

 

Like imagine if Allen led our offense to 3 points or 0 points in any half of any playoff game that we played. Against any opponent it would be a loss. Against a good opponent it would be a blowout loss. Our coach can't even come close to beating a good playoff opponent unless Allen delivers an elite performance, and even then it isn't enough. And I'm really truly sick of it.

 

So here's my unpopular opinion - Allen has been the best performing QB in the playoffs from the 2021 season to this year. McDermott has been the worst performing head coach in the playoffs over that same time frame. Mahomes has been marginally less elite than Allen in the playoffs over that time but Reid + Spagnuolo have been several tiers above McDermott and that's why we can't beat them

Rodgers didn’t have to face either Brady or Mahomes that playoff run. 
 

Rodgers actually never had a playoff run where he wasn’t the CLEAR AND AWAY best QB in his conference. 
 

and he won one SB.

Thats coaching malpractice lol.

32 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I mean some of this is just crazy 😂😂😂. Payton won a Super Bowl and was THE WORST CALL OF ALL-TIME from a 2nd. Tomlin has 1. Pederson has 1. Stefanski and Bowles have both succeeded with lesser QBs. Again, you’re trying to say that McDermott > Payton, Tomlin, Harbaugh. 😂😂 Give Tomlin Josh Allen and he wins 2. 

That’s very cool that Sean Payton won a Super Bowl when Obama was elected. Unfortunately, it was a long time ago. 

 

It’s great that those coaches have won Superbowls with different teams and for some, decades ago. Nothing they have done since has helped their resumes, only harmed them and shown that they are nothing special. They should’ve retired like Cowher so some loser franchise like the Bears could pretend they could bring them back and save them.

Edited February 14 by FireChans

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Rodgers didn’t have to face either Brady or Mahomes that playoff run. 
 

Rodgers actually never had a playoff run where he wasn’t the CLEAR AND AWAY best QB in his conference. 
 

and he won one SB.

Thats coaching malpractice lol.

 

So like Kirby said it comes down to nitpicking the individual choices on the list.

 

Personally I don't care about that stuff. I just used Aaron Rodgers as an example. The rest of my post is where I get frustrated. There is no excuse for elite QB play in the playoffs having such little relative success. If you want to blame Beane over McDermott or vice versa I don't care how you want to apportion the blame. I just know that the men in charge have not been close to good enough and I'm tired of wasting the best days of Allen's career hoping they figure it out.

[Don Otreply]

Allen is our biggest asset and our biggest problem. 

 

 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Rodgers didn’t have to face either Brady or Mahomes that playoff run. 
 

Rodgers actually never had a playoff run where he wasn’t the CLEAR AND AWAY best QB in his conference. 
 

and he won one SB.

Thats coaching malpractice lol.

That’s very cool that Sean Payton won a Super Bowl when Obama was elected. Unfortunately, it was a long time ago. 

 

It’s great that those coaches have won Superbowls with different teams and for some, decades ago. Nothing they have done since has helped their resumes, only harmed them and shown that they are nothing special. They should’ve retired like Cowher so some loser franchise like the Bears could pretend they could bring them back and save them.

None of them have playoff Josh Allen 😂😂. That’s the part of this equation that you’re missing. He’s been otherworldly. So, so, so many other coaches could have taken those performances further. Those guys have won with talent.

[FireChans]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So like Kirby said it comes down to nitpicking the individual choices on the list.

 

Personally I don't care about that stuff. I just used Aaron Rodgers as an example. The rest of my post is where I get frustrated. There is no excuse for elite QB play in the playoffs having such little relative success. If you want to blame Beane over McDermott or vice versa I don't care how you want to apportion the blame. I just know that the men in charge have not been close to good enough and I'm tired of wasting the best days of Allen's career hoping they figure it out.

He asked me to nitpick the list! 
 

You don’t get to say, “it’s just gonna be nit picking,” then ask me to nitpick, then say “Ha, like I said, it’s nit picking!”

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He asked me to nitpick the list! 
 

