Does this team actually have the guts to move on from Tre White?

[BuffaloBillyG]

20 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I rather have the depth at Corner then to move anyone to safety. Safeties are loaded in free agency and it's a value position just sign 2 new guys for cheap. It's time to find our new dynamic duo at Safety .

I agree safety is loaded in FA, but it appears to be a very top heavy group. Kyle Dugger is my #1 hope in FA, but even he has an expected $16.5M AAV. If he gets that number remains to be seen, but it's very possible the young good safeties out there (including Winfield and Curl) will be out of our price range. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree safety is loaded in FA, but it appears to be a very top heavy group. Kyle Dugger is my #1 hope in FA, but even he has an expected $16.5M AAV. If he gets that number remains to be seen, but it's very possible the young good safeties out there (including Winfield and Curl) will be out of our price range. 

There's also McKinney, Chinn, Whitehead, Stone & Blackmon just to make a few. Those guys will be in our price range

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

There's also McKinney, Chinn, Whitehead, Stone & Blackmon just to make a few. Those guys will be in our price range

Whitehead is a guy I think we should keep an eye on. Beane has a tendency to sign guys that flash against us and he flashed in a big way week 1 last season. Stone is a good one as well and I believe would fit what we do here.

[FilthyBeast]

The White debate is interesting because as many know he was this regimes first draft pick, and of course will always be tied to the infamous trade with KC for Mahomes since we took him in the spot the Chiefs were supposed to draft at.

 

So obviously for McDivisional there is going to be some strong emotion there. But I think at this point everyone would agree that there's zero chance he's coming back here with the current contract as is. I think you have to be realistic about what he can even offer this year coming off another major injury and he wasn't of any use to this team in 2022 when he played and you have to expect similar results at best in 2024.

 

If it was up to me I'd simply realize it's time to move and cut him, but maybe both sides agree to some sort of restructure that saves even more money on the cap and still rewards White to essentially be ultimately be released between now and the starter of the 2024 season.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Tre White of 4 years ago, no. Tre White today, maybe.

 

The Tre White of the first 4 games of 2024 was pretty darn close to being back to the old Tre White, actually.

 

Even 80% of the old Tre White you don't cut.

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I would offer him a paycut if not good bye

 

The paycut is almost inevitable.

 

I very, very highly doubt we cut him.

 

By the way... you guys seem to forget that in the NFL teams can't actually cut players who are recovering from injuries.  In order to cut him, he'd have to pass a physical.  So if people thinking we're doing this to become "CAP compliant," it's not happening before the mid March deadline when the new NFL calendar year starts. And also, if he passes a physical that early... why cut him???  And if he can't pass the physical that early, but does by training camp, you're cutting a healthy player and creating a void you'll have to fill with whatever scraps are leftover from FA or are cut late in TC.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

The paycut is almost inevitable.

 

I very, very highly doubt we cut him.

 

By the way... you guys seem to forget that in the NFL teams can't actually cut players who are recovering from injuries.  In order to cut him, he'd have to pass a physical.  So if people thinking we're doing this to become "CAP compliant," it's not happening before the mid March deadline when the new NFL calendar year starts. And also, if he passes a physical that early... why cut him???  And if he can't pass the physical that early, but does by training camp, you're cutting a healthy player and creating a void you'll have to fill with whatever scraps are leftover from FA or are cut late in TC.

Good points ! 

[somnus00]

16 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Wow, didn’t think you would double down after that first obnoxious post. Interesting strategy. 

If only we could cut or trade some of the fans who post on TSW. I'm all for discussing difficult, team-building decisions in a logical, thoughtful, respectful way. This thread is not that.

[CaptnCoke11]

I can see him retiring 

[HOUSE]

Having guts would mean this might not be a smart move.

Right?

[BuffAlone]

16 hours ago, Jim said:

 

I'm a bitter Bills fan. The world does have a lot of problems, but those are too big. Complaining about how my favorite team is run is easier.