You don’t get to say, “it’s just gonna be nit picking,” then ask me to nitpick, then say “Ha, like I said, it’s nit picking!”

 

The point is it's about doing less w more

 

Harbaugh was able to parlay a Joe Flacco run that wasn't half as good as Allen's 2021 performance into a Super Bowl...ours ended in the divisional

 

it's just wasteful

[billsfan714]

The nickname "Bills" is stupid.  If you look at our logo and merchandise i can never remember anything to do with the Bill part other than the word.  Its like we are really the Buffalo Buffaloes.   To feature a buffalo and be named after a guy who killed over 4 thousand of them makes no sense.  We aren't and never have been a western state.   Who ever submitted that name in the contest, I wished they lost.  Nobody outside of your great-grandfather gives one crap about Bill Cody.   Shooting a Buffalo with a rifle is about as challenging as shooting a Fiat in a parking lot.   Never understood why he was famous outside of his western shows.

Edited February 15 by billsfan714

[boyst]

20 hours ago, FireChans said:

I challenge you to name 15 better HC’s.

Spent the day thinking of this...so this continues unposted.

 

Tomlin comes to mind for what he has done. Not as much weighted for what he could do. The same is true for Belichick and Carrol.  That's 3 off the bat

 

McVay, Reid, LeFleuer, Taylor, Campbell. All obvious. That's 8 total.

 

I don't think Saleh is a bad coach. He coaches well in games. Same with Pederson. 

 

I think McDaniels has a better mind but is not a better coach the same way I think Rivera is a good coach and a bad mind.  Those two don't cut it.  

 

We have a bunch of young guns out there that we can't consider worthy yet just like those out of the HC spots. Frazier, Reich, etc.

 

:it's now 10 hours later:

I can't compare what could be to what could be with McDermott. I can't think Sean Peyton or shannahan, or siriani is any better than Mcd.

 

I can name 10 coaches better. 15 is not possible. 

[HomeTeam]

Josh Allen lacks the confidence needed to take his game to the next level. 

 

Reasons:

- Gets flustered in certain moments in games. Has that look on the sidelines. 

- Ugly girlfriends = lacks confidence xD

[section122]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I mean some of this is just crazy 😂😂😂. Payton won a Super Bowl and was THE WORST CALL OF ALL-TIME from a 2nd. Tomlin has 1. Pederson has 1. Stefanski and Bowles have both succeeded with lesser QBs. Again, you’re trying to say that McDermott > Payton, Tomlin, Harbaugh. 😂😂 Give Tomlin Josh Allen and he wins 2. 

 

I don't think it's crazy at all Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in FOREVER.  Including some years with big ben.

 

Harbaugh has had the 1 seed twice and made the championship game once.  He has a bad playoff record with a 2 time league mvp.

 

Payton has 3 straight 7-9 seasons with a top 10 all time qb and won exactly 1 sb with that guy.  Love Josh Allen but he hasn't accomplished what Brees did.  Yet.

 

[boyst]

8 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I don't think it's crazy at all Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in FOREVER.  Including some years with big ben.

 

Harbaugh has had the 1 seed twice and made the championship game once.  He has a bad playoff record with a 2 time league mvp.

 

Payton has 3 straight 7-9 seasons with a top 10 all time qb and won exactly 1 sb with that guy.  Love Josh Allen but he hasn't accomplished what Brees did.  Yet.

 

Am I that wrong to think brees is not inside the top 20? @NoSaint has tried to talk me otherwise for a long time. I just don't see him surviving in the NFL 30 years ago or more when it was much more physical. He would be a step down from Marino or Theisman. 

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

The Bills trade out of the 1st round to get an extra pick in the 3rd round.

Now that’s unpopular!

21 hours ago, FireChans said:

I challenge you to name 15 better HC’s.

Ross Tucker had him at like 24 or something.  And he still defends it. 

[section122]

4 minutes ago, boyst said:

Am I that wrong to think brees is not inside the top 20? @NoSaint has tried to talk me otherwise for a long time. I just don't see him surviving in the NFL 30 years ago or more when it was much more physical. He would be a step down from Marino or Theisman. 

I dont think it matters if he could survive 30 years ago.  I think about how good he was against his peers.  He was right behind manning and brady and those guys 2 of the best I have ever seen.

 

I wont go pre 87 and I was too young but ive got Brady Montana Manning Favre Marino and Mahomes as better than Brees.  I have him and Rodgers about the same probably give the edge to Rodgers.  I cant imagine there are 4 other guys let alone  14 from the older eras (before passing was such a big part of the game) I would take over Brees.  Im interested to hear your list though as I might have forgotten a few guys.

 

I might personally overrate him but he was just so amazingly accurate and productive for such a long time.  Some of his deep balls were like handoffs. 

 

He definitely benefited from the dome and the rule changes I will certainly give you that but I still have him in my top 10.

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, section122 said:

I dont think it matters if he could survive 30 years ago.  I think about how good he was against his peers.  He was right behind manning and brady and those guys 2 of the best I have ever seen.

 

I wont go pre 87 and I was too young but ive got Brady Montana Manning Favre Marino and Mahomes as better than Brees.  I have him and Rodgers about the same probably give the edge to Rodgers.  I cant imagine there are 4 other guys let alone  14 from the older eras (before passing was such a big part of the game) I would take over Brees.  Im interested to hear your list though as I might have forgotten a few guys.

 

I might personally overrate him but he was just so amazingly accurate and productive for such a long time.  Some of his deep balls were like handoffs. 

 

He definitely benefited from the dome and the rule changes I will certainly give you that but I still have him in my top 10.

Listen, I am going to question this but I'm open to it haha...

 

So Brees played in the era of Roethlisberger, Eli, Matt Ryan, Farve, Rodgers, Warner, McNabb, McNair... And he was better than all of them? On merit of statistics I think he beats all of them. I am looking at the bigger picture, I guess.

 

That's a lot of super bowls on the list I gave and very good teams. In a vacuum where we just look at how a QB adds to his team - did he do more than those QB's above?

[NoSaint]

19 minutes ago, boyst said:

Listen, I am going to question this but I'm open to it haha...

 

So Brees played in the era of Roethlisberger, Eli, Matt Ryan, Farve, Rodgers, Warner, McNabb, McNair... And he was better than all of them? On merit of statistics I think he beats all of them. I am looking at the bigger picture, I guess.

 

That's a lot of super bowls on the list I gave and very good teams. In a vacuum where we just look at how a QB adds to his team - did he do more than those QB's above?

arguments can go either way and im not sure it’s easy to parse out the gap between 15 and 25 (just throwing two ballpark numbers) definitively due to things like scheme, supporting talent, playing conditions, longevity etc

 

that said, I’ll comfortably put Brees squarely in that second plateau behind the Mount Rushmore type guys. he didn’t get multiple rings but by god I don’t think I’ve seen a guy have worse playoff luck and I’m a bills fan (Minnesota miracle, rams no call, etc…)

 

I don’t think you can put Matt Ryan in the same tier, and think he was better than Mcnabb, and McNair for instance. Eli has such a challenging legacy. If you are wrestling with Brees vs favre vs Rodgers I think you are squarely in that “is there a real difference between 10 vs 15 vs 20 type of debate though (with the disclaimer that I haven’t put pen to paper on names) 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

arguments can go either way and im not sure it’s easy to parse out the gap between 15 and 25 (just throwing two ballpark numbers) definitively due to things like scheme, supporting talent, playing conditions, longevity etc

 

that said, I’ll comfortably put Brees squarely in that second plateau behind the Mount Rushmore type guys. he didn’t get multiple rings but by god I don’t think I’ve seen a guy have worse playoff luck and I’m a bills fan (Minnesota miracle, rams no call, etc…)

 

I don’t think you can put Matt Ryan in the same tier, and think he was better than Mcnabb, and McNair for instance. Eli has such a challenging legacy. If you are wrestling with Brees vs favre vs Rodgers I think you are squarely in that “is there a real difference between 10 vs 15 vs 20 type of debate though (with the disclaimer that I haven’t put pen to paper on names) 

This is where I struggle. Tarkenton is my go to. I never saw him play beyond highlights and lore. He was a very good QB that made the HOF but I could not consider him better than Favre, Brees, Rodgers, etc because on paper how can I compare someone i never saw in a game 50 years ago to a game I barely remember in the late 80s and Steve Young. 