Welp,you certainly changed my view with your unbiased and insightful logic. Thought provoking notion buddy. Is your last name Bradberry by any chance?🤔

[Toyo321]

I wish all GM's wrote this into all contracts in fine print, of every player and FA that signs on a team, the stated verbiage.

 

The NFL Players Lemon Law.

 

If for any reason after you have signed your new contract or extension, and can not play in at least 50% of your scheduled games as a starter in a two season period, in back to back years,  we have the right to terminate any contract that is binding between the player and the team for a single $1.00

 

Thank you for your service

 

Hasta La Vista

[SoonerBillsFan]

41 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

The paycut is almost inevitable.

 

I very, very highly doubt we cut him.

 

By the way... you guys seem to forget that in the NFL teams can't actually cut players who are recovering from injuries.  In order to cut him, he'd have to pass a physical.  So if people thinking we're doing this to become "CAP compliant," it's not happening before the mid March deadline when the new NFL calendar year starts. And also, if he passes a physical that early... why cut him???  And if he can't pass the physical that early, but does by training camp, you're cutting a healthy player and creating a void you'll have to fill with whatever scraps are leftover from FA or are cut late in TC.

I thought if we failed to pay his bonus in March he would become a free agent?

[Chicken Boo]

16 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

There is a decent way to explain why the team would choose to move on from Tre White. A player that has been nothing short of the consummate professional and an outstanding representative of the team. 
 

And then there is the disrespectful, lazy way that you presented it. 

 

However it was presented, op is right.

 

Coming off an ACL and now an achilles, Tre is all but done.  I don't see how you can justify paying him $16 million this season.  

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

There's also McKinney, Chinn, Whitehead, Stone & Blackmon just to make a few. Those guys will be in our price range

 

And most of them should make Free Agency. Dugger, Blackmon and Stone are the three questions for me but I think the rest will.

 

[Dillenger4]

16 hours ago, Jim said:

 

Seriously who gives a *****? Tre White surely don't. He's been paid handsomely to play football. And unfortunately he isn't able to play football when we need him most. Therefore, there's the door Tre. Let's use the money they'd otherwise pay him to find somebody who will be helpful next January. I don't see what him being "an outstanding representative of the team" brings to a team when opposing offenses are gaining almost 10 yards a play on them in the playoffs.

Bingo. Post of the season. FACT. I'm with ya Jimbo.. Tre is useless. Has always been a top NFL wimp. Cut his arse. I'm with you. Bills need to be tough this off-season with some big decisions. Tre being top of list. Douglas came in and showed us how it's done. Now, let's draft a CB stud in round 1 or 2.

People here keep wreaking "we need a received for Joshy boo boo". Our O was NOT the reason we lost. It's our wimpy D. Go get some studs on that side of the ball and hope we stay healthy with Bernard and Milano coming back.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

I wish all GM's wrote this into all contracts in fine print, of every player and FA that signs on a team, the stated verbiage.

 

The NFL Players Lemon Law.

 

If for any reason after you have signed your new contract or extension, and can not play in at least 50% of your scheduled games as a starter in a two season period, in back to back years,  we have the right to terminate any contract that is binding between the player and the team for a single $1.00

 

Thank you for your service

 

Hasta La Vista

 

Most of the time (not quite always but most of the time) a player is cut by a team they never see another penny from that team let alone $1. 

 

The reason teams have dead money is because you have to account for every single penny you pay a player on your cap somewhere and the money that is dead is long since paid - normally in the form of a signing bonus. 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

However it was presented, op is right.

 

Coming off an ACL and now an achilles, Tre is all but done.  I don't see how you can justify paying him $16 million this season.  

Please explain how you know this.  As has been pointed out in this conversation, many people come back from achilles injuries without lingering issues.

[Mango]

16 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Lmao sounds like there’s a reason you’re not the boss

 

OP used a lot of words just to tell us he kicks his dog.  

[Bad Things]

I sure love Tough-Guy talk.

"Guts" 

 

Ha!

 

That said, I don't if the Bills still have "The guts", but they sure did a while back...