 

It just opens a can of beans for the whole thing.

 

Brees 100% is among the best 20 QBs in the modern 25 year era. Beyond that it's too much debate and effort to say who is where beyond the Montana, Manning, Brady debate. 

[section122]

31 minutes ago, boyst said:

Listen, I am going to question this but I'm open to it haha...

 

So Brees played in the era of Roethlisberger, Eli, Matt Ryan, Farve, Rodgers, Warner, McNabb, McNair... And he was better than all of them? On merit of statistics I think he beats all of them. I am looking at the bigger picture, I guess.

 

That's a lot of super bowls on the list I gave and very good teams. In a vacuum where we just look at how a QB adds to his team - did he do more than those QB's above?

 

I mentioned Favre and Rodgers as higher than him in the original.

 

Matt Ryan and Mcnabb are multiple tiers below him.  I don't think it is even a discussion. 

 

Warner was good but did not have close to production or longevity of Brees.  McNair again didn't have longevity or production and also didn't have the success of Brees.

 

Eli is definitely not close to Brees for me either.  He had 2 great playoff runs but if his last name isn't Manning his reputation isn't nearly as good.

 

Roethlisberger is admittedly a tougher case and imo the best on your list that I hadn't already included.  I still think Brees was slightly ahead of him like Rodgers is slightly ahead of Brees.

 

Some of Brees' stats are dumb.

 

He is the only qb with multiple 5k seasons and he has 5! Of them.

 

12 straight 4k seasons.  

 

123 300 yard passing games which is 47 more than the next closest guy on your list above.

 

2 most tds of anyone in history at least 150 more than anyone not named Favre or Rodgers (who we both mentioned).

 

Just video game numbers.

7 minutes ago, boyst said:

This is where I struggle. Tarkenton is my go to. I never saw him play beyond highlights and lore. He was a very good QB that made the HOF but I could not consider him better than Favre, Brees, Rodgers, etc because on paper how can I compare someone i never saw in a game 50 years ago to a game I barely remember in the late 80s and Steve Young. 

 

It just opens a can of beans for the whole thing.

 

Brees 100% is among the best 20 QBs in the modern 25 year era. Beyond that it's too much debate and effort to say who is where beyond the Montana, Manning, Brady debate. 

 

Fair enough.  I went back 37 years (as long as ive watched) and I have him at 7th.  Although Young is a guy I had forgotten about. Not sure where I have him.

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I mentioned Favre and Rodgers as higher than him in the original.

 

Matt Ryan and Mcnabb are multiple tiers below him.  I don't think it is even a discussion. 

 

Warner was good but did not have close to production or longevity of Brees.  McNair again didn't have longevity or production and also didn't have the success of Brees.

 

Eli is definitely not close to Brees for me either.  He had 2 great playoff runs but if his last name isn't Manning his reputation isn't nearly as good.

 

Roethlisberger is admittedly a tougher case and imo the best on your list that I hadn't already included.  I still think Brees was slightly ahead of him like Rodgers is slightly ahead of Brees.

 

Some of Brees' stats are dumb.

 

He is the only qb with multiple 5k seasons and he has 5! Of them.

 

12 straight 4k seasons.  

 

123 300 yard passing games which is 47 more than the next closest guy on your list above.

 

2 most tds of anyone in history at least 150 more than anyone not named Favre or Rodgers (who we both mentioned).

 

Just video game numbers.

 

Fair enough.  I went back 37 years (as long as ive watched) and I have him at 7th.  Although Young is a guy I had forgotten about. Not sure where I have him.

Brees has a very pass friendly offense on a team that put almost all of their efforts into offense. Great WRs, good TEs, and useful RBs. That helped a lot.

 

Where is testeverde on your list?